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Posted:Hi all!

When I was new to these forums I was trying to learn all these cool new moves that i didn't even know existed(thanks everyone!:D). But, many moves seem to have more than one name & some of the terminology used is completely foreign to the new person...confused I thought it'd be a good idea to compile a list of terms used & what they mean. NOT how to do the move, just what it is. Everyone knows what a weave & butterfly is, but what about a buzzsaw? hyperloop? nexus? hyperlooped butterfly? How do i Invert something??? what's the difference between airwrap and hyperloop? ubbloco



I had some trouble learning all these & would assume other people had trouble too... Here's my list of terms used around the place:



Parallel Time = Spin both poi in the same direction & parallel.

Follow/Alternating Time = (sometimes Split Time) Spin 180 apart, same direction.

Butterfly/Synchronous Time = Spin the poi in opposite directions. they cross at top & bottom.

Split Time = Spin in follow time, but poi go in opposite directions. See Split-Time Butterfly Below.



btb = behind the back

ttn = Thread the needle

btl = between the legs

bth = behind the head

ww = waist wrap

bf = butterfly



wall plane = Face a wall. spin the poi parallel to the flat of the wall(wall plane is a type of outer plane).

Side planes = Spin to your sides - Perpendicular to the wall plane.

Ceiling Plane = Spin parallel to the ceiling - perpendicular to side planes and wall plane.

Outer/Outside Plane = Planes facing away from each other , as in 3 beat weave.

Inner/Inside plane = Spin the poi between one arm and your body or head. - Refers to a body position.

Inverted Plane = Planes facing each other, from the fingertips. Sometimes used to describe spinning between the arms. eg:Buzzsaw.



cross follow = weave = chase & follow

split-time butterfly = Same as butterfly, but poi heads cross at 3 and 9 o'clock instead of 6 & 12.

Wrap = Poi wraps around a body part in some way.

Recoil Wrap = Wraps around a bodypart, stops & unwraps in the opposite direction.

Thru-Wrap = Carry-Over = A wrap that doesnt stop & change the direction of the poi. eg: start to wrap your arm, then pivot your body/arm so the poi unwraps without stopping.



Inside = Sometimes spinning between your arms, or between one arm and your body/head(depending on move). Also, described where your fingers face towards each other, but point in opposite directions(buzzsaw). - your wrists are apart.

outside = Spinning away from the body. eg: hands are between body and the poi. Also, described where your fingers point away from each other(point in same direction)(weave) - your wrists are together.

reverse = Circle your arm in the opposite direction to the rotation of the poi.

Invert = To "Invert" something, you turn it upside down. Or, turn inside out.

pirouette = Turn 360 while doing a move.

Atom = Spinning in different planes. To "Atomise" something.

Throw/Release = Throw the poi.

Reel = Alternate spinning on one side of your body to another. eg:Mexican wave(see HoP lessons). Also used for parallel time wall plane spinning.

Spider = Spin in follow time anywhere(eg: a weave).

Pull through = Pull the poi so it cuts off half a circle.

Stall = Stop the poi from moving.

Carry = When the poi is transitioned over more than one plane in only one beat. for example behind you wall plane on the left side to behind you wall plane on the right side with no beat infront of you, just a carry across. - [Nx?]

crosser = spinning with arms crossed to opposite sides

Orbital/Maxi+/Tangled Buzzsaw = Spin in Inverted plane in follow time between your arms, but the chains are tangled so one is tangling and the other is untangling => seemingly no change while spinning one.



Longarm = Spin the poi at the full extension of your arms - with your shoulder at the centre of rotation..

Flower = Smaller circles in larger circles. eg: Do a giant butterfly & stop your arms at various intervals & spin a smaller circle around your hand. can be done in paralell, follow time, splitime or butterfly. Each small circle looks like a petal of the flower.



Seperation = Spin so your hands aren't next to each other. eg: Flower is a form of seperation: your hands are not next to each other while doing the move.

Extension = Spin a larger circle, or, to 'extend' something eg: an airwrap - hold it for an extra circle(or more).

spiral = Any move where the poi 'spiral' from a larger circle to smaller circle, or, smaller circle to a larger circle. Mostly used for what is also known as handcuff wraps, poi wrap around the hands held together spiraling down to the hands and then tugged to spiral back out again. dosnt necessarily have to be the hands or both hand together, can be done butterfly or weave.



