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Okay, Mill darl, I get where you're coming from, but if we're going to try and keep telling society that "killing is bad, don't do it" then why is the state allowed to kill someone??
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Quote:I have to comment on this just in case anyone finds it convincing. Locking an innocent person up for 1/3 of their life in a place where they will quite possibly be subject to regular physical/sexual abuse isn't something that can be rectified.
If a mistake is discovered and a ruling over turned 20 years after sentancing you can open a cell door and say "Sorry, you're free to go." If you've killed them, what then?
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Just an afterthought, but state-sanctioned murder has always been the norm, as well as the double standard that results. Governments all-too-often follow the "do as I say, not as I do" philosophy.
Quote:i don't follow this argument at all... In what sense does the presence of killing in the world necessitate the use of the death penalty?
Sure, in a perfect world, killing would just never happen, and very likely, we wouldn't need a death penalty, unfortunately, such a utopian society doesn't exist
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Quote:i don't follow this argument at all... In what sense does the presence of killing in the world necessitate the use of the death penalty?
Sure, in a perfect world, killing would just never happen, and very likely, we wouldn't need a death penalty, unfortunately, such a utopian society doesn't exist
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For the record: For a very long time I was against capital punishment.
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their life has been destroyed almost as effectively as if they had been executed.
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Also your argument is dangerously close to sanctioning euthanasia for the psychologically traumatized, whatever the cause of that trauma.
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If a mistake is discovered and a ruling over turned 20 years after sentancing you can open a cell door and say "Sorry, you're free to go." If you've killed them, what then?
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Not every inmate suffers daily buggery and beatings in jail, in fact it's pretty safe to say that jails these days are quite secure. They're not living a life of leisure in there, but they're certainly not being tortured.
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I just wanted to point out that the suffering caused by long term false imprisonment is no more reversable that that caused by execution.
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Millenium, do you mind if I ask you at what stage you changed your mind on this issue?
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The fact that death row inmates aren't allowed to top themselves points to one thing for me....
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It has always seemed twisted and backwards to me that in order to punish someone for commiting a crime of killing a person, because doing so is wrong, we kill them. Where's the logic in that? It's all very hypocritical.
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Mill ---> Maybe, but it's like Faberge said you don't sexually assault a rapist. If we did to criminals what they did to others, the world would be more disgusting now wouldn't it.
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Sometimes in our desire to feel good about ourselves we put the rights of the offender ahead of the suffering of the victims.
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Capital punishment does not reduce the number of murders because many murders are impulsive
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I don't think any person has the right to take the life of another human being, even if that person did commit murder. Otherwise you are as guilty as the person who killed originally; r u not?
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