quote:no doesn't quite make sense. i'm not so good with words sometimes. u do 720 degrees both in front and in back of you fwd an rev?
in both directions, forward and back, you can add an extra half turn on both sides of the body, for example with forwards figure eight done at the side of the body you can lay it over the wrist going from fron to back or rotate the shoulder from back to front, doing both gives you 2 revolutions on each side. backwards is simalar but the shoulder moves on front to back and the forarm on back to front.
hope this makes sence, i think this is what charles calls a double figure 8.
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EEEEK! The double figure-8 is one of the hardest "common" moves that I know to try and describe in words. I'll have a go, but need to difine the figure8 to make sure we both have the same starting move as well.
Please forgive me for the wordiness of this post, it may be almost impossible to understand it just by reading, however if you have a staff in your hand and go through each step it SHOULD make sense. If I've done it right that it...
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Figure 8
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tart with a basic figure-8, where one leading edge of the staff dips in front of you, comes up and to your side and then dips behind you. It turns 180 degrees in front and another 180 degrees behind. For this explanation we'll say it is your right hand-side.
Your hand/wrist (if trailing smoke) should make a figure-8 symbol in the air with one loop in front, the x where it crosses on your side and the other loop behind you. Also the staff is held in a closed grip with the thumb end of the hand pointing up the leading end and the pinky finger end stuck with the following end of the staff.
Is that the way you do your current figure 8? If so...
Double Figure 8
When the leading end starts coming up in front of you, it will be approaching the furthest point to your left of its arc. And also exactly halfway between the top and bottom of the arc. At this point you usually pull it back and up across your chest to dip it down to your right again.
Instead of doing that, when it is at that far left and middle-height point, stop your forearm and arm from moving at all. The staff should be vertical with your forearm parallel with the ground. The staff still has some kinetic energy, so it will want to spin in one place. You now allow this spin to change your grip on the staff by pointing your fingers to the left and letting the staff's oringinal leading end point across your forearm to the right. Your wrist should now be pointing upwards, with your thumb on top of the staff and your four fingers underneath it. The leading edge of the staff needs to be outside your arm slightly so it is pointing slight away from your body on the right and slightly towards your body on the left. At this point it has done a 1/4 spin with your hand as the fulcrum, the arm has still not moved.
The staff still wants to spin on the existing axis so keeping the wrist still as well, you "roll" the staff between your thumb and the fingers underneath. I.E Push your thumb down and away from your chest and bring your four fingers up and towards your chest.
This has rotated the staff 180 degrees again, with the arm still stationary, and the original leading end now pointing to your left.
As usual the staff still wants to keep moving, but as far as I know, there is no closed grip movements to let it spin with your hand as the fulcrum. So we now move the arm to the right to keep using this energy, first rotate your forearm at the elbow so that the NEW LEADING END is pointing down at the ground and the forearm is pointing upwards (90 degrees). Try to bring your elbow in to your body a few inches as well. (the original is now pointing to your left).
As the forearm goes past the 90 degrees position swivel your shoulder a little to allow the whole arm to straighten out and bring the path of the staff behind you a little (all previous motions have happened in front of your body). This the point of crossover as in the normal figure-8, where the X between the two loops normally occurs.
And now the whole process is reversed behind you. I can explain that too if you wish, but don't want to make this post any longer than it already is.
Especially if I haven't described it properly anyway. i look forward to your reply (and others on my explanation).
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