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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

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Posted:for future reference:



if you spin one poi, it goes round in a circle. this circle is 'flat'.

by that i mean that you could imagine a pane of glass going through the circle from top to bottom (and through your hand).

this imaginary pane of glass represents the planes we all talk aboot.



with your poi spinning vertically, if your planes are neat they (or if you prefer, this pane of glass) will meet the floor at 90deg.



spinning vertically there are two standard sets of planes:



the wallplane - which is spinning in front and behind you (like the mexican wave on the hop poi lessons).

face a wall - that's the wallplane.

or as someone told me once "the wallplane. its the one you juggle in, innit."



the wheel plane (not a standard name as far as i know but a damn good one i reckon hug eva hug ) - which is the standard orientation for weaves.

poi spin at your sides - think sitting in a car with the wheels at you side.





you are the -0- in the pictures below.

looking from above, the o is your head and the dashes are your shoulders.

this is purely to show which direction you are facing in relative to the planes of the toys (up or down, left or right).



the lines show the planes that you are spinning your toys in.



Code: WALLPLANE:



_________









-0-



_________









Code: WHEEL PLANE:







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| -0- |

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the third standard set of planes is the horizontal.

i tend to use ceiling plane or floor plane depending if i am feeling high or low that day.

others call it the lid plane.



the floor plane look at the corkscrew in the hop lessons.

when your poi are spinning like this (in a plane parrallel with the floor), you are spiining horizontally and hence, in the floor plane.

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Posted:for dragon:

)(1) what ARE proper planes. I mean i know they have to be clean but alot of the effects are 2d! not 3d!?! How can you show me (or anyone else) what the proper planes are?

i would say a proper plane is one which you can repeat exactly indefinitely. there are families of moves (atomics, trintity, inversions, insides, etc.) in which the planes are all funny... the important thing is that you can do the same thing exaactly, to prove to yourself or the sprectator that there is still good control, even if the plane seems "wonky" comprared to 2d spinning... if you can repeat the "wopnky" plane then it is obviously intentional.


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Dragon7
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Posted:AY thanks alot you guys for putting up with my stoopid questions biggrin grouphug

My planes are much better now ubbangel

On my plane journey i found ALOT about turning. Like if you turn 90degree's or 180 you can always (genrally) keep them nice and tidy. Now im not sure If its the poi that control the plane or the turning, either way its good smile Do you know what i mean but using only 90 and 180 digree turns when you change moves?

Nvrm it all works out either way biggrin


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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

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Posted:makes total sense man - goes right back to what i was on about on the first page with turning inside the planes rather than bending the planes to suit you.

90 degree turns switch you between wheel and wall plane where your plane control is at its best (because nearly everything we learn is in these plane orientations).

i've been playing with turns (360deg turns either in one beat, two beats or four beats) inside two planes over the last year or so but i get frustrated cos it shows up my limited plane control wink


keep smiling hug


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Posted:i was watchin my terrible video last night, the best bit about it (which didnt get put on the web) was when i went off on one and dived into what i call 'strike plane' which is when you dont care a fig about consistent planes but just wing the poi about like your trying to hit something from as many diffrent angles and directions as possible.

the important, the skillfull bit about this is not hitting yourself in the back of the head.

looks good tho, twists through all the planes constantly. even i was like, how did that transition from weave to bf go???

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ado-p
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ado-p

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Posted:Yay!!!

I call this kind of spinning ...

Antiplane


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coleman
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Posted:ubblol



when i do it, i call this kind of spinning...



sketchy



wink





cole. x


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Posted:when you do it cole, i call you...

drunk wink

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Dragon7
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Posted:peace I have another question! But im not sure how to ask it without looking like a totall newb again wink ubblol Or maybe its not a question at all...

Is it possible to go from weave into butterfly or bf -> weave (IN PLANE) without a wrap!?!

Im pretty sure its impossible if i stick to just 2 planes, but im not defnitate. For some reason they split onto the other 2 (3-4) planes. Whats going wrong?


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fNi
GOLD Member since Mar 2004

fNi

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Posted:sure. stalls, pendulums, throws, all work

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Dragon7
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Posted:No i mean turning the poi with out stoping or wraping. Just the MOST basic... weave into butterfly (or vice versa) when the poi STAY in 2d.

Its so simple to do it, but my butterfly turns 90 digree, so i end in 3rd-4th plane.


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fNi
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fNi

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Posted:see the second 2/3rds of what i suggested smile

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Dragon7
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Posted:Thats not what i mean.

I was asking if its possible to turn it (withOUT stoping)

None of those answers address my question. Which is "can you turn weave into butterfly in 1 fluid motion while keeping the poi on the same 2d planes?"


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fNi
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fNi

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Posted:yes, i do it all the time, (without stopping), although i'm not sure what you mean by 2d planes

kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
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FireByNite
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FireByNite

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Posted:Dragon7 - I've been trying that and still havent figured outa way to do it, which is when i think you might be right in the fact that it's impossible

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong


Are you up for it?
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FireByNite
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Posted:sorry for asking a crap question - Firenice, any vids around? I'm not so sh*t hot on written explanations

Are you up for it?
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fNi
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fNi

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Posted:any vids of what? i've got vids (check the vid forum ubblol )



of weave~>bfly only, not yet..i'm waiting on Dragon7's explanation



[edit]



video up in my gallery Planebreaking



is this what you were talking about dragon?

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Stout
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Stout

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Posted:I don't see why not, but you'll have to pass through a beat or two of corkscrew to get the direction change without stopping. Maybe consider incorporating a turn in here too, or exaggerating the movements of the hand that's going through the plane change ( in the spirit of lasso spinning cowboys,,,yeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaa)

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TheBovrilMonkey
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TheBovrilMonkey

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Posted:You can also make the poi move in a sort of S shape to change direction.

- Spin clockwise wallplane circles
- Move to stall the poi diagonally upwards to about 10 or 11 'o' clock.
- As the poi get to about 8 or 9 'o' clock, move your hand upwards and give the poi a very small tug, so that it swings underneath your hand
- As it swings under your hand, give it a bit more of a swing, bringing it all the way up and into an anticlockwise circle.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to a video camera, but hopefully that's enough for people to work out what I mean.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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fNi
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fNi

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Posted:is that not a pendulum?



because that's what I usually do, but avoided doing it as per Dragon7's request


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:I always thought that a pendulum was a partial circle that momentarily stops moving before reversing direction.

The poi head never actually halts when doing the S shape that I mentioned.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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fNi
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fNi

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Posted:right...got pendulums confused with the half flower description as seen here



dragon7: are hand transfers also not allowed?


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FireByNite
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Posted:thanks guys for link to vid and other explanations, think I've worked it our (finally) smile

Are you up for it?
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Dragon7
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Posted:Hey thanks for posting that video Firenice. smile nice turns



And thanks BovrilMonkey. Thats what iv been trying.



What i want to achieve, is a 90 degree turn without cutting into/accross my 2 other planes. Ie if i'm using fire and someone is watching me, directly in front stage, i want my circles to stay perfectly flush. In those same two planes. Just like flowers do.



Thats why im asking if its possible. Because it dosn't appear to be able to s turn in plane.


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Dragon7
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Posted:ACTUALLY!

After watching that video again. In the very last scene, the poi semi isolate and stay in plane confused clap

Thats why im not sure! because iv thought i pulled it before by fluke but i can never get it set umm


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