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Posted:
Well today after months of consideration i have made an appointment with my doctor for wednesday afternoon.
For several months now i have been contemplating reconstructive surgery on my ears, for those people that know me, met me or seen photos, will know i have 44mm flesh tunnels in my ears.
I have spent some time today researching into methods of surgery, and i actually found that i am not alone in the world, i found some one else in the UK still awaiting an appointment with a surgeon and some one in Florida who has just had surgery and both these people have large guage tunnels like myself.
Well i am exremly nervous about what i will look like after surgery and i am hoping that it's not going to take long to get it done with the trusty NHS, or if i should go private, but not having a job right now that isn;t really a possiblitity.
well tommorrow i have another interview for a job, tempory until christmas, so i hope i get it so that i have some money for the time being, i have just been turned down for an other job because of my ears and have been faced with many knockbacks and people that do not take me seriously for who i am and not what i look like. Though the last interview went really well, i am still disheartened as to not accepeted for the job on the basis that i have my ears they way they are.
Over the 7/8 years i have had my ears modded the way they are, and all of the questioning and abusive comments made at me for my choice of doing what i wanted to do to my own body, i am saddened as to have to be in this situation.
It worries me that, now that i have made the first steps which is my own choice and no pressure from any one, how long its going to take, i need a job now, i can no longer support myself the way i have been and i desperatly do not want to have to be on the Dole / job seekers, but i am having no choice but to do so, i have found that since starting my spiritual journey into body modification how society has changed so much as i have grown older and wiser. I have thought many a time on why should i change who i am now, but things come and go, over the past few years i have removed piercings here and there, done this and that, but there comes a point where things have to change, i want to work, i dont want to be claiming benefits, i enjoy working too much, but i also want to be taken seriously and not have to suffer from abuse, people cant be honest thats their problem, which is why i respect the friends that i have and the support they give me on a personal level.
Many people are going to ask me why i did it, but they asked me that before anyway, thats life, its a learning curve, things seem good at the time and were faced with arrogance towards our selves and do not want to conform and do not feel that we have to. But in my eyes society is right in many ways, i have spent many years looking at it from all angles, and i am truly thankful that the firends i have in this world can take me for who i am and what i do and my goals in life.
I am felling very secluded right now, and have many personal issues which i am dealing with, but the sense of what is to come in the future is a step in the right direction for me, not to conform to society just because i cant get a job, but to conform because i can and IT being my decission alone.
well i am going to keep documents on my journey to normalism, but with reliefe that i am not alone in this world, there are others out there that have been faced with the same dilema's society has thrown at them, and the choice personally about what changes can be made to make things better.
I dont think i am truly sad about making this decission, i will probably miss having my tunnels, but at the end of the day, knowing what i know now over these years i wish time could be turned back and i wouldnt have made some of my chocies that i did make.
Thinks i am looking forward too: Eating in a restraunt with out people pointing and looking disgusted as i walk in. Walking down the street in any town or city with out people asking questions all of the time. People taking me serious because i do not stand out in the crowds. I could go on forever, but personally conforming to suit my self and not others is a big step to take.
Well i am looking forward to my appointment on wednesday, but i wish it was this afternoon instead.
Well today after months of consideration i have made an appointment with my doctor for wednesday afternoon.
For several months now i have been contemplating reconstructive surgery on my ears, for those people that know me, met me or seen photos, will know i have 44mm flesh tunnels in my ears.
I have spent some time today researching into methods of surgery, and i actually found that i am not alone in the world, i found some one else in the UK still awaiting an appointment with a surgeon and some one in Florida who has just had surgery and both these people have large guage tunnels like myself.
Well i am exremly nervous about what i will look like after surgery and i am hoping that it's not going to take long to get it done with the trusty NHS, or if i should go private, but not having a job right now that isn;t really a possiblitity.
well tommorrow i have another interview for a job, tempory until christmas, so i hope i get it so that i have some money for the time being, i have just been turned down for an other job because of my ears and have been faced with many knockbacks and people that do not take me seriously for who i am and not what i look like. Though the last interview went really well, i am still disheartened as to not accepeted for the job on the basis that i have my ears they way they are.
Over the 7/8 years i have had my ears modded the way they are, and all of the questioning and abusive comments made at me for my choice of doing what i wanted to do to my own body, i am saddened as to have to be in this situation.