Isolate/Isolation = The centre of the spin is in the middle of the chain(so your hands move in a circle around the centre of the chain, at the same speed as the poi head.)

Powered Isolation = The centre of rotation is closer to the poi head.

Lazy/Half Isolation = The centre of rotation is closer to the handle.

Full Isolation = Like an isolation, but if you have the speed of a mongoose, the poi become the centre of the spin & don't move, while your hands rotate around. Currently, only one spin is possible doing this before it falls apart...



Buzzsaw = Spin in the inverted plane in follow time.

Tangle Buzzsaw = As above, but the chains are tangled - neither winding or unwinding. Can be held as long as the poi have momentum.

buzzsaw butterfly = face 90 degrees to the wall plane. the butterfly spins in the wall plane, but between(Inside) your arms. i.e. one arm on either side of the butterfly.

Butterfly Hyperloop = Do Buzzsaw Butterfly then tangle chains. bring them outside then inside again on other side of body.

Flaming Halo = Do an airwrap/hyperloop/tangle behind(or above *scary* ) your head.

nexus = created when the chains "tangle" eg: in a hyperloop/airwrap.



Construct/Helix = Some utterly Jedi idea that very few people know.

Trinity = A way of spinning moves. eg: Draw a big triangle (with angles of 60) on the ground & stand inside it. Spin in the planes parallel to the sides of the triangle. So, when you do a weave in trinity, if you turn three times in the same direction you end up in the original plane & have turned around once. Go here for a proper decription:

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1




airwraps/Hyperloop = The chains of the poi cross & tangle to form a smaller circle spinning faster than previously. This is about as detailed as possible right now as there are many different opinions on what the difference between these are. Poll coming soon?



notcoleman5 = Haven't found a clear description of this. Like a buzzsaw weave, but different? 5 beat weave with buzzsaw added in the middle?



I am fairly sure all these are correct. If there are any errors please let me know so I can fix it up! It's not in any sort of order... I might have to do that later. Have I missed anything? If there are also other names which mean the same thing, please let me know!



This isn't meant to be an official move list, just a list of terms used to DESCRIBE moves. It's hard to describe moves using text without a video or a person infront of you & hopefully these terms can be understood by everyone to make learning easier!



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Posted:The thread "You can go to the Ball..." lists a whole bunch of the names...
although i dont know the meaning of about a quarter of them!?! confused
I don't have time now, But i'll try to explain some of the simpler ones later.


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Posted:Hey.

Your right its taken me over a year to understand all the different words used here.

Ok a buzzsaw is (real simple) just spin the poi between your arms at split time, sorta like a weave, and it sorta looks like a curcular blade. Now the hard part...

Air wraps and hyperloops are :... well there is a dissagrment by everyone here about the difference. Actually they are the same, or very simila moves where you tangle the chains and let them spin ( like a "buzzsaw" as above) and then untangle your chains. eek

There has been no concensus about the difference, but to me... a hyp is when u tangle your chains and the poi spin like the buzzsaw. An airwrap, as i define it, are almost all other ways of tangling your chains. But dont take what i say as true...hopefull were going to set up poll's and get this sorterd for real. beerchug

Butterfly hyp= tangle your chains and do butterfly. biggrin

Hope that helped a little, and luck learning those loops.

Oh yea a hyp is also called a tangled buzzsaw, a maxi +, and afew other that i forgot ubblol


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Posted:yes, all those names are really puzzling and not being an English mothertongue makes it even more complex umm
but people around here are so nice to explain everything whenever you ask them. Thanx everyone hug

I usually happen to find explanations within the single threads.
found loads of useful articles on www.poiinthepark.net, as well.

Now a brand new doubt: what I knew about Buzzsaw is that it consists in spinning poi between your arms, in front of you, like pushing the pedals of a bicycle, but isolating poi. so, is Buzzsaw isolated or is the isolation just something you can do as a variation of it?

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Posted:Quote:

I usually happen to find explanations within the single threads.




