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RavingLunatic
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Posted:Are you against the war in afghanistan, and against war in general?Well, I would like your help. please send an email to agressivepacifist@hotmail.com if you would like to contribute to an antiwar effort.thanks.------------------~whoosh whoosh whoosh~

~whoosh whoosh whoosh~


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Posted:OK..OK.. i justhad to post bc the # of posts on this topic is weell was "420" thought that was kinda cool...speaking of 420...hmmmmwell gotta run i just had an idea...lol...



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Posted:Rozi, that was a great post of yours up above.

wanting to know what people are doing, besides spouting off their minds about this on message boards..

well, there are peace ralleys to go to..

here is something much better than smoking pot to be doing on 420 for you XTRMRAVR..

http://www.a20stopthewar.org/
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and guess what, you can smoke pot there if you want to. now, you are from texas, so i guess washington is a ways away from you.. but i'm sure you can find something if you search a little.

as for me.. i learn all i can, talk to my friends..

i have also made a website dedicated to peace, and i meet with a group once a week to plan peaceful alternatives.

http://www27.brinkster.com/antiwar
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you can read some of mine and my friends opinions there, contribute your own, find useful links, some good quotes, join a contact list of people.

Rozi, and Dom, and others i've forgotten your names, i'd love to have you as contributors to the site.

we are currently helping to organize a march in our town on april 20th.

cmon people everyone needs to do their part, and we can make the world see that this war on terrorism is just as silly as the war on drugs.


~whoosh whoosh whoosh~


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Posted:I am sure that the family members of those who died in the WTC dont see this war as silly. I think it would be wise to show those families some respect. Or else...

"Squish like grape.", Mr. Miyagi


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Posted:Er, Ray, haven't you heard all those who lost family members or partners who spoke out against the war in Afghanistan before and during the action? Because they'd lost somebody they knew what it felt like, and instead of spreading the pain they said 'Nobody should have to suffer like us.' Very brave people.

Anyway, yesterday was the 34th anniversary of the murder of Martin Luther King, one of the most celebrated men in US history and a peacenik.

Peace all.

[ 06 April 2002, 01:57: Message edited by: Dom ]



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Posted:Dom you know what I ment, and I do understand that there are some that do not want others to feel as they do but you know what? I aint one of em. When will my blood lust end? I dunno, but as time goes on the wounds will heal.

Now I dont know if you were just stating facts about Dr. King or if you were hinting something so I will not jump to conclusions and just agree with you on that one.


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Posted:I found something that rather pissed me off. I do not know what I will write but advert your eyes because you might not like it. I will keep the language down to abbreviations for the worst posible scenerios.

This information is comming from...
http://www.a20stopthewar.org/
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These are some of the goals of this group,

Increased funding for non-military-based financial aid for education.

An end to racial profiling and military recruitment targeting youth of color and working class youth.

An end to the degrading and secret imprisonment of immigrants.

An increased funding for non-military based financial aid for education would more than likely mean that they would have to cut funding for people like myself who are DEPENDING on that military money so that we can afford to go to college. The government is the only group out there that gives military members money to go to college, while there are literaly thousands of scholerships that any joe with a C+ can get. So tell me do I no longer have the right to attend college because I am in the military? Or do I just not matter?

I have yet to see one comercial targeting any specific race or color or economical status. I have even worked with a recruiter for a while. He did not target anybody based on anything. Now I do not know about the other branches but in the Marines we dont want just anybody. We want the few the proud. Not any joe can do what we do.

An end to the degrading and secret imprisonment of immigrants.

I agree that nobody should be wrongfully imprisond but then again I do not see where they have proof of anyone imprisond, if you can enlighten me please do.

This group from what I can tell has goals to ruin my way of life. As if to say that I and my fellow military members should be treated like second rate trash. Get rid of our education and only allow the rich white guys in the military. Do alot of military members come from the mid to low class people group? Well yes they do but they arnt targeted. This group makes the military sound like an evil empire. Well I got news for you folks... IT AINT. It is a good life for those who can handle it. I admit that some cant but ya know some cant handle McDonalds!
They are a bunch of anti military hatemongers in my opinion.

[ 06 April 2002, 04:22: Message edited by: Raymund Phule ]


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Posted:Ray, this is mean to say, but you seem to enjoy people treating you like shit so I'll say it anyway.

You need to grow up. Your responses are quite juvenile. You make false comments about hating war and being willing to open your arms to anyone on this board but at the same time you acknowledge your bloodlust and tell people that you hate them. You make comments that lead people to believe that you think you are better because you are in the military yet you also want people to pity you because you've had a rough life. Lots of people have rough lives, I'm sure many on this board (including myself) have had horrible things happen to us, we just don't use them as arguments in a discussion.