It worries me that, now that i have made the first steps which is my own choice and no pressure from any one, how long its going to take, i need a job now, i can no longer support myself the way i have been and i desperatly do not want to have to be on the Dole / job seekers, but i am having no choice but to do so, i have found that since starting my spiritual journey into body modification how society has changed so much as i have grown older and wiser. I have thought many a time on why should i change who i am now, but things come and go, over the past few years i have removed piercings here and there, done this and that, but there comes a point where things have to change, i want to work, i dont want to be claiming benefits, i enjoy working too much, but i also want to be taken seriously and not have to suffer from abuse, people cant be honest thats their problem, which is why i respect the friends that i have and the support they give me on a personal level.
Many people are going to ask me why i did it, but they asked me that before anyway, thats life, its a learning curve, things seem good at the time and were faced with arrogance towards our selves and do not want to conform and do not feel that we have to. But in my eyes society is right in many ways, i have spent many years looking at it from all angles, and i am truly thankful that the firends i have in this world can take me for who i am and what i do and my goals in life.
I am felling very secluded right now, and have many personal issues which i am dealing with, but the sense of what is to come in the future is a step in the right direction for me, not to conform to society just because i cant get a job, but to conform because i can and IT being my decission alone.
well i am going to keep documents on my journey to normalism, but with reliefe that i am not alone in this world, there are others out there that have been faced with the same dilema's society has thrown at them, and the choice personally about what changes can be made to make things better.
I dont think i am truly sad about making this decission, i will probably miss having my tunnels, but at the end of the day, knowing what i know now over these years i wish time could be turned back and i wouldnt have made some of my chocies that i did make.
Thinks i am looking forward too: Eating in a restraunt with out people pointing and looking disgusted as i walk in. Walking down the street in any town or city with out people asking questions all of the time. People taking me serious because i do not stand out in the crowds. I could go on forever, but personally conforming to suit my self and not others is a big step to take.
Well i am looking forward to my appointment on wednesday, but i wish it was this afternoon instead.
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Intrepid Penguin
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Location: Australia
Posted:
oh PK
I've never met you, but I can remember a long time ago seeing a picture of you, and just loving the way you looked, the confidence which you held yourself with apparent in even just a photo.
I am so saddened that it has to come to this, but I wish you all the best for the operation and recovery, and finding a job afterwards!
I long for the day when everyone can walk down the street without giving or getting a second glance because of their appearance, and the words EQUAL OPPORTUNITY really do mean something.
Best of luck honey! xoxoxoxoxo
oh PK
I've never met you, but I can remember a long time ago seeing a picture of you, and just loving the way you looked, the confidence which you held yourself with apparent in even just a photo.
I am so saddened that it has to come to this, but I wish you all the best for the operation and recovery, and finding a job afterwards!
I long for the day when everyone can walk down the street without giving or getting a second glance because of their appearance, and the words EQUAL OPPORTUNITY really do mean something.
Best of luck honey! xoxoxoxoxo
Currently on the right side up of the world.
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Mumma Hen
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Mumma Hen
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted:
YAY pk congrats on the job...
YAY pk congrats on the job...
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Location: everywhere
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Location: everywhere
Posted:
nice one p.
what gives with the pootah abuse?
hugs
R
nice one p.
what gives with the pootah abuse?
hugs
R
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Take care
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Happy am I for you that it is coming together.
Take care
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HOP Mad Doctor
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Posted:
Ok, so let's play angel's devil's angel's devil's advocate (or something like that...I'm lost.)
The problem with racial discrimination is that race isn't a choice. You don't choose your race. In that case, it isn't just an appearance issue.
In my line of work, we have a dress code. We also have standards of personal grooming. The reason is that as doctors, we are there for our patients, not for us. So we dress and groom so as not to offend, rather than to delight any particular segment of the population. Believe it or not, the vast majority of patients have an expectation of how a doctor is supposed to look and they trust us when we meet those expectations. My outward appearance is an expression of my competence and trustworthiness. While I think some people on this board would think it's really cool to have a doctor with ear tunnels and dreds, the majority of my patients would not trust me. I can't change society so I just have to accept that.
Similarly, choosing not to hire someone because of how they CHOOSE to wear their hair or their ears, for that matter, isn't the same as racial discrimination. On the contrary, it is a decision to set standards based on behavior. When your business depends on not offending your clients, it makes sense to ask that your employees dress so as not to offend, rather than wearing especially distinctive styles.
Having said that, I think it can go too far. I sometimes think that employers try to hire employees who think or live a certain way or that employers try to controll what their employees do in their off-time too much. If you are going to have no customer contact, then who cares what you look like?
