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Erm I'm sure it's on the board somewhere but I can't find it. Do you have to use finger spinning to do a 3 beat weave? If so, do you just hold the staffs normally when entering it cause I find the finger spin that seems necessary, very difficult?
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Erm I'm sure it's on the board somewhere but I can't find it. Do you have to use finger spinning to do a 3 beat weave? If so, do you just hold the staffs normally when entering it cause I find the finger spin that seems necessary, very difficult?
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possible without a fingerspin, but it twists your wrists around horribly.
It's easier to do it follow-time, rather than split-time (which reminds me of Bovrilmonkey showing me follow-time 3-beat weave with poi yesterday, looks odd ) and really get the hang of doing staff crossovers first. Cos the timing has to be a little wonky with sticks to stop them clonking each other.
possible without a fingerspin, but it twists your wrists around horribly.
It's easier to do it follow-time, rather than split-time (which reminds me of Bovrilmonkey showing me follow-time 3-beat weave with poi yesterday, looks odd ) and really get the hang of doing staff crossovers first. Cos the timing has to be a little wonky with sticks to stop them clonking each other.
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By follow time do you mean keeping 'em parallel?
Hmmm, now you got me thinking about poi again
By follow time do you mean keeping 'em parallel?
Hmmm, now you got me thinking about poi again
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yup, parallel, in-time, rotating same direction.
although butterfly crossovers are easier than follow time crossovers with sticks, so it might follow that butterfly weave is easier than 3bt weave.
possibly...
Actually, split-timed double staffs are parallel as well. You have to quarter-time them to get them perpendicular.
Which i don't think i've even tried
where are my sticks!!!
*runs off into the distance*
yup, parallel, in-time, rotating same direction.
although butterfly crossovers are easier than follow time crossovers with sticks, so it might follow that butterfly weave is easier than 3bt weave.
possibly...
Actually, split-timed double staffs are parallel as well. You have to quarter-time them to get them perpendicular.
Which i don't think i've even tried
where are my sticks!!!
*runs off into the distance*
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erm simian, mate, what is to 'quarter time' sticks? thanks man!
erm simian, mate, what is to 'quarter time' sticks? thanks man!
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halfway inbetween follow time (sticks parallel) and split time (sticks at 180' to each other) so the sticks stay at right angles to each other all perpendicular, like.
Any move with sticks held in a cross could be said to be quarter timed. Even tho its in one hand.
erm...
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halfway inbetween follow time (sticks parallel) and split time (sticks at 180' to each other) so the sticks stay at right angles to each other all perpendicular, like.
Any move with sticks held in a cross could be said to be quarter timed. Even tho its in one hand.
erm...
*clutches head*
[tantrum] ok, that does it. i'm done trying to talk about sticks. its all entirely internally inconsistent and rife with contradictory terminology. the words all mean everything and nothing. Language is for telling the other apes 'the biggest fruit is over there' and 'look out theres a mammoth' NOT for describing the intricate paths of twirly cylinders around the body. i'm going home and i'm taking my ball with me [/tantrum]
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simian - just to spice things up a bit, split-time is usually the same as follow-time...
hence a 'cross-follow' (weave) is where one poi ( i think i just swore in the pole forum) follows the other across the body.
parallel is usually referred to just as 'parallel' or sometimes 'same time'.
with sticks there are still split-time and same time butterfly type moves but as you quite rightly pointed out, with both in the same direction, parallel is the same as split-time.
can i book myself in for a butterfly crossover lesson please...?
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simian - just to spice things up a bit, split-time is usually the same as follow-time...
hence a 'cross-follow' (weave) is where one poi ( i think i just swore in the pole forum) follows the other across the body.
parallel is usually referred to just as 'parallel' or sometimes 'same time'.
with sticks there are still split-time and same time butterfly type moves but as you quite rightly pointed out, with both in the same direction, parallel is the same as split-time.
can i book myself in for a butterfly crossover lesson please...?
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Coleman...thank you for that. I was thinking the same thing myself...
Coleman...thank you for that. I was thinking the same thing myself...
