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Login/Join to ParticipatePosted:The Royal College of Physicians and 17 other medical colleges have called for a ban on smoking in public places in the UK today. Do you think it should be banned? I am of the opinion that it should be banned in public places, as i dont think i should have to breath damaging smoke against my will. I dont think we should have an outright ban, just where it impacts on other peoples health. Whatcha think?
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Posted: Written by: Pen Draven
hmmm winds me up really.... why does it seem that all the most vociferous anti smoking parental 'think of the children' type then quite happily go round everywhere in a giant gas guzzling FAR MORE AIR polluting 4x4. I don't drive so why should i passive smoke their exhaust fumes.
and for the record yes i smoke,, but i sure as hell don't pump out as much noxious gas in a year as one of those does in a week.
Just my tuppence worth
Smokers seem to be developing a fixation on 4x4 emmisions.
If you don't like them then I'd suggest getting together with like-minded people and doing something about it- the recent successes with tackling the public smoking problem shows that campaigns can work.
Personally I'd like to see less polluting cars on our roads too, but, given that we both agree their is pollution, I don't see that adding to it with cigarette smoke is the way forward.
Plus of coure, there's much more to the smoking issue than just clean air.
hmmm winds me up really.... why does it seem that all the most vociferous anti smoking parental 'think of the children' type then quite happily go round everywhere in a giant gas guzzling FAR MORE AIR polluting 4x4. I don't drive so why should i passive smoke their exhaust fumes.
and for the record yes i smoke,, but i sure as hell don't pump out as much noxious gas in a year as one of those does in a week.
Just my tuppence worth
Smokers seem to be developing a fixation on 4x4 emmisions.
If you don't like them then I'd suggest getting together with like-minded people and doing something about it- the recent successes with tackling the public smoking problem shows that campaigns can work.
Personally I'd like to see less polluting cars on our roads too, but, given that we both agree their is pollution, I don't see that adding to it with cigarette smoke is the way forward.
Plus of coure, there's much more to the smoking issue than just clean air.
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Posted:lol wouldnt call it a fixation,, they're just the biggest targets heh,, the same could equally be applied to any bike/car/bus/lorry/boat you get the idea 
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Posted:if all smokers would stop all other pollution I'd be willing to discuss the smoking ban, but as it is I'm quite happy with having clear air in pubs in... oh... 6 days 
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Posted:Grrr ya buggers, im gonna miss smokey pubs makes the drinking more enjoyable
Written by: jo_rhymes
But Theo, thats their choice.
If for example you dont smoke and you dont want to inhale someone else's smoke, when you go to a public place, it'd be kinda nice if smoking was prohibited. you see?
There should be specific places to smoke tho, its unfair beyond beleife that smokers cant even light up in private member clubs, yet the house of lords/cpmmons whatever is exzempt from the ban. (hah yeah its true sneaky sods arnt they)
Written by: jo_rhymes
But Theo, thats their choice.
If for example you dont smoke and you dont want to inhale someone else's smoke, when you go to a public place, it'd be kinda nice if smoking was prohibited. you see?
There should be specific places to smoke tho, its unfair beyond beleife that smokers cant even light up in private member clubs, yet the house of lords/cpmmons whatever is exzempt from the ban. (hah yeah its true sneaky sods arnt they)
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Posted:i dont smoke ciggerettes. but i dont really mind people smoking around me, in norwich upstairs in cafe nero is like a room full of smoke, and my friends smoke there n i choose to go with em and i dont think its that bad...
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we're talking tabacco, right?
we're talking tabacco, right?
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Posted:Quality tobacco doesn't smell bad. I like the smell of some shisha and good pipe tobaccos. But then again I like the smell of mature cheeses and other "interesting" flavours. I can't ever imagine myself being a smoker again though.
But one thing has always bothered me about smokers/ing. How people can actually smoke things like malboro and camels is beyond me. Bleh. So a public ban and a pimp slap on horrible smokers is ok. but only because most people don't know anything about smoking tobacco and fudged it up for the rest of the population. In the end we'll have to tell more peope how to live their lives. Again. Because if we don't people will just smoke like 20+ nasty tasting nose stinging stinking up the place taylor cigaretes a day.
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with increasing debates and discussions on the issue, it is becoming clear that the arguments of pro-smokers are inconsistent and confused, whereas the arguments of anti-smokers are valid
I agree. but most of the smokers whose arguments your refering to have no taste. And even I don't understand most of them. And I like smoking(just not their 20 a day nasty marlboro habitual smoking). I just don't do it myself.