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That's true, but, just to play Devil's Advocate to your Devil's Advocacy, the same reasoning could be applied to all types of discrimination.
e.g. in times when racialism was more prevalent, to employ racial minorities could lose a company custom; similarly it could be argued that giving management positions to women in a firm whose workforce consisted of discriminatory males, could adversly affect it's production.
Ok, so let's play angel's devil's angel's devil's advocate (or something like that...I'm lost.)
The problem with racial discrimination is that race isn't a choice. You don't choose your race. In that case, it isn't just an appearance issue.
In my line of work, we have a dress code. We also have standards of personal grooming. The reason is that as doctors, we are there for our patients, not for us. So we dress and groom so as not to offend, rather than to delight any particular segment of the population. Believe it or not, the vast majority of patients have an expectation of how a doctor is supposed to look and they trust us when we meet those expectations. My outward appearance is an expression of my competence and trustworthiness. While I think some people on this board would think it's really cool to have a doctor with ear tunnels and dreds, the majority of my patients would not trust me. I can't change society so I just have to accept that.
Similarly, choosing not to hire someone because of how they CHOOSE to wear their hair or their ears, for that matter, isn't the same as racial discrimination. On the contrary, it is a decision to set standards based on behavior. When your business depends on not offending your clients, it makes sense to ask that your employees dress so as not to offend, rather than wearing especially distinctive styles.
Having said that, I think it can go too far. I sometimes think that employers try to hire employees who think or live a certain way or that employers try to controll what their employees do in their off-time too much. If you are going to have no customer contact, then who cares what you look like?
-Mike
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Posted:
I'm not going to disagree with you that people can't choose their race but can choose to not have body mods.
I just don't think it's that significant.
The examples you gave, such as patients not trusting a dreadlocked doctor remind me of times in England when people wouldn't trust a black doctor, or a woman doctor.
That distrust is real, but that doesn't mean it should be pandered to.
If a dreadlocked doctor is good at his/her job, then mistrust amounts to prejudice and discrimination; even if that doctor does have the option to remove those dreads.
I'm not going to disagree with you that people can't choose their race but can choose to not have body mods.
I just don't think it's that significant.
The examples you gave, such as patients not trusting a dreadlocked doctor remind me of times in England when people wouldn't trust a black doctor, or a woman doctor.
That distrust is real, but that doesn't mean it should be pandered to.
If a dreadlocked doctor is good at his/her job, then mistrust amounts to prejudice and discrimination; even if that doctor does have the option to remove those dreads.
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Posted:
i have to agree with onewheeldave.
i understand that the world isn't perfect and we still judge people on their looks. and at times, in certain situations, i'm willing to conform. most of you know i have tons of piercings, and i often braid in extensions in my hair (synthesized dreadlocks, i'm too finicky to pick a permanent hairstyle.....yes yes, you cut out dreads but then i'd have to deal with short hair for some time). i go into every job interview with all my piercings in, and if i sense it's a problem, then i'll certainly state that i'm willing to remove some of them while on the job (i refuse to take out my earrings just cause it's a pain in the ass...of course now it would probably be the same for my tongue). but i go into the interview with all of them on for a reason, because if they aren't willing to look past my very tasteful piercings and look at my skills as a therapist (or whatever part time job i'm going for) then i don't want to work in that place anyway. but you know what i've noticed happens a lot? most people don't even notice that i have a bunch of piercings because they either (a) blend in well with my overall appearance (i do believe there are some people who look "natural" with piercings and some that do not), or (b) i carry myself with confidence and poise that they see that instead of what i look like.
appearance shouldn't matter, whether it's the color of your skin or how many extra holes you have in your body. i don't think it has anything to do with "professionalism." i think that's something we came up with as another way to weed out the people we're afraid of.
i have to agree with onewheeldave.
i understand that the world isn't perfect and we still judge people on their looks. and at times, in certain situations, i'm willing to conform. most of you know i have tons of piercings, and i often braid in extensions in my hair (synthesized dreadlocks, i'm too finicky to pick a permanent hairstyle.....yes yes, you cut out dreads but then i'd have to deal with short hair for some time). i go into every job interview with all my piercings in, and if i sense it's a problem, then i'll certainly state that i'm willing to remove some of them while on the job (i refuse to take out my earrings just cause it's a pain in the ass...of course now it would probably be the same for my tongue). but i go into the interview with all of them on for a reason, because if they aren't willing to look past my very tasteful piercings and look at my skills as a therapist (or whatever part time job i'm going for) then i don't want to work in that place anyway. but you know what i've noticed happens a lot? most people don't even notice that i have a bunch of piercings because they either (a) blend in well with my overall appearance (i do believe there are some people who look "natural" with piercings and some that do not), or (b) i carry myself with confidence and poise that they see that instead of what i look like.
