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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:ok i have been messing with staff and i always liked triden in movies and stuff so i am currently trying to figure out how i would rig a fire trident together and i was wondering if any one else on here as tried, and if so would you be willing to throw some advice this way?thanx

some will understand. -buddah

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:erm remember to wear a mermaid's outfit.
and remember to bring a towel. don't forget your towel!


Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always

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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:a good hitchhiker never does(forget)

some will understand. -buddah

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:A fire trident will likely look like a staff with wick on one end...not really a great toy.

Unless you want tpo put wick on the three prongs, which sounds like fun, but i can't really seethe advantage of it...

guess I'm an old Slartibartfast thoug...


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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:A fire trident will likely look like a staff with wick on one end...not really a great toy.

Unless you want tpo put wick on the three prongs, which sounds like fun, but i can't really seethe advantage of it...

guess I'm an old Slartibartfast thoug...


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Deimos
BRONZE Member since Aug 2003

Deimos

Cinnamon Girl
Location: Hfx, NS, Canada

Total posts: 191
Posted:I'm the guilty party who put the idea of a fire trident into Flip's head, and the plan was to have a wick on each prong and one at the other side. We always see multiple wicks on toys but i think having them side by side would look interesting, given that the trident was positioned correctly.
So long, and thatnks for all the fish!


P*L*U*R

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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

TheBovrilMonkey

Liquid Cow
Location: High Wycombe, England

Total posts: 2629
Posted:Hmm, interesting.

Ok, I'm going to have to try explaining what I mean without knowing the correct terms

Anyway, first thing. A staff doesn't just spin end over end, but also rotates on a different axis as you spin it right?

So if a trident was spun like a staff, the outermost points would be doing a kind of spiral around the centre one as it's spun.

Therefore, if you had a trident with a wick on each point, you'd get really cool looking spiral trails, just as long as the flames coming off the wicks didn't all merge into 1 mega-large flame

Thinking about it, if you can make a strong enough join to make a trident, why not go the whole hog and make one with 4 extra points rather than 2?


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Deimos
BRONZE Member since Aug 2003

Deimos

Cinnamon Girl
Location: Hfx, NS, Canada

Total posts: 191
Posted:Oho, but it wouldn't be a trident anymore would it? It'd be a...quadradent or something. Or just a pitchfork.
See, the have these handy little elbow joints for plumbing with mulitple openings that we though would be perfect.


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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:what if i made the middle point/wick longer then the two outside ones then it would be flame short space flame long space flame at the bottem.

some will understand. -buddah

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tiamat_22580


tiamat_22580

I will kill all mods
Location: mods suck

Total posts: 210
Posted:yeah, a wick on every prong would rock , im envious of anyone with a trident

Fear the pitchfork for it leaves three holes


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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:I would be using it alot like spear but there is some really good trident in matrix reloaded.

some will understand. -buddah

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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:i was wondering if any one would know how to fasion a trident with torches on both ends?

some will understand. -buddah

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Zyanya Bella
BRONZE Member since Sep 2003

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Location: , USA

Total posts: 70
Posted:it would be massively interesting to have one with three prongs at each end...lots of fire and perhaps some cool effects.

Always Beautiful

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Flipmodius


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Location: Halifax, N.S

Total posts: 103
Posted:yeah i started thinking of that since people don't seem to intrested in the regular trident idea i thought with a double ended trident the moves would look insane.

some will understand. -buddah

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audax
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

audax

freelance bum
Location: Upstairs, Australia

Total posts: 286
Posted:For most stable twirling characteristics I think the prongs would have to arranged like tripod at each end and not a fork, or you'd get eratic effects, especially in throws.
In terms of construction, I was thinking that the simplest would be some sections of alu tube bashed flat on one end and bent to a tilde or lightning shape then hose clamped to the central staff section. Problem being that all 6 head pieces would have to identical or close as and well attached. Also this would make fully heavy heads, great for momentum though.
But you could light one end and it could stand up on it's own! Starting moves with a free standing staff anyone? umm


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audax
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

audax

freelance bum
Location: Upstairs, Australia

Total posts: 286
Posted:6 fire heads on one staff. So naturally we need to have 2 of them wink

UYI wink OLDSKOOL

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FaerieWithoutWings


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Location: London

Total posts: 9
Posted:Why not have the main staff, ie. one long prong in the middle, then have four extra wicks around it? A setup kind of like those big, glorious candelabra the beatutiful but tragic heroine wanders round with in gothic novels.