And don't even bother 'quiting'. Just skip that part out and go straight to being a non-smoker. See its f*****g simple.
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But one thing has always bothered me about smokers/ing. How people can actually smoke things like malboro and camels is beyond me. Bleh. So a public ban and a pimp slap on horrible smokers is ok. but only because most people don't know anything about smoking tobacco and fudged it up for the rest of the population. In the end we'll have to tell more peope how to live their lives. Again. Because if we don't people will just smoke like 20+ nasty tasting nose stinging stinking up the place taylor cigaretes a day.
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with increasing debates and discussions on the issue, it is becoming clear that the arguments of pro-smokers are inconsistent and confused, whereas the arguments of anti-smokers are valid
I agree. but most of the smokers whose arguments your refering to have no taste. And even I don't understand most of them. And I like smoking(just not their 20 a day nasty marlboro habitual smoking). I just don't do it myself.
And don't even bother 'quiting'. Just skip that part out and go straight to being a non-smoker. See its f*****g simple.
EDITED_BY: Colin J (1142908693)
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Posted:Smoking bans I'll support. Criminalizing tobacco possession I won't.
I'd even go so far as to ban the sale of tobacco, but keep possesion and growing legal.
How many people roll their own? Hardly any. Without handy, pre-rolled cigarettes, I bet the smoking rate would drop 99% in a month and after three months if the whole thing were lifted, many people would stay quit.
Of course, the tobacco companies are far too powerful for something like that.
I'd even go so far as to ban the sale of tobacco, but keep possesion and growing legal.
How many people roll their own? Hardly any. Without handy, pre-rolled cigarettes, I bet the smoking rate would drop 99% in a month and after three months if the whole thing were lifted, many people would stay quit.
Of course, the tobacco companies are far too powerful for something like that.
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Posted: Written by: Pen Draven
hmmm winds me up really.... why does it seem that all the most vociferous anti smoking parental 'think of the children' type then quite happily go round everywhere in a giant gas guzzling FAR MORE AIR polluting 4x4. I don't drive so why should i passive smoke their exhaust fumes.
and for the record yes i smoke,, but i sure as hell don't pump out as much noxious gas in a year as one of those does in a week.
I wonder what the health effects are from pollution. It doesnt get the same media hype as cigarettes. Parents in huge 4x 4s smoking should get double fines
I would like to see government support of biofuel in cars to reduce emission rates sustantially. Instead of taxing the people trying to produce significant amounts of biofuel as happens here now. Make having a diesal far more worth while.
Its crazy how hard here it is to get biodiesal off the ground.
hmmm winds me up really.... why does it seem that all the most vociferous anti smoking parental 'think of the children' type then quite happily go round everywhere in a giant gas guzzling FAR MORE AIR polluting 4x4. I don't drive so why should i passive smoke their exhaust fumes.
and for the record yes i smoke,, but i sure as hell don't pump out as much noxious gas in a year as one of those does in a week.
I wonder what the health effects are from pollution. It doesnt get the same media hype as cigarettes. Parents in huge 4x 4s smoking should get double fines
I would like to see government support of biofuel in cars to reduce emission rates sustantially. Instead of taxing the people trying to produce significant amounts of biofuel as happens here now. Make having a diesal far more worth while.
Its crazy how hard here it is to get biodiesal off the ground.
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Posted:Sweden's planning to rely completely on renewable energy by 2020, and it seems they can make it. They already put biodiesel in "normal" fuel, and they are making more cars that can drive only on it. They're also going back to getting energy from wood chips and what's left over when producing the biodiesel, and since they have such vast forests and lots of water for water energy, too, it might just work
Mmmmmmh, Sweden
Oh, and health effects from pollution are mainly COPD and cardiovascular. One of my supervisors runs a project with inhalation of car fumes and their effects on blood vessels. And apparently a day out in the tube system or on the streets of Glasgow is like a 40-a-day habit!!
Mmmmmmh, Sweden
Oh, and health effects from pollution are mainly COPD and cardiovascular. One of my supervisors runs a project with inhalation of car fumes and their effects on blood vessels. And apparently a day out in the tube system or on the streets of Glasgow is like a 40-a-day habit!!
