A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.
- W B Yeats
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
quote:Gulf War Facts
17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the
western
forces during the Gulf War ?
A: 0
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
No one knows me like I do.
quote:Ahem...Excuse me for getting alil pissed about that one, but NEVER, NEVER have I heard of such a horrible thing happening!I had an uncle who ran tanks in the Gulf War.I could never in my wildest imagination EVER seeing him or ANYBODY else for that matter committing such an awful and ugly act against ANY human being from ANY country!
18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S.
tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?
A: 6,000
RISK: Do not follow the common path; Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
quote:hmm. i know the US has started/been involved in alot of other wars. ie vietnam. did they Economicallly gain from it? i thought wars were pretty darn expensive myself but this could be right. anyone got any ideas or facts? ie possible economic gains from vietnam, or any other of the us wars? could be stupid an obvious but i dont know. i didnt think vietnam had much oil (!?)
no other modern developed nation has caused so much damage for the sake of its own short term economic well being
Never doubt that a small group of crusties, activists, and politicos can change the world... in fact, it's the only thing that ever does ;-)
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. Doesn't mean it's not damn effective sometimes.
quote:Mensa.... wow, so you sit around and play logic games. IQ of 158, damn it's almost like you pulled out the ruler and said "oh yeah, Edro, my d--k's THIS big!" Plus, your ability to play brain teasers really has zero bearing on whether or not you understand the world
Originally posted by Salinger:
DaiTenshi: Your aggressive "hit now think later" attitude is a mirror to the mentality which has got your country in so much conflict in the past. I did not mean to take things on a personal level, but if you must do so be aware of two things. One, the US were responsible for more British deaths than the Iraqi's in the first gluf war, by a long margin and indeed I knew one of those lost in that conflict. Secondly, I do not appreciate your threatening words, if you have serious issues with me private message me and we can discuss it diplomatically. To tell me that if I said these words to you would result in me getting hurt though is ridiculous, although I have studied karate for over 15 years and I am very competently trained, I would never resport to violence as words can always resolve matters more effectively. But remember this, not all us 'hippies' will be knocked over by a flower. Karate is about discipline and self control and most importantly self defense, something you and your government should exercise more often.
Actually I did think first, Salinger. Careful, deep, and thorough consideration went into my decision to tell you that, as Ender said, "them's fight'n words". As for your 15 years of karate, go watch the first few UFCs and see how afraid an MMA competitor is of karate, pay close attention though, they're damn short fights ^_^.
As for "not meaning to take things on a personal level".... well that's what happens when you present such a lie as the truth. The fact that two people agreed with you right off the bat did nothing to sate my anger. Sticks and stones and all.....
As you posted these "facts" publicly this became a public issue. That people agreed to a post that basically says my father and Mistress Aurora's uncle are both mass murders makes it a public insult. Whether you meant it or not, that's what happened. Yell "c--t rag, c-m guzzling whore" into a women's lib meeting and- whether you meant it or not- you're going to insult someone and they are not going to care in the least whether you meant it or not, especially if some wise guy pipes up with "yeah man, you kick ass!" Private messages are also much less entertaining.
Finally, in regards to my government having a "shoot first" attitude or not exercising enough restraint, we waited this long, if we had no restraint this war would've gone down.... hmmm, let's see- well over a year ago. I am not defending this amdinistration, I feel they have made many diplomatic mistakes, but finally getting rid of Hussein is not one of them. Leaving a dictator in power- a man who murders his citizens freely and openly- for the sake of maintaining the status quo (aka, protestors' version of peace) is no international justice; last I checked, the UN was supposed to uphold that (I rather wish they would).
BTW, Hussein was having a great time giving "international law" the run around; without the threat of punishment, the law is next to nothing. No point saying "don't do this" if you don't bother doing something about it after they've spat on your law. Unfortunately, to get to this guy we have to go through an army that has gone out of its way to surround its installations and facilities with civilians. I grew up on army bases, really not that hard to keep civies far from the bombable stuff..... and yet somehow Iraqi city planners just don't understand that if you put a school next to a armory.... something bad will happen during a war.
Some less than historically aware folks have gone out of their way to say "but you gave it to them in the first place" (hey look! it's even up there), that we did, but at the time Iran was a big old cesspool of terrorism and Saddam didn't necessarily seem like the greater of two evils. Plus there was that whole USSR thing that everyone was worried about (BTW Communism only works on a small community level , if even that). Point is, different world, everything has consequences, this is one of them.... all the more reason for us to fix the problem.
Anywho, onto some stuff you said that was WAY more fun ^___^
edro: I certainly pity you, your perspective of the World is saddening indeed, and if you believe that confict, murder, torture come hand in hand with humanity you are very mistaken. Your ideolody is descendent to the kind of people who have enacted hideous autrocities all over the World, and if that is going to be your contribution then I am sickened and saddened for the future. And for the record, I do smoke pot and wear sandals, but I'm also a member of mensa with an IQ of 158...don't be so quick to judge people, it's that steroetyping which reinforces your own ignorance.
No one knows me like I do.
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.
- W B Yeats
A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
quote:When and what did Saudi Arabia do to us, Kyri? I don't think I'm that out of the loop... hehe
if ur gonna use that arguement, how about saudia arabia? at least they did something to us
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...
we eat and we drink and we smoke and we try!
quote:Kyrian dear,this is probably true, but this kind of stuff happens in many countries.Civilians get caught up in the war and get killed...This is an unfortunate thing, but it does happen.It's kinda hard not to have civilian casualties in a war.The part of the peace protestor getting run over by a tank in Israel I've not heard about.So I can't really comment on that.Yes stuff like this may happen and not be reported but that's war.I still can't believe that our troops would purposely run over a civilian with anything.I don't remember hearing anything like that in Vietnam from my dad.
And, ah, mistress aurora? things like this happen all through human history. mebbe it didn't happen in iraq... even it's somewhat unlikley, given the amount of modern day media coverage. but there's a lot of wars and a lot of coutries where worse things happen. I mean... a peace protester in Israel got run over by a tank. Think about China in 1989. I havn't gone back very far yet, and these are civilians, and these things made the news... there's plenty of things that don't.
RISK: Do not follow the common path; Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
Capitalism Kills - Kill Capitalism
quote:Clarify that statement, and include references.
why are the Pakistani military dictator, the Saudi Arabian royal family, the Kuwaiti royal family etc not only not threatened by the US but supported and given military aid
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
quote:What you don't know,now you know.
Originally posted by Mistress Aurora:
The part of the peace protestor getting run over by a tank in Israel I've not heard about.So I can't really comment on that.
quote:After making that statement Dai Tenshi told me of something similar happening in Vietnam.I would like to appologize for making that statement and not knowing all the facts regarding it.I wasn't lying about the part of not hearing it from my dad tho, because my dad tends to not tell us everything that happened because it tends to bring bad memories and he didn't agree with that war.As I do not agree with the reasons behind the Vietnam war.
I still can't believe that our troops would purposely run over a civilian with anything.I don't remember hearing anything like that in Vietnam from my dad.
RISK: Do not follow the common path; Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
quote:I know this is a little late forthcoming and DaiTenshi and Mistress Aurora aren't around much anymore but the other day a guy I work with, who happens to be an ex-U.S. Marine, actually said that there is some truth to this claim.
Originally posted by Salinger:
18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S.
tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?
A: 6,000