Yeah thats the annoying part - all in separate threads & takes a long time to find what these words mean. Thought i'd attempt to compile a list of the lesser known ones. smile


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Posted:there's another place.. ( I don't know if its cool to refer or not) but it has a compiled list of all the terms.. (not all these) but most every term.. defined clearly.. or at least that's what we are working on...


and as mentioned above the airwap/hyperloops are under debate.. currently I believe they are only similar in that they are tanlges..

airwrap is a static perpetual tanlge.. it stays in this motion that is neither tangling nor untangling.. its just like a tangled buzzsaw.. but you don't know what that is either.. all I can say is in the wall plane have on hand a little further out then the other when you caus the strings to tanlge.. I dunno its hard to describe.. suffice to say that you can do as many beats as you want while holding it.. and it disappear when you move on through..

a hyperloop is an actual tangle... its conical in design as in the shape made by the poi heads from the tanlge out is that of a cone... this also means that the tangle is either winding up, or unwinding depnding on where its at and its direction.. this tanlge involves manipulating the individual poi (i.e. changing which one leads where) in order to carry the tangle to more places.. in other words its a constant manipulating of it to tanlge more here while untangling some there.. until you finally reasch the poit where you want it it end and you just let it unwind completely..

now that being said.. those are just the theory behind those moves.. the acutal moves themselves vary.. there's no base to work from.. just pick one of the two and work with it.. I'd go into more detail, but Im a busy person.. i've done the hardwork..someone can come behind me and clean up the rest wink.. happy spinning..


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Posted:Added my current list of terminology...
I hope this helps some people!

and yes i can do simple buzzsaws & hyperloops so i do know what they are, but when I first explored poi forums i had no idea.
I like your descriptions of Hyperloops & airwraps Rev. Make alot of sense. I think the only airwrap I can currently do is the tangled buzzsaw.
Will have to learn more soon! smile


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Posted:well I think the concensus is that we need two new terms for the two tangle types.. right now we're at tangle a and tangle b.. lol.. talk about more confuddleness for your clarity... but glad I could be of some help..

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Posted:Construct/Helix is not a move, it's an idea.

Carry - example is an arc within a waistwrap (an accurate description of a waist wrap is in the waist wrap clarificaton thread) that goes across the body from one side to the other, missing out the central circle that sits in the first pass across the body.


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Posted:yo,



a few things.....



flowers dont happen in weaves, they either happen wall plane (infront or behind) or in side plane, poi swinging at either side. they can be paralell, follow time, splitime or butterfly.



reverse: diffrent from backwards, reverse is about the movement of the arm relative to the poi, so 'normall' is when the arm makes and arc in the same direction as the poi, like a weave, 'reverse' is when the arm moves in a circle in the opposite direction to the spin of the poi. thease can be seen on meenicks reverse flowers.



reel: you def is right in clubswinging terms, but it has also been used to describe parralel time wall plane spinning.



invert: is another name for buzzsaw, i.e. between the arms wheel plane.



inside: is wall plane, between the arms and the body. ie watermill, wich is a windmill done at the bottom between arms and body.



Cary: when the poi is transitioned over more than one plane in only one beat. for example behind you wall plane on the left side to behind you wall plane on the right side with no beat infront of you, just a carry across.



spiral: mostly used for what is also known as handcuff wraps, poi wrap around the hands held together spiraling down to the hands and then tugged to spiral back out again. dosnt nececarily have to be the hands or both hand together, can be done buttterfly or weave.



the whole hyperloop/airwrap/nexus/thingy debate.



bit of a cross continental devide here, they mean opposite things depending on where you are, this has caused muchos confusion. My own personal take is this, and its based of the phenomenon.



Airwrap: any move where the poi tangle (on either outside plane or inside, but not invert, see above) then both poi move to another plane to untangle. This included wheel plane airwraps (called weave airwraps by some) that go from right outer plane to left outer plane, and wall plane airwraps, with go outside wall plane to inside wall plane. the reason they are all airwraps is that the poi do the same thing in each place.



Orbitals: known as tangle buzzsaw, hyperloops (by dan and dragon), airwraps (but only by rev, see above) and maxi +. Orbitals is the glowstringer term and i like it, less confusing as the poi orbit one another. you can go directly into an orbital or come into it from an airwrap. they happen between the arms but not between the arms and the body (maybe this is where the diffrence between invert (between the arms) and inside (between the arms and the body) comes in.)



this means a slight change now, what used to be called a 4 beat airwrap is infact an airwrap with an orbital. Now a 4 beat airwrap is one that tangles on the ouside plane for 4 beats before transitioning.



family name: Loops or Hyperloops.