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nice one available with snakes.... think i showed some of you londners this last time i was down....
just have a play... and keep them same time. no time for lengthy explanations sorry...
nice one available with snakes.... think i showed some of you londners this last time i was down....
just have a play... and keep them same time. no time for lengthy explanations sorry...
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[grump] I knever seen a full 3 beat weave with doubles, lots of two beats maskerading tho... [/grump]
one little advantage of sticks is that spinning quarter time is much easier (crosses to you )
the snake thing is beutifull, but well hard, one hand snakes (thumb-extension) and tother hand dosnt, they seperate for 1/2 (?) a beat then back parralel witht he opposite hand snakeing for the transition back.
T :grump:
[grump] I knever seen a full 3 beat weave with doubles, lots of two beats maskerading tho... [/grump]
one little advantage of sticks is that spinning quarter time is much easier (crosses to you )
the snake thing is beutifull, but well hard, one hand snakes (thumb-extension) and tother hand dosnt, they seperate for 1/2 (?) a beat then back parralel witht he opposite hand snakeing for the transition back.
T :grump:
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but the snake-thing is 3-beat...? why the grump...is it cause you still haven't worked out the weather comment...?
but the snake-thing is 3-beat...? why the grump...is it cause you still haven't worked out the weather comment...?
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as three as it can be in parrelle i suppose.
And no, refer to poi moves for weathermen, im just grumpy today.
T :grump:
as three as it can be in parrelle i suppose.
And no, refer to poi moves for weathermen, im just grumpy today.
T :grump:
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aaaaw (and other soothing noises...)
if you are really fussy and want to add more snakes then 5 and 7 beat ones happen too... just i think they are not pretty unless perfect so not on display yet...
R
aaaaw (and other soothing noises...)
if you are really fussy and want to add more snakes then 5 and 7 beat ones happen too... just i think they are not pretty unless perfect so not on display yet...
R
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Thought I'd drag this up again Rob....do you mean hold the staff and pretend it's a club and do normal sholder snakes in wheel plane...
The only way I've managed a 3 beat weave with doubles by doing it the same as poi but starting with the sticks between my 2 middle fingers making the finger roles way easier...
Thought I'd drag this up again Rob....do you mean hold the staff and pretend it's a club and do normal sholder snakes in wheel plane...
The only way I've managed a 3 beat weave with doubles by doing it the same as poi but starting with the sticks between my 2 middle fingers making the finger roles way easier...
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I think I can do the three beat with the snakes, but I dont get the extra beat versions...can you cast more light blue?
(and DSS if its the same move I'm doing its basically as you describe, shoulder snakes in wheel plane with the snakes used to do the lead change for the cross).
I think I can do the three beat with the snakes, but I dont get the extra beat versions...can you cast more light blue?
(and DSS if its the same move I'm doing its basically as you describe, shoulder snakes in wheel plane with the snakes used to do the lead change for the cross).
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oooooh [censored].
bump me in a day or two and i'll explain in length, or get one or two on vid.
probly the former.
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oooooh [censored].
bump me in a day or two and i'll explain in length, or get one or two on vid.
probly the former.
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try this old thread on3-beat weaves
I'm just starting doubles again and I don't think u need to do finger spins. I'm trying it by using a double spin (4 beat?) on each side with doubles.
Hey Cole
try this old thread on3-beat weaves
I'm just starting doubles again and I don't think u need to do finger spins. I'm trying it by using a double spin (4 beat?) on each side with doubles.
Hey Cole
Quote:Wot u can't have split-time same direction moves with poles?
...with both in the same direction, parallel is the same as split-time.
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i guess you could argue that there is a difference between split and parallel time - parallel time would be same end of the staffs moving in time and split-time being opposite ends of the staffs moving in time.
my point was that both timings visually look very similar as they both have staffs spinning parallel to each other; hence the naming is quite confusing too.
quarter time is the one that looks really different although you rarely see people doing it with two hands, a one handed cross being the only quarter time move i see being spun regularly with double staffs.
i guess you could argue that there is a difference between split and parallel time - parallel time would be same end of the staffs moving in time and split-time being opposite ends of the staffs moving in time.
my point was that both timings visually look very similar as they both have staffs spinning parallel to each other; hence the naming is quite confusing too.
quarter time is the one that looks really different although you rarely see people doing it with two hands, a one handed cross being the only quarter time move i see being spun regularly with double staffs.