If the government gave college funding to, say, AmeriCorps members or other non-military service opportunities you wouldn't have to join the military to go through college. Yes, that's right: poor, skater-punks that have suffered from drug problems and other things would be able to go to college even if they didn't join the military. I got a 3.9 gpa in high school (ooh, look at me brag) and didn't receive scholarships for school from private sources, universities, or grants from the government. (That's me asking for your pity, if you didn't notice)

I would have been more than happy to enlist in AmeriCorps or something similar but I could not afford to take that much time off to do something I would have enjoyed greatly. Interesting, isn't it, how many of the same politicians demanding increased funding for the military resist funding AmeriCorps?

I'm somewhat embarassed that I wrote this, but figured Ray would get a kick out of it anyway.


-WrenAnd that, my friends, is condensed evil.


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Posted:I still believe that war is terrible, but nessecary. What other options are there? You think terrorists are just going to say that theyre sorry for blowing up buildings? These people are beyond negotiations. Anyone who is against the war, what do you propose that we do? Maybe im missing something, but war is the only option. And i dont feel sorry for our country killing people. These people are people who want to kill us.Very few innocent people are killed.


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Posted:Being willing and hateing are two different things. I wish that there could be tones of speech on here but my blood lust comment was sarcastic. My life wasnt that hard but we shure as hell didnt have the money to put my sister and I through college. I chose my route and you chose yours. I also did better than you in highschool and did apply for many many scholerships and only got the one that the state gives every graduate so go figure that one.

And if you were refering that I had a drug problem well your quite mistaken, alchol yes drug I am very very anti drug. I do not recall bragging about any gpa so you just keep on keepin on.

Honestly I have never herd of the Americorps what is it?

Well just for your info Wren I did not get a kick out of and I do not pitty you. Do you want a fucking cookie or something?

Utilitydeamon, you are mistaken my friend, you see alot of innocent people get killed. Not all Muslims, Arabians whatever you wanna call them, hate us. Some do you are quite right by that, there is no such thing as all. I have yet to see a case in which all or 100% could be used in discribing specific traits in humans.

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I did some research on the Americorps it seems that they do give out money for college, weather or not the government gives them the money or not I do know. But here is your proof.

Money for college -- After you successfully complete a year of AmeriCorps service, you will be eligible for an education award of $4,725. (If you serve part-time, you'll be eligible for a portion of that amount).

Or how about a Living allowance...

Living allowance -- If you serve full-time, you'll receive a modest living allowance. You won't get rich from it, but other AmeriCorps members have found that it covers their basic expenses.

Hell sounds like a good deal to me here is some more info it has all the benifits of the military with out all the military training.

Help with student loans -- If you already have student loans, you can use your education award to help pay them off. And while you're an AmeriCorps member, you may be eligible for deferment and forbearance on your student loans. Your lender can tell you for sure. If you're eligible, AmeriCorps will pay for the interest that is accrued on student loans for members who complete their service.

You'll also receive health insurance, may qualify for child care assistance, and may get your relocation expenses covered (depending on your specific program).

In addition, you'll get a super career experience and job satisfaction. AmeriCorps members frequently talk about the difference the experience has made in their careers -- from technical job skills to experience as a manager, team member, coordinator, facilitator, and developer. AmeriCorps members get things done, and that kind of results-oriented experience pays off when you're finished with your service and considering your next steps, whether in education or employment.

So what exactly Wren are you complaining about? That is one heck of a deal, why dont you sign up with them if you havnt already. I honestly think that a corperation like Americorps is an outstanding thing.

[ 06 April 2002, 06:38: Message edited by: Raymund Phule ]


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Wren
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Posted:Damn, guess I should've looked up AmeriCorps again. Got me there Ray Last time I looked at it (2 years or so) I seem to recall the volunteers getting a yearly stipend of around $1.5k Either way, if all you're looking for is money for college, it's a lot better deal to go with the armed forces.

quote:And if you were refering that I had a drug problem well your quite mistaken, alchol yes drug I am very very anti drug. I do not recall bragging about any gpa so you just keep on keepin on.

Honestly I have never herd of the Americorps what is it?

Well just for your info Wren I did not get a kick out of and I do not pitty you. Do you want a fucking cookie or something? First of all, alcohol is a drug, and that was what I was referring to.

When I mentioned bragging about my gpa and making a comment that may elicit pity, I was mocking myself. (I was saying that you make comments about how your military experience makes you better and you also seem to make comments about how you've had a rough life.)

