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adamrice

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Location: Austin TX USA

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Posted:Malcolm--Many of us, myself included, have commented that it is unfortunate that the twirler's original music choice needs to be overdubbed by something else in order to avoid rights problems.It just occurred to me that we can get around this--kind of. If you could post MP3s of the music *in advance*, then we could download those and burn CDs (or even play into a tape recorder through the sound-out) and perform to that. Our options, obviously, would be limited, but at least our performances would be in synch from the viewer's perspective.

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Tanzen
BRONZE Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Jacksonville, Florida USA

Total posts: 55
Posted:I am a LONG way from entering a competition against other people here on this site...but I second your point.A BIG difference between me and other people who spin glowsticks in clubs is that while others just swing them around violently and randomly, I am in sync with the music.Not only does the music play a major role in deciding when I am to change moves, but it definatly looks better and people are put into a "trance" (so to speak) easier.If there was an MP3 file on here, then I (and others) could just download it onto the computer, burn it to CD-R/RW, and then play it back during their performance.Tanzen[This message has been edited by Tanzen (edited 04 February 2002).]

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Or....What if the DJ/music types who wish to have their music put on here post them to MP3's and then we can have our choice of what we like in the end? That would leave Malcolm with less work!They would just have to let us know where to find it!------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...http://www.pyromorph.com

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Tanzen
BRONZE Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Jacksonville, Florida USA

Total posts: 55
Posted:I've started making inquiries to DJs I know who might want to submit tracks to use. If I'm able to get any, then I will post them on the www and let you all know of the address.However, here's the issue...it's my understanding that people want their poi to match the music. Even if they were to download the tracks and use poi to the music, once the editing of the video is done, it's not going to match anymore (when putting the video together, only the video part of the contestants entries will be used, not the sound). So, when the music is layed over the video, it'll no longer match the music and so you're back to square one...follow?So, the only way I can think to fix this is to get everyone to use the same 10 songs (or however many tracks we get to choose from). Then, group the people using certain tracks together. Then, when it's time to put the music over the video, have a DJ match the music to the speed of the poi/staff/etc on the video.Obviously, this will take a skilled DJ...but it can be done. When a DJ mixes, he/she speeds up or slows down a track to match another track. The only difference would be that the DJ would speed up or slow down the track to match the poi. Heck, it may even be easier since the DJ will be able to use his/her ears (for the music) and eyes (for the video)...as opposed to using the left ear for one track, and the right ear for the other track when beatmixing.I have all my own DJ equipment and if given an advanced copy of the video, I could mix a CD for it, send the CD back to whoever, and they could lay it over the video.Yes...this is all a lot of work. But, just thowing it out there as a possible solution.Tanzen------------------Ravers don't share glowsticks!

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Bendy


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Location: Adelaide, SA, Australia

Total posts: 750
Posted:Music? eh too much effort!I'm just gonna spin my ass off
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kaka


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Location: stockholm, sweden

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Posted:i think all should spin to the same tune. it's the easiest way to sync the video.

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Cassandra


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Posted:I think Tanzen has a very good point about the videos and editing...

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Tanzen
BRONZE Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Jacksonville, Florida USA

Total posts: 55
Posted:Alright...I've made contact with a DJ/Producer who is willing to allow us to use his music. I need input about what type of music should be in the video. I haven't seen the first two videos, but I did hear a track that was on one of them (Malcolm sent me a link for the song).Lots of vocals in the music? No vocals? Some vocals?I was thinking something with a nice beat from an electronic genre of music (trance, techno, breakz, etc).Anyone? Malcolm? Pele? Bueller?
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Tanzen
BRONZE Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Jacksonville, Florida USA

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Posted:Another option would be this...I get the tracks that will be used in the video. I make a 60 minute mix using those tracks. I upload the mix onto a website so that people wanting to submit videos can download the music and perform to it. Then Malcolm can edit the video so that it matches the music (rather than me matching the music to the video).This may be easier. The reason is because we all know that electronic genres have "breakdowns". Well, it would be easier for Malcolm to insert someone spinning slow into where the breakdown would be than it would be for me to insert a breakdown to where someone is spinning slow. I mean, I could do it...but it wouldn't sound as smooth.Heck, or I could just say "to hell with the breakdowns" and mix the CD with out them in there (relatively easy to do).Again...I just need some feedback/ideas.Tanzen------------------Ravers don't share glowsticks!