Like i said, this is my own take on things but i think the least confusing.



a few other terms not covered.



Buzzsaw/invert weave: you know how in a weave each hand does two circles on the opposite side and one on the same side? well a buzzsaw weave has the circle thats normally on the same side in buzzsaw instead.



5 beat buzzsaw weave: simialr but in 5 beat, bit of a debate as to how many beats inside, not going any further untill i can actually do both veriations.



notcloeman5: simialer but the bussaw beat is the 'open' beat of the 5.



straightjacket: register on t0xic's site and then go to here for the video.



crosser: spinning with arms crossed to opposite sides, check out toxics site for more.



T wave



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Posted:oh,

sorry, it didnt load revs post before, where he said the complete opposite to what i have about airwraps and hyperloops. Nicly illustrating the problem tho.

we kneed a poll, once peaple have had a good look at this we will start one.

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p.s. yes Rossia, isolation buzzsaw is just a vairient. wink kiss


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Posted:yeah another rev rant

why the hell did I catch slack for misuse of inverted and inner.. I realized I goofed it up on spherec in the inverted butterfly part but I went back and corrected it everwhere else.. ie. inverte between arms (regardless of plane) and inner being between arms and body, and outer being between arms and the world.. RAR..

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ok family name.(airwraps, hyperloop, insert whatever name you wish to call them here). I call them tangles (even though they arne't technically both tangles..) and the way I define tangle as per the family is when the center of rotation is moved form the two hands to a single point.. in an airwrap this is the place that exhibits the funky untangling as it tangles effec t.. in a hyperloop its the tangle.. lol.. and in the (insert whatever name you wish to call them) its at that point..


there was something else I was going to put here.. not related to tangles.. but alas... that was 5 minutes ago and this is now.. so I guess its time to stop living in the past and move on.. hehe..


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Posted:Arise sir draghkyre - I now knight you:

the librarian on Poi tongue biggrin



seems like a worthy title, and I'm happy to give it to you, I've done with that job



sorry, i don't have time, or this week inclination to do this properly, hope that the quickly typed mess below makes some sense, bounce back the ones that don't. You can have a vote on the defs of certain moves, but I'd prefer if you didn't take a vote on any of the names I made up, its easier to ask me, and then realise I'm talking rubbish. and take a vote



I'll add something else, there an advantage to ambiguousity and bad definitions and misunderstanging and not having videos, it promotes innovation. Nx and I developed loads good stick stuff a couple of years ago because we couldnt understand each other (NYC- i'm not even going to read your reply to this bit tongue)



carry - what dom said learn a waist wrap and you'll know what it is.



missing:

wheel planes or side planes - self explainitory

ceiling plane - self explainitory

syncronous time = yet another name for butterfly time

alternating time = yet another name for split time or follow time



misleading:

reverse = Spin in the opposite direction than before.

Invert = To "Invert" something, you spin in the opposite direction than before. - no you don't "you turn it upside down" (only for some mores this is

Inverted Plane = wrt above, this is meaningless. although if you want to see an inverted plane watch top gun and "watch the birdy".

if you read more carefully, this was originally a typo by arashi - in the trinity thread http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
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he clarifys further down the thread

Reel = nowdays it can be in any time not just alternating. definition got massively broad. reels in their butterfly versions are usually symmetrical.

Longarm = Spin the poi with the shoulder at the centre of rotation, so arn and poi make a straight line



Flower = Smaller circles in larger circles. Basic Flower: Do a weave with 'longarm's. Stop your arms at various intervals during the weave & each poi does a circle around the hand, then continue on with the weave in longarm. Each small circe looks like a petal. Menik defined this one, so go to him for a full definition. but should add that for fountains great circle is in the same direction as smaller circles and in

a flower the great circle (so is actually a small great circle) is in the opposite direction to the smaller circles. tongue



Trinity = ask arashi to define his terms. (trinty was the last peice in the jigsaw puzzle of the spider)



Isolate/Isolation = The centre of the spin is IN THE VERY MIDDLE of the chain.

