sonny_c
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Posted:hey peoples, hope everyone's well. just a question. the other week i saw this guy twirling 2 fire stix in each hand an man it looked really cool!
jus wonderin if anybody knows of any good sites that i can have a look at for techniques or anything coz i gave it a go but any info would really help. thanx guys


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Posted:Hey man,

I do it all the time.... I call my toys my 8-balls (cos of the number of flames I have) or double crosses.

not very different or much harder than double staves, and you can get some really cool wheel effects going. The difference between the two disciplines really depends on the length/size of the cross...

what length were you thinking?


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Posted:yo, a friend of mine told me about this at burning man. Im wandering if the crosses are fixed or two seperate sticks and how you might do fingerrolls in either case.

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Posted:Hiya,

My crosses are fixed. I made them with quite thin aluminium piping, with a nut and bolt/electrical tape combo holding them together. Although, this is not how I wanted them done; I'd rather have removed a notch of the piping in one of the lengths to make the other length sit flush.

god I'm bad a tech descriptions! Let me try again... at the moment, the thickness in the middle of my crosses is double the thickness of the piping - I'd prefer to have them sit together so it is just single thickness.

Finger rolls are something I've never really incorporated into my twirling, be that with single, double and crosses. I find they interrupt my flow too much and for all their technical merit don't really add to any routine I've ever done/seen.


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Posted:hey man! what your doing sounds fuckn cool. ive seen some guys doing it with a cross like your using an thats what i originally was going to try, but then i saw this other dude doing it with just two seperate stix. the stix were about 40-50 cm long an this guy was spinning really well. i tried it an they seemed to fly everywhere. like you said its hard to get an even flow going when your trying to roll the sticks around your fingers an hand. anyways i might jus stick to the cross spinning. that seems to look just as good without doing to many finger rolling.

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Posted:here's some pics with me and my crosses:

blurry pic with me holding crosses together in front of me

pic of me at same performance

one of my favourite pics of my doubles of all time

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Posted:well shit, im gonna have to make a couple of crosses up tomorrow now, your pics look pretty fuckn cool! thanx for the inspiration! out of curiosity, whats the length of the crosses your using?

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Posted:ummm - I'm not sure! I'm bad at estimating lengths of things. I'd say maybe 80 or 90cms tip-to-tip.

I can measure them when I get home tonight to let you know.

But that's just me - Dangerboy for example uses a single cross and it's huge! It's set up more like a jesus-cross than my square crosses, with the longest staff being about 1.5m long.


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Posted:ummm... i dont think ill make mine quite that long, thats really really big! i think ill stick to the smaller size,the ones you use sound about the same size as the ones ive seen being used before which still look pretty cool, maybe ill make bigger ones later when i get past the stage of them flying out of hands every five seconds.


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Posted:the trick is to get your elbow out of the way, kinda 'pushing' them around with the strength of your forearm as well as your wrist.

yeah - the big cross scares me too! lil ones for me They're about the same lenght as my double staves, so almost all my moves are easily transferable.


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Posted:cool, maybe ill be able to get into the double staffs as well then. you realize im gonna be asking you a shit load of qeustions about what other tricks you do when i get started?haha, no really ill try to keep em to a minimum. thanx heaps for your help though.

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Posted:The middle of your 3 pics doesn't seem to work Flashie


Nix? I often spin 2 electroglos in one hand - if that counts - not attached together in any form of a cross though....

Can do some hand wraps and teeny iccle throws.


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Astar
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Posted:heh non-attached doubles in each hand sounds crazy.

Do you think you could get them to rotate counter to each other? If so that would look crazy.


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Posted:minero has some nice cross staff stuff, nix? you should know this man.
i've seen him do a helicopter throw and catch a staff in each hand, looked real nifty.
another nice one that he managed to keep going looked like a helicopter but spinning it round with the other staff.
god i only wish my doubles would get any better.


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Mineiro
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Posted:mwahahahaha!!!!
been playing a wee bit more with crosses... difficult to get counterspinning cause they hit each other at hte wicks...

but a few to show to sheffield skirt emporium... hopefully videoage will ensue and get on here somehow....
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Posted:ar, so i am not going to do my appology thread any more, cos you got my name wrong this time!! haha

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Posted:there this name is easier for you to spell rob.

i've been trying recently some of this cross staff stuff, is it just some thing to play around with or is there a load of moves out there that you can switch between doubles and cross, other than the heli type moves where it seems more possible to do stuff.
or am i being blind?


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Mineiro
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Posted:think you will find o smuggest one that IT WAS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!

so i demand an apology... but back to topic... there are a few vertical ones, still not reall spent huge amounts of time on it but explanations come difficultly so will have to show you... but nix? has some nice ones also....*rubs hands together in anticipation*

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Posted:sounds good wiv me bring on the staff workshop!

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Posted:yeah, theres a nice cross 3beat weave thing i can show ya...


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Posted:Ohh I feel a doubles weekend coming on for me.

Nix and Mineiro I'll be hunting you two down on Saturday I've heard great things about you both.



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Posted:quote:Originally posted by BamBam:

Nix and Mineiro I'll be hunting you two down on Saturday I've heard great things about you both.
not from me though


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Posted:LOL!

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Mineiro
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Posted:youll pay for that o smug one....

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Posted:was just a passing coment, i do not brag how good you both are. that wasnt in a bad way i said the above.

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