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RavingLunatic


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Posted:hmm.. your into DJing tanzen? cool, me2.anyway.. i think that's good what you are willing to do here..i personally didn't care much for the music on COL2, it was OK but.. there is much better electronica out there...it doesn't really matter what we spin to, as long as it's synced to the beat..in an ideal world, we'd all spin to our own tracks, then, you'd mix them together..but.. this is not an ideal world, i doubt you have all the songs, and i doubt they will all mix together well.do you mix with records or CDs, or maybe mp3s? with records could be tough, but i could always send you my track on mp3 and you could burn it to CD.------------------~whoosh whoosh whoosh~

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Tanzen
BRONZE Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Jacksonville, Florida USA

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Posted:The problem is we're looking for music that 1) can be used on the video without having to pay the artist and record label a lot of money to use it, and 2) won't have to get in touch with the artist and record label for permission to use the tracks (because that's difficult to do...even if they let their music be used in the video for free).Yes, I DJ. If you read BPM Magazine (an international magazine out of California), then check out their May 2001 issue...I'm mensioned in there (place 13th out of thousands of other DJs in their competition).I DJed in Germany (where I lived the past 6 1/2 years) and a few times here in the States since I've been back. It's nothing I would ever consider doing "as a real job"...I just do it because I love it. As for the format I use...I prefer CD...but have to use vinyl on occastion.If you (or anyone else) would like one of my mix CDs to use for your practices/perfomances or just to listen to, email me.Tanzen------------------Ravers don't share glowsticks![This message has been edited by Tanzen (edited 06 February 2002).]

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Malcolm
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Malcolm

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Location: HOP

Total posts: 1012
Posted:What I did for COL2 was get all the music into catagories of their "speed" and created three folders "Fast", "medium" and "slow" I then matched as best I could (i did not do music at school) music to the speed of the video clip I was using. Also the music had to be long enough for the clip/s.My main concern is that sometimes we have to remove parts of peoples clips where they do errors (not everyone has video editing equipment) or there are tracking issues we are unable to fix or the tape is poor quality in places or they do butterfly move 30 times in a row. I understand that many are spinning in sync to the music and that is a part of the skill they do well. If they can provide music that they have permission to use and can provide a statement from the music artist stating that fact then yes we can keep it together.Most people do not have these ability and know of an artist.If we list music that can be used we would then have to make sure that no one else uses the same music twice.We may also have to shorten some peoples clips to fit others on the final video. To keep the best of their clips we may be best to remove a part from the middle. Which would then be making the music out of sync.Also we have to remember and respect that we all have differing music tastes and someone might not find music that they can legally use that meets their taste.I know we all want COL3 to be the best and I appreciate all these thoughts.I can not guarantee to anyone that their video entry will be used or shown in full or not have parts deleted. I will not know until I have all entries and have watched them all several times.If you can get your own music you can use then go for it
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If you do not use music I will try and get something suitable to your speed.If you use music you do not have permission to use I will replace it as best I can.If you have some music you will allow used on COL3 email me music@homeofpoi.com or post a link to the MP3 here.If multiple people use the same music we will change it. First in will be able to use it.If you use music posted here tell everyone here also that you are using it. Remember to get permission from the artist and tell them that it is being used for COL3, so they will hopefully not allow anyone else to use it on this video.Remember editing is not a nice job to do to someones hard work and not everyone will be pleased if parts are edited/deleted by us.It is easy to edit video content but almost imposible to edit music unless you are the origonal artist.However creation of the video will always require editing to bring it together.RegardsMalcolm


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