Powered isolations = centre or rotation is closer to the poi head

Lazy isolations, half isolations or isolations with bad technique = centre of rotation is close to handle



Full Isolation = your def is misleading what your describing is one of the 2 parents of Isolations it came from and oldskool orange poi london legend called nick, in theory it can only be done well for one beat with poi, (otherwise its a way of making vertical lines, not isolations) although can be done in theory perfectly and slow or fast with club swinging



airwraps = poi chains wrap around each other and smoothly unwrap all in the air. One of the 2 origins of tangles that came from the glowstick crowd



Tangles = the firespinners origin of airwraps.

tangle family=airwrap family=Hyperloop family



Hyperloop = an airwrap with the hands making an isolation (1 beat of) and a carry across to the other side of the body. so odd number of beats in the tangle. but coleman had the sense to simplify it to learn it by taken out the isolation and hence 1 less beat, and FAR FAR easier to learn. HLOOPs wrap in the middle of the chain (rather than near the heads with airwraps,) to give you more time to make the carry or the isolation.

12 and 6 o'clock irrelevant, just an old tool we used to use to teach it



tangle buzzsaw = orbital according to nx above, that make sense, cool name - poi are neither wrapping or unwrapping - can be held in the same place as long as the poi have momentum. i've seen people run these continuous (hi richee) but timing wasn't clean



Notcoleman5- i think is called that cos it was arashi who suggested it- might be worth asking those 2 dudes to clarify



Construct/Helix = smile



Spiral = here you go: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/junkyard/spiral.html
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Posted:yo,

Invert: actually i like having the diffrence, and its not meaningless, specially in the context of tangles, becuase orbatals wont work inside as defined above, they only work inverse. Maybe its a bad name (betweenthearms maybe?) but there is a distinction.

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from 'you can go to the ball....'

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WAIST WRAPS - oldskool clubswinging term, for me the carry defines the wastwrap. lush vaiations btb and butterfly



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carry - what dom said learn a waist wrap and you'll know what it is



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Posted:Thanks, thanks, thanks! hug

Even if I I can't join any of those discussions on tangles at the moment, I feel much more stimulated to try and work on them and other stuff now. At least I know what I'm trying to get and what other people are talking about.

I really think you helped a lot of confused spinners.

Indeed, what may happen is even finding out you can do a trick of which you didn't know the name but you were curious about and feel so happy! biggrin (this happened to me with flowers, if they are in a separated weave...?)

wave to all of you, guys.

kiss to the scoiattolo.
p.s. having a "mostro" watching you spinning and advising and smiling to you is much better, tho ubblove

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Posted:Glass, your definition of hyperloop is clearly wrong and i don't care that you invented the word.



Robert Louis Stevenson invented the locomotive, but if he suddenly turned up now and said i couldn't call a locomotive a "locomotive" unless i isolated it as he intended, then i'd call him a rude name, such as Robert Pooey Stevenson, probably...


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Posted:Continued...

Quote:
reverse = Spin in the opposite direction than before.
Invert = To "Invert" something, you spin in the opposite direction than before. - no you don't "you turn it upside down" (only for some moves this is



So inverted reverse weave is... the weave?

No wonder i was having trouble learning it... confused

Tangled buzzsaw describes both a body position and the tangle of the poi. When you do a wallplane airwrap with some "tangled buzzsaw" beats in the middle, it doesn't look like a buzzsaw at all (even though viewed from wheel plane it'd be inside the arms)
It'd be nice to have a term for a tangle buzzsaw type tangle wherever it's held.
At the moment Rev and i have tentatively named it tangle B. He also calls it an "airwrap" quite confusingly...


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Posted:Quote:
Glass, your definition of hyperloop is clearly wrong and i don't care that you invented the word.

Robert Louis Stevenson invented the locomotive, but if he suddenly turned up now and said i couldn't call a locomotive a "locomotive" unless i isolated it as he intended, then i'd call him a rude name, such as Robert Pooey Stevenson, probably...



Ok that makes NO sense. If Robert Louis Stevenson invented the locomotive and you heard the word "locomotive" but didn't know how it was originally defined and said "I'm going to call anything that flys in the sky a 'locomotive'" then you'd be wrong. Period.

But I'm all bark and no bite so don't take me too seriously.