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i was going to reply, but the reply [Old link] and i had to quarantine it.
And i didn't even get round to talking about quarter timing in it, which was the whole point when i started...
i was going to reply, but the reply [Old link] and i had to quarantine it.
And i didn't even get round to talking about quarter timing in it, which was the whole point when i started...
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Hi Cole, I think I'm might learn something here. I understand what u are saying, in that they could look similar because if u held one pole 180 deg ahead of the other it would still look parallel (I I).
Perhaps because I'm new to double, I may have I missed something because when I do doubles they look different to me. Like in parallel (chase the sun type move) u get poles going ( I I ) together, where as in split-time you get poles doing an ( X ) pattern. Then if u speed on pole up u would be back to ( I I), which would mean one wrist would be ahead of the other.
I think for the moment I will stick with poi/clubs stuff where u go from parallel time (chase the sun type move) to split-time (windmill) by speeding up one of the poles, until they are 1/2 beat apart. I think it gets confusing because poles have a wick at each end (180 deg apart) and a pole is always in split-time. So when u do the a split-time move u have 4 wicks and that looks like 1/4 time
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my point was that both timings visually look very similar as they both have staffs spinning parallel to each other; hence the naming is quite confusing too.
Hi Cole, I think I'm might learn something here. I understand what u are saying, in that they could look similar because if u held one pole 180 deg ahead of the other it would still look parallel (I I).
Perhaps because I'm new to double, I may have I missed something because when I do doubles they look different to me. Like in parallel (chase the sun type move) u get poles going ( I I ) together, where as in split-time you get poles doing an ( X ) pattern. Then if u speed on pole up u would be back to ( I I), which would mean one wrist would be ahead of the other.
I think for the moment I will stick with poi/clubs stuff where u go from parallel time (chase the sun type move) to split-time (windmill) by speeding up one of the poles, until they are 1/2 beat apart. I think it gets confusing because poles have a wick at each end (180 deg apart) and a pole is always in split-time. So when u do the a split-time move u have 4 wicks and that looks like 1/4 time
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It's just a question of terminology.
Keeping consistent with poi terminology (which helps avoid confusion more than create it) means that in split time the rotation of one stick is 180degrees further on than the other, and they are parallel.
In parallel time the rotation is the same, and they are still parallel. That doesn't mean split and parallel time are the same with doubles though. Just the sticks are in the same position.
Crosses (offset by 90 degrees) are quarter time, just like spinning poi at 90 degrees.
It's just a question of terminology.
Keeping consistent with poi terminology (which helps avoid confusion more than create it) means that in split time the rotation of one stick is 180degrees further on than the other, and they are parallel.
In parallel time the rotation is the same, and they are still parallel. That doesn't mean split and parallel time are the same with doubles though. Just the sticks are in the same position.
Crosses (offset by 90 degrees) are quarter time, just like spinning poi at 90 degrees.
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I understand all the timings (and can do the 2 beat) but I still can't manage the 3 beat without fingers. I went back over that old thread and it didn't help. I hadn't really been giving it too such effort (without fingures) up until yesterday but I gave it a few minutes last night to no avail...
I might give it another while cause it might just click in but I still want to know about these shoulder snakes.
Do they actually cross each other at any stage or does left hand stay left and right hand stay right (next to each other). Where does the throw off fit into the pattern? I presume you can only do these with match sticks otherwise how do you avoid impaling your heart on circle one.
Or is it that say while doing snake circle one with right hand, your doing circle 2 (with the left hand) and both sticks miss you on your left hand side.... and then circle 2 right hand it done with throw off on left hand and repeat or something like that....
Man if that's it, it sounds really sweet... *yummy yummy* or is it man overboard here
I understand all the timings (and can do the 2 beat) but I still can't manage the 3 beat without fingers. I went back over that old thread and it didn't help. I hadn't really been giving it too such effort (without fingures) up until yesterday but I gave it a few minutes last night to no avail...
I might give it another while cause it might just click in but I still want to know about these shoulder snakes.