appearance shouldn't matter, whether it's the color of your skin or how many extra holes you have in your body. i don't think it has anything to do with "professionalism." i think that's something we came up with as another way to weed out the people we're afraid of.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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HOP Mad Doctor
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But on the other hand, is the fact that I look like a Marine that important? I'm still the same fire-spinning, hippie/raver vegetarian, in spite of what I'm wearing. What I am on the inside is what's important. So I don't care how they make me dress and groom because they aren't going to get my spirit.
But on the other hand, is the fact that I look like a Marine that important? I'm still the same fire-spinning, hippie/raver vegetarian, in spite of what I'm wearing. What I am on the inside is what's important. So I don't care how they make me dress and groom because they aren't going to get my spirit.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Posted:
true, but it depends in part in how you look at it. to me, they're judging me based on how i choose to express myself. and at times, they might be stiffling that self-expression. and if that judgment goes as far as to deny me employment then i think it's a problem.
true, but it depends in part in how you look at it. to me, they're judging me based on how i choose to express myself. and at times, they might be stiffling that self-expression. and if that judgment goes as far as to deny me employment then i think it's a problem.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Are we there yet?
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Location: australia
Are we there yet?
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Location: australia
Posted:
it tells me a lot about a potential employer - if that sort of thing is important to them, I'm really not interested in working for them - it goes both ways you know - not just if the employer thinks you'll fit the job - an interview is just as much about me interviewing the potential employer to see if I match their values, ideals and ethics.....
I am a round peg not looking to fit a square hole, but a round one, and the interview process helps facilitate this...
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and if that judgment goes as far as to deny me employment then i think it's a problem.
it tells me a lot about a potential employer - if that sort of thing is important to them, I'm really not interested in working for them - it goes both ways you know - not just if the employer thinks you'll fit the job - an interview is just as much about me interviewing the potential employer to see if I match their values, ideals and ethics.....
I am a round peg not looking to fit a square hole, but a round one, and the interview process helps facilitate this...
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Lambretta Fanatic
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Location: United Kingdom
Lambretta Fanatic
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Location: United Kingdom
Posted:
i agree with what pounce has said and know exactly where he is coming from, thats what i have had to deal with for so long and after 8 years it becomes a big deal.
like i said i am not doing it to conform to society to fit in, i am doing t because i can, i have done my thing now, i have all all of those thoughts and arguments with hundreds of people.
In all society as a whole take people on face value, sucks... what can we do, they have all talked about it before and yet they still do nothing, but as we become the older generation of society we as society will be more leanient and most of all acceptable to people that chose their own way of life wether its mods or mohawks, what ever at the end of the day there are many pros and cons to what is acceptable right now, but its us that change the world, our way of thinking.
i over heard 3 old ladies today at work that gave me the time fo day to ask me about my ears, i chatted for 5 mins to them then had to get on with my job, on walking away i over heard them all saying how lovely i was and that i was so easy to talk to.
if poeple give us the time of day, they become to understand us, but its those that dont that make it so much harder.
i love my life there isnt a whole lot i would want to change about it. I have a loving bride to be, a good familly and extremly good friends on and off line from all walks of life.
well i need to go and get in my bath, my feet are bloody killing me.
be kewl guys this little debate is a real eye opener.
i agree with what pounce has said and know exactly where he is coming from, thats what i have had to deal with for so long and after 8 years it becomes a big deal.
like i said i am not doing it to conform to society to fit in, i am doing t because i can, i have done my thing now, i have all all of those thoughts and arguments with hundreds of people.
In all society as a whole take people on face value, sucks... what can we do, they have all talked about it before and yet they still do nothing, but as we become the older generation of society we as society will be more leanient and most of all acceptable to people that chose their own way of life wether its mods or mohawks, what ever at the end of the day there are many pros and cons to what is acceptable right now, but its us that change the world, our way of thinking.
i over heard 3 old ladies today at work that gave me the time fo day to ask me about my ears, i chatted for 5 mins to them then had to get on with my job, on walking away i over heard them all saying how lovely i was and that i was so easy to talk to.
if poeple give us the time of day, they become to understand us, but its those that dont that make it so much harder.i love my life there isnt a whole lot i would want to change about it. I have a loving bride to be, a good familly and extremly good friends on and off line from all walks of life.
well i need to go and get in my bath, my feet are bloody killing me.
be kewl guys this little debate is a real eye opener.
