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TranceKuja
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Posted:I have never this done in real life, only in anime. It's where someone/something starts out and spins a staff or staff-like object around one hand repeatedly on one side.I am trying to learn this move and would like advice on some steps you took to learn this move (if you did).-Thanks-------------------Live by honor. Kill by stealth. Only the unseen survive.~peace~

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Cantus
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Posted:What like a palm spin?I've done a kind of rotor palm spin a few times. But not for any great length of time. A few revolutions. Nothing more.

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TranceKuja
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Posted:It's kinda hard to explain, just tell me if I can help clarify. Steps (right hand):1. hold staff in hand2. rotate hand to right3. right when your thumb can no longer hold the staff, let go and spin the staff around your arm4. turn your hand back left to catch the staff5. repeatHope that helps to clarify.

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Posted:Oh. A wrap. You're best off asking Charles I think. Maybe Josh. They'll be along in a bit. Make yourself comfy. Can I get you anything while you're waiting? Drink? Snacks?Thinly veiled Japanese porn/cartoon thing?

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GodlovinSponge
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Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Posted:Hey Trance, Thats what Im trying to learn at the moment, right now all I can do is one handwrap, then switch over to the other side and do a handwrap on that side to bring my hand back to the center of the staff.The trick is to get your hand to stay in the middle.. but I dont know how either.. :S------------------May the fire of God burn its impression on your heart.

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
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Posted:yo,The only continious one I got is sorta underarm and uver the shoulder, hold the stick toward the bottom (pinky) end and do a forward rotor at 90 degrees to to body, then the front comes under the armpit and caught with the same hand when it rolls over.Otherwise, you can roll it over the hand a couple of times but if the centre of gravity is too far out it wont do it. stop and go back is nice.Cantus, got any of them cheeze footballs?LoveNix

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Cantus
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Posted:I'm not sure NIx. I'll go and see. Why not have a glass of this wine and tell me a little about yourself whilst i'm looking.*goes into kitchen and starts looking through cupboards*------------------C@ntusDance beneath the stars, we sound system, we the collective, with a open heart, we the solution - should be respected![This message has been edited by Cantus (edited 24 November 2001).]

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phuzzz
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Location: saltspring island, bc , kanada
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 160
Posted:um... spin... throw... spin... throw ... one hand. switch spin... throww... loocks choppy at first till you dont even have to look and more then it looks great. a guy named nova showed me this.

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Vik
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Location: Queensland, Australia
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Posted:Yah Phuzz, if you practice that you get a little mezmorised and soon enuff it turns itself into a wrap
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Cantus
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Posted:Erm....... spin - throw - spin - throw - spin - throw - btb pass - heli spin - palm spin - btb palm spin pass - palm spin - over shoulder flick - btb LH catch.....Practice that and you've got the first few moves of my single staff act (for want of a better word)....A guy called Cantus taught me that
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Posted:TA DAAAAAA!*Charles jumps onto the stage and cringes from all the booing form the audience*Not quite sure what you are after TranceK, but my common handwrap is doing an anticlockwise rotor (horizontal spin) where the staff leaves the pinky end of my hand rather than the thumb end as you describe.There shouldn't be any practical difference.A good way to learn is to do a quick, low one handed throw and catch inn the same hand, try to catch in the same place as when you let go.Get the throw lower and lower and lower until it starts rolling around your hand instead of being thrown.For me, i like to hold the staff slightly off centre so that the "travel" of running over the hand brings it back to the same position. Does that make sense?------------------Charles (INFERNO)newdolbel@hotmail.comhttp://juggling.co.nz

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
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Posted:yoi suppose in theory you could keep it going forever with one finger just off the point of ballance, following the stick a la devil stylee stick.Yes charlie, I get ya.Cantus, whats a shoulder flick? I been doing btb throwing and catching, bt Im not shure what your refering too.Lovex

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Posted:I thought the spin - throw was a little vague too. But Phuzz (quite inexplicably) started it with all that spin/throw/nova malarky. I was just messing around.I don't know how to describe it. I kind of dont really throw it. just drop it over my shoulder and catch behind me. it's one of my signature moves.Did you not want the wine I offered you yesterday Nix? You dont seem to have touched it.[This message has been edited by Cantus (edited 25 November 2001).]

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TranceKuja
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Posted:Thanks for the help and the virtual food/drinks everyone. I'll try with a more throw start because right now I can almost get it to roll around many times, but it's slow.

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Posted:doing a fwd figure 8 in front of you, as the staff comes over to the left instead of pulling the leading end back to the right, let it go down on the left, as the tension comes on release the staff so the following end comes up over your hand and the grip of the staff should roll over the back of your hand and you should be able to grasp it back in the normal grip again. Give it a little push and repeat. This is a continuous fwd hand wrap (I think? Charles?)You will probly notice that the staff tends to 'walk' away from your balance point. The way to counteract this is to give it a little throw on the release so it doesnt actually touch the back of your hand as it rolls across the top, this way it shouldnt walk. This technicque can be done very very slowly...so learn it slow. It can also be done very very quickly. If you take your hand out between the throw and the catch, you can make the staff do multiple spins before you have to catch it again. This makes the staff look like its hovering in the air spinning very very fast. Impressive to non-staffers.If anyone needs any clarification on this, say so
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phuzzz
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Location: saltspring island, bc , kanada
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Posted:what if you drill a hole halfway through the center of your staff and put in one of those little tiny moters(teehee)then just pinch the turney bit. then watch your staff spin way too fast and motor off in a flaming streak toward the audience.
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the crowd will be sayin "ohhhh ahhh!" then "AHHHHHHGH"what i meant by spinthow, is simply to rotor away really fast and then give it a small toss (like one or two rotations) then tap staff just off center with your hand to propell back up again and again


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phuzzz
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Location: saltspring island, bc , kanada
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Posted:ive also been working on keeping a perpetual weed wacker with one hooked finger but to no avail. yet.

