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Matthew B-M


Matthew B-M

Lemon-Aware Devilstick-wielding Operative
Location: East London Wilds

Total posts: 605
Posted:This has probably been said before, if so, I apologise.

As some people here know, I like big flames on fire-toys. Big wicks etc, yeah, standard jokes. Not for the first time, last night, I notice people borrowing my wicks (which I don't mind particularly, though it does niggle that they don't always ask first...), but more to the point, not quenching them in the paraffin when they've finished and they're there smoking away.

If they're smoking, then they're being damaged, so the quicker you put it out, the longer the wicks will last. Shouldn't you be treating other people's toys better than you would treat your own? mad

This has happened a couple of times noticeably recently. frown

If I've inadvertently done this to anyone else's wicks, then I'm really really sorry. I do try to quench them.

Sorry for ranting, but I just needed to get that out of my system. smile


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Eera
BRONZE Member since May 2003

old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay

Total posts: 1107
Posted:Do you know if the people who "borrow" them (and there's a better word for taking without asking) are experienced with flame? It's kind of hard to believe that guys who spin fire themselves don't know to do this, either that or they're bloody rude.

There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.

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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:A) Not quenching wicks after spinning has no effect on the wick life. Smoking is not an indication of further wick damage. It is an unproven urban legend spread by weak minded, unscientific firespinners who preach without evidence. tongue

B) Quenching wicks after spinning is annoying because then they have fuel on them when you're trying to take them home.

C) Nobody borrows my wicks without asking.

D) If they're a FIRE SPINNER they should have their own stuff. I hate it when you've got people who show up without fuel or wicks out of pure lazyness... if they're coming from work or didn't know they'd be there when they left the house that's one thing. Fortunately it doesn't happen much here.

E) Learn how to say "No". smile

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mrFlibble
SILVER Member since Mar 2003

Ghostbuster
Location: York, UK

Total posts: 455
Posted:i tend to agree with A)
and B) for that matter
also on C)
and again i'll have to agree with D) and E) biggrin


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vanize
SILVER Member since Aug 2001

vanize

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:I absolutely agree with NYC as well. I don't care for smoking wicks, so I smother mine with a damp towel. What I really hate is fuel fumes from people dunking hot wicks. mad

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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield

Total posts: 3252
Posted:Quote:
A) Not quenching wicks after spinning has no effect on the wick life. Smoking is not an indication of further wick damage. It is an unproven urban legend spread by weak minded, unscientific firespinners who preach without evidence. tongue






The question of whether not dunking wicks after a burn leads to damage was discussed here (a 3 page thread): -

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
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Prior to this thread I believed that it did; after it I was unsure, but have continued to dunk them because it does no harm.

There was talk of doing some experiments to establish the truth scientifically; I'm not aware of anyone having done those experiments and reporting them here.

So, it is true that the effectiveness of dunking hasn't been scientifically established, but it's equally unscientific to claim that dunking is ineffective (unless the experiments have been done and posted, in which case I would be very interested if a link could be posted to them).


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Kaji


Kaji

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Location: Vansterdam

Total posts: 564
Posted:NYC I agree with A,B,C, and E



D on the other hand. First off I find that with fire spinners they're curious about your gear. And around here every one either makes there own gear of they buy it from one of three sources. and one of those sources is me, so I guess I'm used to the test drive.

one the fuel for f*cks sakes man kero is cheep! and we all share like the happy litte hippys we are.



now on wicks this i how it works (scientifically)

a) you can not dunk your wicks and have a very small amount smolder away each time. or

b) you can dunk them every time and have them sit in a heavly liqued which will eventually cause them to break down.



truth: your wicks will not last forever



the only proven way to increase wick life is to glue all the ends/edges down with white or yellow glue

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bluecat


bluecat

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Location: everywhere

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Posted:i disagree with A(tho it's not THAT effective imo anyway)

agree with B

would like to agree with C. but then i'm not nearly as bloodyminded and NewYorkian as you wink(sometimes people just pick them up, then what can you do if you're off playing or sth else wink)

D. nononononononono. people like to try others equipment. what goes around comes around. sometimes you just can't take your toys. sometimes you haven't got any toys(short term travelling or similar...)

E. would that we could.....

but in general its pretty obvious who knows their stuff and who doesn't. and Matthew you just gotta keep a closer eye on your toys if it bugs you that much. cause we can't do to much about it from here.. hug



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Matthew B-M


Matthew B-M

Lemon-Aware Devilstick-wielding Operative
Location: East London Wilds

Total posts: 605
Posted:wrt NYC's A: NYC: I thought you were a chemist tongue smile I have to say I agree with bluecat on this.
B: Yes, but I always have a plastic bag that they're in, and once home I can deal with it. Transporting really hot wicks is actually much more of a pain, in my limited experience
C: Most of the time this is the case, sometimes people do, though. Some of those people are obviously good fire-spinners, some of those leave the wicks smouldering on the ground. And people don't always know who to ask. (No, I don't think this is a good reason either, but...)
D: I've been without fire before (though it's rare that I'm without any toys, but it does (occasionally) happen). Normally I plan if I know I'm going to be spinning with fire. And, partly, I'm always interested to try other people's wicks, and they seem to often be interested in mine. As Kaji-kun said, what goes around comes around. I don't always have spare paraffin, and don't always have the time to go and buy it. I also know that I've left bottles of paraffin on my kitchen table when I've gone out to Clapham, and not realised until I got to Clapham that I didn't actually have paraffin.
E: I wish smile

Thanks for the responses, though. I did wonder if anyone else had really experienced this, but I think E is basically the most important point, isn't it....


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Fire By Riz tm


member
Location: tampa fl usa

Total posts: 212
Posted:Quote:
A) Not quenching wicks after spinning has no effect on the wick life. Smoking is not an indication of further wick damage. It is an unproven urban legend spread by weak minded, unscientific firespinners who preach without evidence. tongue


I guess I am a weak minded, unscientific firespinner ubbloco but I do have evidence
as a manufacturer of fire tools oh and by the way I have several thousand wicks under my belt. I have found people who use kero or paraffin and DO NOT dunk their wicks will experience premature wick failure.Kero and parifaffin burns at such a lower temp it still burns when their are no flames hence the smoke what that does is burn out the non kevlar blends in your wick leaving you with that nasty white piece of burnt kevlar or glass. again leaving you with less material to absorb fuel.causing shorter burn times and smaller flames


I think were the confusion comes in is with people who use colemans or white gas
it wont burn at such a low temp so when the flames go out it doesnt burn the non kevlar blends of the wicking . so they dont need to be dunked.I have wicks that have only seen white gas and have never been dunked in thier life that look better than dunked kero wick half their age.

what is scary though is when the kero people spin with us(we all use colemans).
and they come over and try to dunk thier wicks.so far we have had no one blow them selves up yet.


I think what does the most damage to any wick with any fuel is spinning them until the flame goes out all you are doing is forcing air onto a hot surface. blow on a coal
and watch what happens you will see it gets hotter with more O2 being forced on it.
if your looking to get the max out of your wicks smoother them out when they burn down.then dunk them if your using kero or paraffinn


as for just picking up someones fire tool and using it that is just flat out rude


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BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:at this point Id just like to say a big "THANK YOU" to all the peaple who have lent me thier fire poi over the last 2.5 years, youll be glad to know i now have some of my own!

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bluecat


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just on reflection i am going to change my opinion on A to absolutely wrong. it definitely makes a difference. just needed to think back to the millions of wicks we burn with tepooka....



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