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Posted:
i'm a she
but i like what you said
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i agree with what pounce has said and know exactly where he is coming from
i'm a she
but i like what you said
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
PK... First of all congrats on getting a job. I always enjoyed working in bars as well. They can be much fun, but tiring as you pointed out.
I think the fact that they hired you regardless is a test of their hiring ethic. They put more emphasis on what you know and what you can do. Some places are breaking out of the "ideals". Here they are slowly. There are MDs that work in the emergency rooms around here that look like they just stepped out of their Tractor Trailer, complete in jeans, button down flannel-ish shirt, salt and pepper pony tail, bushy moustache and cowboy boots. I wouldn't take my son to anyone else ...they are awesome. At the local college where I went just out of high school there were several teachers (especially in the arts departments) that did not fit into stereotypes. It is just going to take a loooong time for the rest of the world to push the boundaries of their comfort zones, and that is really what it is. Much like the acceptence of men wearing earrings...it took a very long time for that, and now I see it in many of the dress suit professions as well as everywhere else.
I think I have not replied to this yet because I really wanted to think about it and respond somewhat thoughtfully, I hope. It sounds to me like this surgery is really not about getting jobs but about you. Many times when we are young we concider our outward appearance a reflection of who we are on the inside. As we evolve and change, some facets of our appearance don't seem to fit anymore. In this respect I think personal comfort zones are challenged. By who we are and what we feel we represent by our presentation to the world not matching, we are suddenly found in an uncomfortable place within ourselves, though many times we don't fully notice it.
People talk. No matter who they are or what they look like, someone doesn't like it. I know a girl who is vehemently biased against military looking people just as much as I know people who are against "alties". The only person you need to listen to is you, and if this recontruction is something you feel you need to do to be comfortable within your own skin, then I commend you for it PK. Being comfortable with yourself, and knowing that what you look like on the inside in no way is representative of your full character is a realization that many never come to in their lifetimes and I commend you for it.
My best wishes for everything to go swiftly and well, and much love go to you my friend!
P~
PK... First of all congrats on getting a job. I always enjoyed working in bars as well. They can be much fun, but tiring as you pointed out.
I think the fact that they hired you regardless is a test of their hiring ethic. They put more emphasis on what you know and what you can do. Some places are breaking out of the "ideals". Here they are slowly. There are MDs that work in the emergency rooms around here that look like they just stepped out of their Tractor Trailer, complete in jeans, button down flannel-ish shirt, salt and pepper pony tail, bushy moustache and cowboy boots. I wouldn't take my son to anyone else ...they are awesome. At the local college where I went just out of high school there were several teachers (especially in the arts departments) that did not fit into stereotypes. It is just going to take a loooong time for the rest of the world to push the boundaries of their comfort zones, and that is really what it is. Much like the acceptence of men wearing earrings...it took a very long time for that, and now I see it in many of the dress suit professions as well as everywhere else.
I think I have not replied to this yet because I really wanted to think about it and respond somewhat thoughtfully, I hope. It sounds to me like this surgery is really not about getting jobs but about you. Many times when we are young we concider our outward appearance a reflection of who we are on the inside. As we evolve and change, some facets of our appearance don't seem to fit anymore. In this respect I think personal comfort zones are challenged. By who we are and what we feel we represent by our presentation to the world not matching, we are suddenly found in an uncomfortable place within ourselves, though many times we don't fully notice it.
People talk. No matter who they are or what they look like, someone doesn't like it. I know a girl who is vehemently biased against military looking people just as much as I know people who are against "alties". The only person you need to listen to is you, and if this recontruction is something you feel you need to do to be comfortable within your own skin, then I commend you for it PK. Being comfortable with yourself, and knowing that what you look like on the inside in no way is representative of your full character is a realization that many never come to in their lifetimes and I commend you for it.
My best wishes for everything to go swiftly and well, and much love go to you my friend!
P~
Pele
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Magical Sock Dancer
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Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Magical Sock Dancer
255 posts
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Posted:
Congrats on the Job PK!
No fire spinning while drunk or around the large amout of alcohol at the bar either.
Congrats on the Job PK!
No fire spinning while drunk or around the large amout of alcohol at the bar either.
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ummmmmmm.............
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Location: Rotherham, UK
ummmmmmm.............