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Posted:How can that possibly work - ever - Phuzzz?Surely a weedwhacker (still not liking that word) by it's very nature is spinning. Otherwise it is simply holding a staff near to the ground which is not something that requires any great skill.I'm fairly sure I could do that (on one hooked finger or nay) indefinitely.At least until my back gives out or my dinner is ready....

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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:been doing a handwrap that slides down as it goes past the vertical, can be kept going, the idea of optional pivot isnt such a bad one, maybe with a special glove? humm.....sorry cantus, I dont drink much when Ive been smoking....lap it up.Nix?

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phuzzz
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Location: saltspring island, bc , kanada
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Posted:cantus, thinkof it as an indefinite one finger wrap. round and round she goes sure enough! um okay really slow motion just for cantus. hold staff paralell to ground close to the ground and with one fingerslowly start to turn it. still paralell to the groundwhen yourfinger can no longer hold it (twist any more) give a verry slight toss up just long enoughto let the staff do a halfrotation and catch is with your one hooked finger. repeat.

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Teine
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Location: Asheville, NC
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Posted:umm...something i do that sounds similar to this whole one-handed (almost) indefinate spinning thingit is similar to baton-twirling. ya have to start out slow (at least i do) but you end up spinning with thumb and first 2-3 fingers. i'd been doing it a while, then observed flag twirlers (think high school and college half-time shows, of all things.
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) i'm not ambidexterious on this one yet, though. hope this comes across intelligable and not as the usual incoherent rambling....------------------"life begins between the night and the light."


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GodlovinSponge
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Posted:Yea, I find that move real easy too. I played badminton in school and I was always doing it whenever I had my badminton racket. Course, its alot easier with something that thin. WIth my long staff the wieght always ends up making the spin to fast and I lose it... more practice I suppose so I can do it with some good speed.
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Cantus
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Posted:I've been thinking of getting more into wraps. i was talking today with this guy that does devil sticks today and we came up with some theoreticals that i'm going to test tomorrow.If all goes well I'll post the results.

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TheGrynygogg
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Location: England, just north of London
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Posted:I agree with Teine on this one. The Finger-wrap thing is a continuous one-handed spin. I have heard rumour that finger spinney stuff isn't good for staffers to do but if it looks good then why not?

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SickpuPpy
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Posted:The "finger spinny" stuff is very bad to do in a fighting context. When I started learning staff waaaay at the beginning of my journey through the martial arts, I used to play with the finger spinny stuff, 'cuz it looked cool. my teacher yelled at me a lot for this, so I had to work very hard to break myself of that habit. Now I have to work twice as hard to get it back. The reason it's bad to do, in case you're wondering, is that if the staff get's hit in the wrong point of the spin you can break your fingers and do all sorts of weird muscle damage. Fingers break quite easily, and staffs have a lot of leverage and a lot of torque for such small muscles. In a strictly fire context, I don't see how there is much harm in it. In fact it looks pretty cool. But maybe the fighting thing is where the rumor you heard came from. ------------------If you love something, set it on fire.

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Posted:um sick puppy - from a Martial Arts perspective finger twirling is more risky becuase if your opponent hits your staff while you are finger spinning most likely you will drop it and be disarmed. The only plausible way you could get broken fingers while spinning a staff is if your opponent whacks your fingers (which applies to normal grip just as much). Sure fingers are easily broken, but they can sure bend a lot of different ways before they break.Josh

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TheGrynygogg
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Posted:In respect to martial arts, doing the finger spinny thing from afar to imtimidate your opponent would be quite good but actually doing it at close range would be foolish. That is what I think anyhow, so there.I was only talking from a staffers point of view on spinning a staff continually in one hand.

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SickpuPpy
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Posted:Actually, Josh, that's not true. I have seen with my own two eyes some one doing the finger spins and his staff hit a wall when he wasn't paying attention to what was around him. We all heard a sick crunching sound and he, we found out later, tore the bones in his middle and ring finger completely out of socket and he had some resulting muscle tears as well. Poor guy couldn't use his hand for months. This was actually the reason that my old sensei lectured everyone on this point so much.Granted It isn't a very common injury, but it is possible, it does happen and people should know about it so that they can avoid it, as it is an easy thing to avoid.------------------If you love something, set it on fire.

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Posted:Eeewww! coudl you explain that again Sick Puppy...------------------Charles (AKA INFERNO)newdolbel@hotmail.comhttp://juggle.co.nz/fire/fire.html

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Cantus
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Posted:Please don't. Email him with the details if you must but don't explain on here. Some of us have weak stomachs - others have weak minds. I go for a delicate balance between the 2.....------------------C@ntusThere's only one way of life and that's your own.

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o-o
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Location: london, england
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Posted:anyway, getting back to topic (queasy readers are warned that pole spinning has pg 13 recommended)when the pole is spinning quite quickly its natural feeling to just let go at one extremity of the grip (thumb/little finger ends) and then turn your hand (with open fingers) in the opposite direction to spin, the staff falls right into the palm, with grip slightly off center. throwing is a natural feeling way of correcting this, but another way is to pass the staff across the body (as in normal rotor fig8) and then let the long side roll into the other hand. repeat the roll/handwrap on that same side side and switch back, nowgofaster.this is a good way of really working some speed into the staff before a throw, if you throw it high you can get 4 mebbe 5 circles - look out below!cheerso-o

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