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Posted:oh, update, just got this in my email account, fresh from the European Respiratory Society:
http://www.ersnet.org/ers/default.aspx?id_fiche=232472&id_langue=3&id_dossier=56222
br>(10 reasons for a smoke-free Europe, and 79 000 people die from passive smoking in Europe every year)
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/press/97873
br>fake cigarette packs given to MPs saying "secondhand smoke kills bar workers"
http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact08.html
br>fact sheet on passive smoking
http://www.ersnet.org/ers/default.aspx?id_fiche=232472&id_langue=3&id_dossier=56222
br>(10 reasons for a smoke-free Europe, and 79 000 people die from passive smoking in Europe every year)
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/press/97873
br>fake cigarette packs given to MPs saying "secondhand smoke kills bar workers"
http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact08.html
br>fact sheet on passive smoking
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Posted:I remember this thread
My mother now smokes less but only due to having had a minor stroke
However in happier news...
Written by: onewheeldave on page 3
Good luck; if you've not read it already I can recommend (from personal experience) getting hold of Allen Carrs 'Easy way to give up smoking'- it's been mentioned in a few threads which I'm sure you can find with a search.
It worked for me Not only have I not smoked for months but I visited a pub at the weekend and remember thinking how I could hardly wait for the public smoking ban 
My mother now smokes less but only due to having had a minor stroke
However in happier news...Written by: onewheeldave on page 3
Good luck; if you've not read it already I can recommend (from personal experience) getting hold of Allen Carrs 'Easy way to give up smoking'- it's been mentioned in a few threads which I'm sure you can find with a search.
It worked for me
Not only have I not smoked for months but I visited a pub at the weekend and remember thinking how I could hardly wait for the public smoking ban "I thought you are man, but
you are nice woman.
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Posted:who was it who said the arguments of smokers are confused..or something? can't remember...anyway, all i have to say is that i am a smoker and i like to smoke in the pub because i'm addicted and i'm lazy, i can't be bothered to go outside where it's cold and could even be raining 
. these are my ONLY reasons...ok maybe there's something about bein able to do what i want, but i can't walk round naked in the pub so why should i be able to smoke right? i want to be able to smoke in the pub, just lke i waould like to be able to everything i want to. if people can't accept they can't do some things they want to then imo they're not really mature enough to be part of society anyway...kids learn quicker!
anyone who tells you different is lying, these are the only excuses imo, and they're blatantly rubbish anyway.
there's a straight answer for you!
. these are my ONLY reasons...ok maybe there's something about bein able to do what i want, but i can't walk round naked in the pub so why should i be able to smoke right? i want to be able to smoke in the pub, just lke i waould like to be able to everything i want to. if people can't accept they can't do some things they want to then imo they're not really mature enough to be part of society anyway...kids learn quicker! anyone who tells you different is lying, these are the only excuses imo, and they're blatantly rubbish anyway.
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Posted: Written by: Birgit
Sweden's planning to rely completely on renewable energy by 2020, and it seems they can make it. They already put biodiesel in "normal" fuel, and they are making more cars that can drive only on it. They're also going back to getting energy from wood chips and what's left over when producing the biodiesel, and since they have such vast forests and lots of water for water energy, too, it might just work
Mmmmmmh, Sweden
Oh, and health effects from pollution are mainly COPD and cardiovascular. One of my supervisors runs a project with inhalation of car fumes and their effects on blood vessels. And apparently a day out in the tube system or on the streets of Glasgow is like a 40-a-day habit!!
Thats unreal. Makes sense.
Australia has such a huge cropping industry we could easily suppoer a biodiesal industry. Save buying all those petrochemicals fuels
Silly things here like a huge windfarm is set up...
But the gas project means that the power is run by gas from 400km away (and the gas is from 1000s km away)
instead of the wind produced power from 20km away.
Why do we get upset about kids..because they dont have a choice to walk away from smokers.
Sweden's planning to rely completely on renewable energy by 2020, and it seems they can make it. They already put biodiesel in "normal" fuel, and they are making more cars that can drive only on it. They're also going back to getting energy from wood chips and what's left over when producing the biodiesel, and since they have such vast forests and lots of water for water energy, too, it might just work
Mmmmmmh, Sweden
Oh, and health effects from pollution are mainly COPD and cardiovascular. One of my supervisors runs a project with inhalation of car fumes and their effects on blood vessels. And apparently a day out in the tube system or on the streets of Glasgow is like a 40-a-day habit!!
Thats unreal. Makes sense.
Australia has such a huge cropping industry we could easily suppoer a biodiesal industry. Save buying all those petrochemicals fuels
Silly things here like a huge windfarm is set up...
But the gas project means that the power is run by gas from 400km away (and the gas is from 1000s km away)
instead of the wind produced power from 20km away.
Why do we get upset about kids..because they dont have a choice to walk away from smokers.
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
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