724 posts
Location: Rotherham, UK
Posted:
Well done luv, really chuffed you've got a job. Much love to you and Nat, ill see you soon
Well done luv, really chuffed you've got a job. Much love to you and Nat, ill see you soon
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned
and the last fish has been caught
will we realise that we
cannot eat money.
Cree Indian, 1909
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Posted:
lol i dont touch alcohol, i do have a drink once in a while but i was once an alcoholic
one of my personal problems i have allready reached a goal in sorting out, same goes for drugs, i dont touch them at all for 3 months off of 4 years now, but still looking into that i was the first peorson people would come up to and ask if i had any ketamin or pills for sale in a club and even accused of smoking a spliff at St Pancras station last year in london because i was smoking a rollup 
funny as it sounds but thats one way in my past people have put me into a catagory based upon my appearence even though most of my friends know that i dont drink or take drugs but i love coffee that is my drug. I can have a good time with out drink and drugs but i dont bitch to any one that they shouldnt do it, christ i work in a bar, i used to drink and do drugs but thats my past that was just some thing else that i did and i grew up and sorted my life out through my own choice and for the good of my self, it wasnt all bad at the end of the day, i can live my life now and be pure to my own heart and body and still have fun with what ever i want to do with the rest of my life for the future.
No matter what wee do in life and what life throwsback at us good or bad, we all can learn and benefit from it, my feelings as i write this is not only to be open with my friends and seek advice from them and get their views on such issues but to share for others too the trials and tribulations of society in issues that some times others in the world can look at and see and have all views covered on the subject, as here on hop we are all here from all walks of life from all over the world and here for a reason because this is a community and we have different ideas on society and life in general.
well be kewl guys... i yet again have to be at work in 20 mins, but its fun and i am enojoying being in work again since my accident 14 months ago.
lol i dont touch alcohol, i do have a drink once in a while but i was once an alcoholic
one of my personal problems i have allready reached a goal in sorting out, same goes for drugs, i dont touch them at all for 3 months off of 4 years now, but still looking into that i was the first peorson people would come up to and ask if i had any ketamin or pills for sale in a club and even accused of smoking a spliff at St Pancras station last year in london because i was smoking a rollup funny as it sounds but thats one way in my past people have put me into a catagory based upon my appearence even though most of my friends know that i dont drink or take drugs but i love coffee that is my drug. I can have a good time with out drink and drugs but i dont bitch to any one that they shouldnt do it, christ i work in a bar, i used to drink and do drugs but thats my past that was just some thing else that i did and i grew up and sorted my life out through my own choice and for the good of my self, it wasnt all bad at the end of the day, i can live my life now and be pure to my own heart and body and still have fun with what ever i want to do with the rest of my life for the future.No matter what wee do in life and what life throwsback at us good or bad, we all can learn and benefit from it, my feelings as i write this is not only to be open with my friends and seek advice from them and get their views on such issues but to share for others too the trials and tribulations of society in issues that some times others in the world can look at and see and have all views covered on the subject, as here on hop we are all here from all walks of life from all over the world and here for a reason because this is a community and we have different ideas on society and life in general.
well be kewl guys... i yet again have to be at work in 20 mins, but its fun and i am enojoying being in work again since my accident 14 months ago.
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
If you're going to get away with it, it's going to be in emergency medicine. Only place I've ever seen a white doctor get away with wearing dredlocks.
Although one of my General Surgery attendings had a mullet and rode a Harley. He was a hilarious guy, too. So fun to operate with. He once made up a rap song in the middle of a case about how our valiant resident found and successfully clipped off a particularly tough-to-find artery feeding the gallbladder.
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There are MDs that work in the emergency rooms around here that look like they just stepped out of their Tractor Trailer, complete in jeans, button down flannel-ish shirt, salt and pepper pony tail, bushy moustache and cowboy boots.
If you're going to get away with it, it's going to be in emergency medicine. Only place I've ever seen a white doctor get away with wearing dredlocks.
Although one of my General Surgery attendings had a mullet and rode a Harley. He was a hilarious guy, too. So fun to operate with. He once made up a rap song in the middle of a case about how our valiant resident found and successfully clipped off a particularly tough-to-find artery feeding the gallbladder.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Posted:
well i now have 3 days off work and my ticket booked for london on the 9th december
my consultation is at. 4.30pm at St Johns and Elizabeth on the tuesday, and hopefully on thursday the 11th of december be in theatre for surgery.