You've also commented about how you like it when people flame you. Therefore, I'd assume you would get a kick out of reading this post as well.

Yes, I would like a cookie. Perhaps one of the girl scout friendship cookies? They're delicious.

Also, if you were valedictorian (I'm assuming that's the award you were talking about) of your class and you didn't receive any scholarships, why did you say that (paraphrase) "there are thousands of scholarships for any joe with a C+ average" Please correct me if I left out a major part of that quote.

Interesting, a girl wearing an AmeriCorps shirt just came up to my window. We were talking and she said that the education award is nice (you get it based upon how many hours you work for them), but you only get paid minimum wage (at least for what she's doing), which is very difficult to live off of if you aren't getting any other help.

So, yeah, I guess my argument about the AmeriCorps is pretty much a non-issue now (even though you do get reimbursed better from the armed forces--or at least that's what the annoying brochures they send me say), and I'm glad you brought it to my attention (and yours). I probably will sign up for them when I'm 23 (end of health insurance) if King George II doesn't turn it into a domestic intelligence agency.

I still think my other points are valid, but its really useless to argue about them anyway, so I regret making the first post. Adios.


-WrenAnd that, my friends, is condensed evil.


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Posted:Well, I really must congratulate you Wren on coming across as a completely obnoxious twat. Well done.

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Posted:C@ntus, Wrens comments were kinda worented. I have stuck my foot in my mouth and maybe he was just tired of my crap. I cant blame him though I do not like what he said, I give him credit for having the balls to say what alot of people have only thought.

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Posted:Dom i just get sick of people trying to impose there style of disscussion on other people as kate was doing to poor little ray. it stripes the conversation down to the point where only some wise arse university student doing honnors can get a word in.

and like raving lunartic she had been building up steam for ages before she came out and said 'ray you piss me off' i have personally meet a few people like that and they just fuck me off. all self rightous and so open minded bla bla bla and they're really just hinding behind a degree or what ever it is they hold so dear, example saving the enviroment or what cause they choose to go in for. its there whole life and consqently they're the most narrow minded fuckers about.

kate sorry if i have misrepresented your case.

[ 06 April 2002, 16:54: Message edited by: itsgottab ]



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Posted:Itsgottab, man I dont understand you. One day you blast me the next defend me! I apriciate it but let the people post what they want and how they want. They have every right to say what they want. People get tired of my crap just as I get tired of theirs, just because I am only a high school edgumacated man doesnt mean that I cant share my opinion and it doesnt mean that because they have more schooling than I that they can dictate how my arguments are formed.

I do apreciate you sticking up for me man. Thx


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Itsgottab
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Posted:ray i'm not sticking up for you. i'm just saying that some people only want to talk under certain rules and they're there to help them. its like if your playing basket ball and your 10 feet tall, it would be to your advantage if the ring was 15 feet high. the same thing applys with certain people. they're judgemental as fuck, and it fucks me off.




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Posted:Aight man, cool whatever. No judgement.

Naw any how, Raymund Phule is back on the market ladies!!! So if any of you ladies out there are interested in a selfendulgent, loudmouth, ill tempered, egotistical prick... call Dom
But if you live in So Cal and really have no standerds gimme a call!!

Sorry Dom couldnt resist

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Posted:BUMP

Damn you people the role call is catching up!!!

Bitch moan do something!!! Complain about why one sock always wheres out instead of both!!


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Posted:ray would you ever consider being a suicide bomber? some think its a little crazy to fight like that. but it seems pretty honest to me. and your a pretty honest sort of a guy. so whats the chances.


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Posted:Wow, I rarely find anybody as blunt as myself. I am shocked but none the less. Hell no I wouldnt. It is one thing to charge a hill where the odds are against you surviving, atleast in that situation you can beat the odds, but a suicide bomber you have 0 chance of surviving so no. Plus where is the honor in dieing like that. I find suicide a cowerds death. I don't care what the situation is. It is one thing to thow yourself on a grande to protect your men but it is a completly different thing to strap some explosives to your chest and use yourself as a bomb just to kill a few people.

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Posted:Lets Hope this BUMPS to page 12!!

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Sweet I cheeted my way to page 12!!