Do they actually cross each other at any stage or does left hand stay left and right hand stay right (next to each other). Where does the throw off fit into the pattern? I presume you can only do these with match sticks otherwise how do you avoid impaling your heart on circle one.
Or is it that say while doing snake circle one with right hand, your doing circle 2 (with the left hand) and both sticks miss you on your left hand side.... and then circle 2 right hand it done with throw off on left hand and repeat or something like that....
Man if that's it, it sounds really sweet... *yummy yummy* or is it man overboard here
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stuff about the Doubles 3 beat i know of...
Matchsticks or long arms are indeed necessary.
and the staffs do cross, or it wouldn't be a three beat weave would it?
Its very similar to parallel 3bt weave with poi. ever tried it? its an education...
Needs lots more placement than split time
But if you've got weave and butterfly 2beat crossovers with doubles you should be cool
(wierd how cross is easier innit?)
There's a very odd feel to it as you slide the rotating parallel lines over, under and around each other.
i cannot do this well, but have seen it on a few occasions.
was first showed it by Claire, Ogre\Tim's girlfriend
only seen it looking really smooth once, by Dantana(?) on Dio's booty vid(?) i thiiiink.
although possibly he was using fingerspins, or it was all in my head.
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stuff about the Doubles 3 beat i know of...
Matchsticks or long arms are indeed necessary.
and the staffs do cross, or it wouldn't be a three beat weave would it?
Its very similar to parallel 3bt weave with poi. ever tried it? its an education...
Needs lots more placement than split time
But if you've got weave and butterfly 2beat crossovers with doubles you should be cool
(wierd how cross is easier innit?)
There's a very odd feel to it as you slide the rotating parallel lines over, under and around each other.
i cannot do this well, but have seen it on a few occasions.
was first showed it by Claire, Ogre\Tim's girlfriend
only seen it looking really smooth once, by Dantana(?) on Dio's booty vid(?) i thiiiink.
although possibly he was using fingerspins, or it was all in my head.
The usual disclaimers for possible stupidity and wrongness apply
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Yea, obviously they have to cross... it's I think the last paragraph I wrote is the snake version. I say version cause my understanding is that it's different to a normal 3 beat? oh and possible super cool
Yea, obviously they have to cross... it's I think the last paragraph I wrote is the snake version. I say version cause my understanding is that it's different to a normal 3 beat? oh and possible super cool
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er, trying to work out description.
you're talking about a kind of isolated weave, with the staff held toward one end, thumb facing outward. yes? or no?
IF SO...
can't think of a way of crossing hands like you describe (on left side, left hand inside, right hand outside) without hand-arm clashes during the circle though.
oh yes i can. doh! parallel (not split) timed. i think. yeah.
You wouldn't need big sticks for that. But with small sticks you could mix in isolated buzzsaw thingys too.
Seen a guy who was possibly King of Bongo or possibly Trees and Beetles doing nice double staff isolations inside and outside the arms, buzzsaw stylee.
Dromepixie can do that too (after i told her she should )
Hey, you could cross your arms like you can (well, like Cole can ) with poi isolated buzzsaw. (is that "inverted" or something else?) You'd need actual matchsticks or the arms of an orangutan to do it comfortably though.
on a totally unrelated note - quarter timed isolations (with poi or stick) look gorgeous
Jonny Moohaahaa used to do them quite a bit, but i've never been sure if it was on purpose
er, trying to work out description.
you're talking about a kind of isolated weave, with the staff held toward one end, thumb facing outward. yes? or no?
IF SO...
can't think of a way of crossing hands like you describe (on left side, left hand inside, right hand outside) without hand-arm clashes during the circle though.
oh yes i can. doh! parallel (not split) timed. i think. yeah.
You wouldn't need big sticks for that. But with small sticks you could mix in isolated buzzsaw thingys too.
Seen a guy who was possibly King of Bongo or possibly Trees and Beetles doing nice double staff isolations inside and outside the arms, buzzsaw stylee.