So i am kinda nervous now, all things seem to be going ahead as planned and in such little time as well, i think that is why i am feeling more nervous, but the thought of seeing dom and glass and every one else for a night is awsome and should calm me down some what.
So this time in 7 days i will be in the hospital and in 9 days i should be looking socially normal 
ewww.
wow i am in a state of shock.
And finally i get to go to Spitz for the first time ever. yay
well i now have 3 days off work and my ticket booked for london on the 9th december
my consultation is at. 4.30pm at St Johns and Elizabeth on the tuesday, and hopefully on thursday the 11th of december be in theatre for surgery.
So i am kinda nervous now, all things seem to be going ahead as planned and in such little time as well, i think that is why i am feeling more nervous, but the thought of seeing dom and glass and every one else for a night is awsome and should calm me down some what.
So this time in 7 days i will be in the hospital
and in 9 days i should be looking socially normal ewww.wow i am in a state of shock.
And finally i get to go to Spitz for the first time ever. yay
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Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
Wow. Thats not mucking about.
Goodluck.
Wow. Thats not mucking about.
Goodluck.
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
good luck!
Bon Chance!
Viel Gluck!
...and be good to yourself afterwards!
good luck!
Bon Chance!
Viel Gluck!
...and be good to yourself afterwards!
-v-
Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Wow That was fast!
Just remember, you are only as normal as you feel, regardless of how you look!
Take care of yourself afterwards and please don't forget how much we all love you, no matter what you look like.
Oh, and be sure to post a piccy when it is healed! I still can not imagine you with unstretched lobes!
P~
Wow That was fast!
Just remember, you are only as normal as you feel, regardless of how you look!
Take care of yourself afterwards and please don't forget how much we all love you, no matter what you look like.
Oh, and be sure to post a piccy when it is healed! I still can not imagine you with unstretched lobes!
P~
Pele
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"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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HOP Mad Doctor
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
You know what? PK's a very attractive man.
PK without stretched lobes will continue to be an attractive man.
I'm interested to know exactly how the surgeon plans to do the operation, though.
You know what? PK's a very attractive man.
PK without stretched lobes will continue to be an attractive man.
I'm interested to know exactly how the surgeon plans to do the operation, though.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Posted:
cheers guys.
mike i will let you know what happens and how they do it.
i hope they will scalpul it off, scrape out a little from the back of the lobe then fold the skin under and stitch it from the back and hopefully leaving me with a small bit of lobe. seems the only logical way to me as i have 2 tunnels in each lobe, one i took out around 3 or 4 years ago but can still get an 8mm tunnel through it today even with the 44mm tunnels in the other holes.
So i hope they do it that way, they said over the phone that they can stitch it there and then, but how will that work? i will have an enormously big ear lobe with a huge scar accross them.
cheers guys.
mike i will let you know what happens and how they do it.
i hope they will scalpul it off, scrape out a little from the back of the lobe then fold the skin under and stitch it from the back and hopefully leaving me with a small bit of lobe. seems the only logical way to me as i have 2 tunnels in each lobe, one i took out around 3 or 4 years ago but can still get an 8mm tunnel through it today even with the 44mm tunnels in the other holes.
So i hope they do it that way, they said over the phone that they can stitch it there and then, but how will that work? i will have an enormously big ear lobe with a huge scar accross them.
NYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Duct tape.
Duct tape.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu
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Posted:
only in NY do you get cheap'o surgery methods like that
only in NY do you get cheap'o surgery methods like that
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
PK
I'm surprised that they haven't told you in detail about how they're going to do this.
I don't want to be negative, but are you sure they know what they're doing?
Firstly, are they qualified; I'm not particularly knowledgable about this, but I believe that in this country the standards for cosmetic surgeons are nowhere near those required for G.P./other surgeons. There have certainly been a good few cases of negligence.
Secondly, even if they're well up on cosmetic surgury, are they experienced in this particular case i.e. dealing with extremely stretched ear lobes? Ability in face lifts/liposuction/nose jobs doesn't necessarily transfer to stretched lobes, and I imagine that ear lobe reduction is a pretty rare thing- so they may not have done it before.
The medical profession can be fairly arrogant, believing that they are the experts in anything to do with the human body and health; sadly, it is sometimes not the case.
For example, if you wanted your nipple pierced, would you rather have it done by a doctor, with many years of medical training but no knowledge of piercing; or a professional piercer, with very little medical training, but years of experience in placement, piercing hygiene and after treatment?