[ 12 April 2002, 02:26: Message edited by: Raymund Phule ]


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Posted:Hey hey. Seems like everyone's going a little crazy in here. Think I might manage to offend everyone in here with this : why are there so many people in here who say 'Yep, I'm really open-minded' but then as soon as someone comes out with even a slightly contradictory opinion they get all 'Ooh, you're such a single minded foo. I pity the single minded foo etc et-bloody-c'. If you're going to even get into this kind of argument there's no point getting offended when the other person turns out to disagree with you about important stuff. If you're going to start complaining at the first sign of disagreement then at least don't pretend to listen. It's bloody reverse fascist hippyism, or something.
"We will not tolerate intolerence" (c)President Bush 2002. He probly didn't say that exactly, but it's the kind of thing he says all the time.
Anyway. Ray, you don't see life as a series of power struggles? Why are you in the army? Surely war is one big fat momma power struggle made up of lots of little baby power struggles? Also, the way I see it, the only people who have the ambition to get to positions of power are those who see the whole damn thing as a power struggle. They MAKE it about power, because that's what they think is important, and they say what's what. It's all very well being a Tibetan monk and having no possessions, but they're not exactly running in the local elections, are they? Society, power and war are all connected, and at the minute they're all running round in vicious little circles because people like Blair and Bush never do anything unless it's for their own benefit. It takes one person to get pissed off for all the wrong reasons and crash a plane into some buildings and then the whole thing kicks off again, but worse because now everyone has something to prove. Whether it's that you're coming back stronger than before and your steel industry is still alive or that you're not a part of the 'axis of EVIL, EVIIIILLLL' or that you loved the Queen Mum more than your neighbour or that it's the council's fault you broke your leg on a dog or that war's wrong because... er, just because, goddamnit!
Ahem. <gathers breath and rearranges clothing> So yeah, that gets me a bit angry. So be whatever you want. Be open-minded, or don't. Be a marine, or be a hippy. Spin poi or sit on your ass getting caned. Just be honest. Jesus, now I sound like a fncking Nike advert.
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This whole post (c) Hypocritical Cynics Inc. Sweet.

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Posted:Hooray, page twelve!

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Posted:Wow PHL9te you are pissed off!! War is a power struggle life isnt. Thats my opinion, you dont have to agree with it you just have to accept that its mine and I will keep it untill I change my mind! You said it quote: They MAKE it about power, because that's what they think is important .

I don't see life that way and I never will. Life is an internal struggle. You cant go on in life letting everyone push you around but you dont have to fight em. There are other ways in life and it is up to you to find yours.

Alot of people blow what Bush says way out of preportion... ohh the axis of evil. Its a friggin catch phrase made for the media, if thats all you have to dwell on then you deserve to duped by the lepricauns and Ompa Loompas!!

Ohh and you dont have to go around Copywriting everything, if something is posted on the intenet, it is automatically copywrited.


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Posted:BUMP

Remember this post?? Wow what a topic this was hehe

A big headache to us all and I must say rather embarising now that I look back on it. Did I start off on this forum on the wrong foot or what? Once again I apologyse for any past misconceptions I have had with anyone.

Dom I still love to argue with you and would love to debate life and its querks in person some day.

You know I kinda miss the old debates and shouting matches, hehe


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Posted:Yeah, i remember it.

and i still think it is time to get the fuck out of afghanistan. it's been more than 10 months now, thousands of people have died.

osama and his right hand have still not been found.

when will enough be enough?



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Posted:*shrugs*

I aint got the answers for you, but I do know that Iraq is next. Call that inside info, hehe (not that its all that inside)


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Posted:Hey, perfect timing, arriving back for this one!!!

Thanks for bumping with exquisite timing, raymondo-sweety!!!

Well, back to the fray. The Iraq question raises what we were talking about earlier on this thread in terms of the effectiveness of the economic sanctions against Iraq. Will military action be effective? And what will be its effect?


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Posted:Rozi, welcome back, now lets keep it a clean fight no hitting below the belt. Now shake hands and lets go back to our corners.

I know you will all hate me for this but I see Saddam as a dangerus threat not only to the world but to his own people. He has in the past tested chemical weapons on his own people!! Man nobody deserves that. He needs to be stopped before he does something drastic.


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Posted:Promise to play nice - ish...

Please excuse me because my thoughts are not totally collected tonight. However I was just wondering about how we discuss making war upon Saddam, and even upon Osama, using the single person as a representative of the whole race. And yet, these actions will most likely affect the wider community more than it will these individuals. no matter what their guilt or innocence.

Is it simply because it is easier for us to think in terms of one definite villain, rather than an entire race of people?


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Posted:Interestingly one of the most probable outcomes of over throwing Saddam is that an undemocratic, Islamic based government will replace him. This will give more power to the Islamic fanatics, help establish a unified Islamic middle east and reduce the US' power in the region. And increased risk of oil crisis.


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