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Pheonnexx
BRONZE Member since Dec 2003

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Location: Plymouth, UK

Total posts: 89
Posted:That sounds cool, if you were to attatch the prongs on though you would have to make sure they are welded on pretty fast or sumin bad could happen umm

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audax
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

audax

freelance bum
Location: Upstairs, Australia

Total posts: 286
Posted:precisely umm

UYI wink OLDSKOOL

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telic


I don't want a title.


Total posts: 940
Posted:You know what would look amazing with that sort of fork-like multi-wicked trident? A dance routine along the lines of what Fred Astaire (I think) did with his hat rack.

E pluribus unum, baby.

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HellCat


HellCat

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Location: Alberta, Canada

Total posts: 32
Posted:i think it sounds like a great idea.. but remember if you're going to have the three prongs on the one end to counter weight it on the other side so it would spin evenly, so it won't be so heavy on the one side... or it will be hard to control. but that's just my opinion... give it a try, i'm curious as to how it would turn out!

Peace, Love, Unity, Respect ^.~

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted:Now to refresh this thread as a logical step in the Martial Fire Arts - Fusion attempt:

Trident Kung-Fu style

I have seen some wicked trident action, where the guy had wicks attached to either point and not only did some oldskool staff movements, but also some contact (in which the trident was rotating, while vertically running over his front and back)...


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jumblymamba


putting a new spin on juggling
Location: on the road

Total posts: 21
Posted:I've been using stainless steel plumbling pipe (for hot water)it 's a lot thinner than steel pipe so lighter and stronger.People will tell you it needs specialist welding but if you don't mind your welds going rusty(unlikely with parafin anyway)you can weld it with an ordinary mig welder more flames more spectac love and light jumblymamba..So far I have had no fauires but I employ the best welders i can I'm doing 10 metre drops..Ideally they would all be tig welded and where would a fire show be without some danger..keep the kids back the adults can teke their chances
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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted:nice one - to be honest, my alltime favourite is solid wood core aluminum.... same as with firestaff, as weight and stability issues - to me - only are sufficiently solved with this combo...

You have vids on trident-manipulation?


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squarefish
SILVER Member since Sep 2002

(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux, Ireland

Total posts: 403
Posted:Yes,
those "people" would be someone like me, who has actually done a course specifically in welding.

Welding stainless steel using mild steel wire in a MIG welder is a bad idea for two main reasons

1. the weld will be weaker than if you used a stainless steel filler rod
2. Corrosion will occur at the welded portion, not only where you can see it but also, most likely, within the weld and in the interior of the tube.

Chromium oxide develops within a stainless tube under high heat if the tube is not purged correctly.
Would you want a piece of equipment failing spectacularly in the middle of a fire show?


If you're going to pay for something to be made for you, you should expect it to be made correctly, and safely, in my opinion.


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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted:So, how about aluminium?

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squarefish
SILVER Member since Sep 2002

(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux, Ireland

Total posts: 403
Posted:Aluminium needs the right equipment as well to get a decent weld, I wouldn't use it anyway, it conducts heat much quicker than any steel.

Hmmm...It may be that the wooden core is acting like a heatsink and preventing the heat from transfering up all the way to the grip.

Have you ever tried comparing an Aly tube with and without wooden core for heat transfer?


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FireTom


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Posted:No I haven't, but it's a good point. I should, thanks for that.

So far I use the core simply for stability reasons. The staff simply doesn't bend, when I miss the catch.


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