Dromepixie can do that too (after i told her she should
)Hey, you could cross your arms like you can (well, like Cole can
) with poi isolated buzzsaw. (is that "inverted" or something else?) You'd need actual matchsticks or the arms of an orangutan to do it comfortably though.on a totally unrelated note - quarter timed isolations (with poi or stick) look gorgeous
Jonny Moohaahaa used to do them quite a bit, but i've never been sure if it was on purpose
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What I said mightn't make any sense. I'm sitting here holding a pen and a ruler like clubs, trying to do discrete snakes at my desk and trying to imagine there's another half to the object (making it a staff) and still see where they fit.
I'm kinda speculating, hoping that one of the 2 to mention the snakes (Josh or Rob)'ll come back and explain 'em.
What I said mightn't make any sense. I'm sitting here holding a pen and a ruler like clubs, trying to do discrete snakes at my desk and trying to imagine there's another half to the object (making it a staff) and still see where they fit.
I'm kinda speculating, hoping that one of the 2 to mention the snakes (Josh or Rob)'ll come back and explain 'em.
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i was wondering that too - seems like they would be cool until you twist up enough to have to throw off which would be ridiculous with 5' staffs
must be something to do with the crossover untwisting the snakes so you never get to the point where you have to throw off...
will ask rob to demonstrate later and if he hasn't replied already, i'll get back to ya tomorrow.
i was wondering that too - seems like they would be cool until you twist up enough to have to throw off which would be ridiculous with 5' staffs
must be something to do with the crossover untwisting the snakes so you never get to the point where you have to throw off...
will ask rob to demonstrate later and if he hasn't replied already, i'll get back to ya tomorrow.
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Nice one dude
Nice one dude
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i was like this close --> || to remembering to ask rob about this earlier.
but then i forgot
sorry man.
i was like this close --> || to remembering to ask rob about this earlier.
but then i forgot
sorry man.
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DSS the bit in the old thread that I thought was of value was the bit by funkenflug.
I think if people are using snakes to complete a weave then they are probably doing a double on each side. I’ve been trying the double on each side but without the snake. If U want to learn more about snakes then see Anna Jillings site on clubs and poles look under Club Swinging.
Just a note before I go back into hibernation. I think it is confusing to talk about it split and parallel time because, imho, they both describe different things. Like u can have parallel and alternating moves in same or split time. In the poi world, is there not an alternating, split-time butterfly. CU
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..The learning process is rather simple, too!
(but not easy, i´m afraid, and it takes some time). As Stone already said elsewhere in this thread, start by gripping your staffs at the end and do the weave.(Do yourself a favour and use rather short staffs when first trying this). This shouldn´t present too much of a problem for experienced twirlers (yes, good poi-technique helps a lot here, even better yet if you have some club-swinging experience). Now while doing the weave, slowly change your grip by allowing your fingers to slip towards the center of the staffs for a few inches. Concentrate on keeping up the weaving motion you started out with pretty much undisturbed by this subtle grip-change. This is not easy at first. You will notice that the "short end" of the staffs is very much in the way, but persist and the move will get smoother rather quickly. Now when you have the basic technique down your aim is to increase little by little the "short end" of the staffs while at the same time keeping the move fluid and avoid collisions of the staffs and body hits-ouch (Its all in the wrists!!) When you manage to grip the staffs dead center and still weave them - success!
Take a time out to pat yourself on the shoulder and then graduate to longer staffs.
Speaking from experience, weaving 1.2 m doubles is perfectly possible and looks quite smooth. I´m still practicing on my 1.5m performance staffs and i´m quite convinced i´ll get it to work eventually, its just a matter of time and persistent practice.
Have fun trying the move!, by funkenflug
I think if people are using snakes to complete a weave then they are probably doing a double on each side. I’ve been trying the double on each side but without the snake. If U want to learn more about snakes then see Anna Jillings site on clubs and poles look under Club Swinging.
Just a note before I go back into hibernation. I think it is confusing to talk about it split and parallel time because, imho, they both describe different things. Like u can have parallel and alternating moves in same or split time. In the poi world, is there not an alternating, split-time butterfly. CU
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will reply with description of 3 beat with the alternating snake tonight when I have more time to analysis. Katinca is cracking the whip to get ready to go out...
Josh
will reply with description of 3 beat with the alternating snake tonight when I have more time to analysis. Katinca is cracking the whip to get ready to go out...
Josh
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