Years ago, when I was more into body mods, I read of a few people who were both plastic surgeons and body mod enthusiasts. They were doing some of the really extreme stuff such as that guy who had a line of surgical steel spikes implanted down the centre of his head. Wouldn't someone like that have a better idea of how to deal with stretched lobe reversal?
Apologies if you've thought about all of this already; it just seems to me that this has all been a bit sudden and I'd hate it if you were dealt with by a duff surgeon.
I just feel a bit concerned that your last post seemed to be saying that they'd not really explained the procedure they were going to use; i would never let a doctor do anything to me if they didn't explain it properly.
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So i hope they do it that way, they said over the phone that they can stitch it there and then, but how will that work? i will have an enormously big ear lobe with a huge scar accross them.
PK
I'm surprised that they haven't told you in detail about how they're going to do this.
I don't want to be negative, but are you sure they know what they're doing?
Firstly, are they qualified; I'm not particularly knowledgable about this, but I believe that in this country the standards for cosmetic surgeons are nowhere near those required for G.P./other surgeons. There have certainly been a good few cases of negligence.
Secondly, even if they're well up on cosmetic surgury, are they experienced in this particular case i.e. dealing with extremely stretched ear lobes? Ability in face lifts/liposuction/nose jobs doesn't necessarily transfer to stretched lobes, and I imagine that ear lobe reduction is a pretty rare thing- so they may not have done it before.
The medical profession can be fairly arrogant, believing that they are the experts in anything to do with the human body and health; sadly, it is sometimes not the case.
For example, if you wanted your nipple pierced, would you rather have it done by a doctor, with many years of medical training but no knowledge of piercing; or a professional piercer, with very little medical training, but years of experience in placement, piercing hygiene and after treatment?
Years ago, when I was more into body mods, I read of a few people who were both plastic surgeons and body mod enthusiasts. They were doing some of the really extreme stuff such as that guy who had a line of surgical steel spikes implanted down the centre of his head. Wouldn't someone like that have a better idea of how to deal with stretched lobe reversal?
Apologies if you've thought about all of this already; it just seems to me that this has all been a bit sudden and I'd hate it if you were dealt with by a duff surgeon.
I just feel a bit concerned that your last post seemed to be saying that they'd not really explained the procedure they were going to use; i would never let a doctor do anything to me if they didn't explain it properly.
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Posted:
thats why i have a consultation on tuesday with the surgeon, and then if i have to go into theatre they have a slot on thursday.
its hard to describe over the phone my requirements to some one that normally deals with normal cosmetic things.
I am a one off case! I have a copy of the surgeons CV and its at St Johns in london where he works which is a major hospital and it is being treated as an out patients case.
I have been thinking long and hard over it all going over and over but i will see what happens at the consultation.
Fingers crossed its all going to be ok.
thats why i have a consultation on tuesday with the surgeon, and then if i have to go into theatre they have a slot on thursday.
its hard to describe over the phone my requirements to some one that normally deals with normal cosmetic things.
I am a one off case! I have a copy of the surgeons CV and its at St Johns in london where he works which is a major hospital and it is being treated as an out patients case.
I have been thinking long and hard over it all going over and over but i will see what happens at the consultation.
Fingers crossed its all going to be ok.
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Location: Bristol!, United Kingdom
Posted:
Good luck for the consultation today PK. See you later at Spits, and Iets promise each other to chat for longer than 2 minutes this time!!! Looking forward to it babe.
Good luck for the consultation today PK. See you later at Spits, and Iets promise each other to chat for longer than 2 minutes this time!!! Looking forward to it babe.
Live well, love much, laugh often...
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
I don't know how it works in the U.K., but I do know that medical licensing standards are similar enough to the U.S. that physicians practicing in one country can relatively easily move from one to the other.
In the U.S. plastic surgeons must complete general surgery training and then must go on to plastics. It's an incredibly competitive field (because the pay is obnoxiously high) and so only the best of the best get to be plastic surgeons.
Does that make sense?
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Firstly, are they qualified; I'm not particularly knowledgable about this, but I believe that in this country the standards for cosmetic surgeons are nowhere near those required for G.P./other surgeons. There have certainly been a good few cases of negligence.
I don't know how it works in the U.K., but I do know that medical licensing standards are similar enough to the U.S. that physicians practicing in one country can relatively easily move from one to the other.
In the U.S. plastic surgeons must complete general surgery training and then must go on to plastics. It's an incredibly competitive field (because the pay is obnoxiously high) and so only the best of the best get to be plastic surgeons.
Does that make sense?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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