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Posted:aaaaaaaaaaah, but if Robert Louis Stevenson coined the term locomotive, and included in this definition that to qualify as a locomotive the vehicle in question must also be painted green, but this qualification remained unbeknownst to the general public, AND THEN at a later date Robert Louis Stevenson attempted to correct the definition once the definition that did not include greeness had already passed into the public lexicon without him passing comment then i would be justified in calling him Nob-ert Poo-ey Wee-venson would i not???? ? ? ?



ouch, i think i just overextended my metaphor redface



ps: NYC, don't worry, i never take anyone seriously, particularly when they've just said "period" biggrin peace


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Posted:Are you calling my mom a train?

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Posted:Oi! Did you spill my nomenclature?

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Posted:Quote:
It'd be nice to have a term for a tangle buzzsaw type tangle wherever it's held.
At the moment Rev and i have tentatively named it tangle B. He also calls it an "airwrap" quite confusingly...



thats what i mean by the orbital term, it aplies everywhere, but seing as they only happen between the arms, (weather thoes arms are widly or barly seperated) i dont really matter.

T wave

p.s. spank da monkey, you got your own tangles thread to get irrelevent on, shoo!


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Mr_Jedly
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Posted:Updated again.
Hope i've got them all right this time.
Anyone else know any terms i've missed?


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arashi
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Posted:outside plane=planes facing away from each other , as in 3 beat weave.

inverted plane: planes facing each other, from the fingertips. one kind of move with inverted planes known as buzzsaw. even if fingertips (or source of chain handle) crossed over, as in inverted weaves, and maxi plus, planes still inverted. i'm going by the "turned inside out" definition of inverted



Inner/Inside plane = Spin the poi between one arm and your body or head. this refers to a body position, like wall plane- as most "inside" moves, are in a "planes" definition, simple outside moves. watermill, yes.



So these are wrong as the frist is just wrong and the second infers outside as a body postion term

Quote:
Inside = Spinning between your arms, or between both arms and your body(depending on move).

outside = Spinning away from the body. eg: hands are between body and the poi.



As is this; Quote:
nvert = To "Invert" something, you turn it upside down(for most moves).





Costruct: i've talked about i think, these are conicals and isolated conicals in my words


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Posted:Hey Arashi, yea sry if i did happen to get the def of the Maxi + wrong. Just 1 Q about that, is it in inside the arms, like tangledbuzzsaw? Or is the maxi+ in the front wall plane... pretty sure... its the 1st one (but all this talk of inverted is confused ) I know inverted is not horizontal (like buzzsaw fliped side on huh).

Please feel free to correct me, because you did name it (maxi+).


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Glåss
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Posted:quote me :
"Invert = To "Invert" something, you spin in the opposite direction than before. - no you don't "you turn it upside down" (only for some mores this is "
sorry in the rush to write an epic post, didn't finish this the first bit was partial dictionary def - not about poi.
its an arashi term. what he says.

which reminds me arashi dude: I gotta send you a big PM and some massive **Hugs**. been doing a lot of research on the "teaching moves" epic, and on advanced learning techniques for physical movement.
It boils down to the importance of nailing the basics clean and smooth as . learning technique first and golden paths of progression

spirals = theres at least 5 ways of making spirals, number 1= any wrap. 2-5 = experiment

maxi plus was a joke name for a tangle buzzsaw


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arashi
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Posted:I know inverted is not horizontal (like buzzsaw fliped side on huh).

inverted has nothing to do with spatial or body position (horizontal, between the arms, etc.) which i only describe when necessary. it is purely a planar relativity reference.

because you did name it (maxi+). no i got this from glass, a tampon joke. but i love tampons(although i prefer sea sponges, they don't have that pesky string to get caught in your tongue stud) and it's the only airwrap description on the whole board i ever KNEW which kind it was.

glass: wait til you see what i've been up to! the ultimate poi instruction. half steppers betta recanize. my students are kicking severe a$$ and i can't wait to share my methods! i'll undoubtably have a good reply for you cause i might just fly my ass there so we can do some cool stuff.


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Posted:*waits*

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Dragon7
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Posted:Ok sry Glass, my bad. Least thats cleared up. Woohoo.

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Dom
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Posted:Quote:
i might just fly my ass there so we can do some cool stuff.



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Glåss
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Posted:Hope to see ya again soon dude.
hug


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