frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
Heads up.... didn't think this sorta thing was easily available:


Non-Https Image Link


could be very interesting.... they're in Adelaide - anyone over in Australia fancy checking this out? or already checked it out?

ps. forgot the URL - Flame FX - their image links are broken though

I know the coloured flame stuff on here, but never seen proper oils etc sold for coloured flames, apart from this

[ 09. October 2003, 01:08: Message edited by: frostypaw ]

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PoiBoxmember
85 posts
Location: Bangkok


Posted:
Looks like something for the HOP shop! Add this and extrabright glowsticks and my next order is out . . .

Thanx for the link

telicI don't want a title.
940 posts

Posted:
But the website says not to mix their oils with regular lamp oil. My wicks, of course, have regular lamp oil residue on them. And I bet this oil leaves residue for a few burns, too. Think we'd end up having to buy different wicks for each color?

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DeepSoulSheepDeepSoulSheepGOLD Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,617 posts
Location: Berlin, Ireland


Posted:
I for one would be willing to have fresh wicks it it really looks like it does in the pic...

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frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
quote:
Think we'd end up having to buy different wicks for each color?
That's so going to end up at the top of any shopowners reasons why to sell this stuff

I suspect it's because of the same problem as so many find playing with boric acid mixes - the paraffin still there pollutes it and it goes back to a yellow flame

thing is... even if it's not as big a flame as plain ol' paraffin sod it... to be able to have one blue and one red firepoi? Now THAT I might be willing to do anything for.

If none of our antipodean friends have tried this stuff or want to i'll bloody well order some

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Foraumember
81 posts
Location: EIndhoven, Holland


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by frostypaw:
quote:
Think we'd end up having to buy different wicks for each color?
thing is... even if it's not as big a flame as plain ol' paraffin sod it... to be able to have one blue and one red firepoi? Now THAT I might be willing to do anything for.


Well, why dont you use two wicks and mark them somehow(maybe at the cord of *the thing where you put your fingers in* and have one specific blue wick and one red?

DeimosDeimosBRONZE Member
Cinnamon Girl
191 posts
Location: Hfx, NS, Canada


Posted:
This is re-goddamn-diculous. I'm scared to get too excited since this seems a little too good to be true! Aromatherapy scented, less harmful to the environment and freakin BLUE???
Damn

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telicI don't want a title.
940 posts

Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by frostypaw:
If none of our antipodean friends have tried this stuff or want to i'll bloody well order some
Mrow. Please order it and tell us how it goes!

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thrillzmember
6 posts

Posted:
Hi guys I'm an Aussie. I will be looking into this stuff however I have my final high school exams coming up so It might take a while
I will post how it goes.

Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)resident bagpiper
342 posts
Location: Vermont, USA


Posted:
this pyrotechnic agency is really a reseller of feuls from www.colorcorona.com in korea, they have good prices. check it out, thats where to get the "lamp Oil" you need

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A:The Great Highland Pipes burn longer.


Big AndyBRONZE Member
member
186 posts
Location: Dallas, Tx, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by frostypaw:
thing is... even if it's not as big a flame as plain ol' paraffin sod it... to be able to have one blue and one red firepoi? Now THAT I might be willing to do anything for.

If none of our antipodean friends have tried this stuff or want to i'll bloody well order some

Ha ha, yeah, I might try to get my hands on some just to do my own experiments.

And yes, the ability to have different colored poi with a readily available oil is GREAT! I love the idea of colored fire poi, but I don't want to mess with mixing a witches brew of chemicals to do it!

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Big AndyBRONZE Member
member
186 posts
Location: Dallas, Tx, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Mark1:
this pyrotechnic agency is really a reseller of feuls from www.colorcorona.com in korea, they have good prices. check it out, thats where to get the "lamp Oil" you need
Okay, I tried going to colorcorona.com, but it didn't work. A quick Google search for corona and oil, and I came up with Magic Corona, www.colorflames.us

At this link, I found the bottles of oil for sale. They are expensive!! 20 bucks for 30 ounces of oil?? I might just stick to Coleman's white gas for 3 bucks a gallon, lol. I guess it's worth it for the colors, as long as you save it for special occasions, and not just burn it for the hell of it, lol.

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pimember
7 posts
Location: melbourne, australia


Posted:
there's an important note on the colorflames.us 'how to use' page:
quote:
Light the wick. The flame color will become vivid and natural after 5- 10mintues.
i suspect that most problems with getting coloured flames from the many possible suggestions is that it requires a certain temperature to be reached before the chemicals will react desirably - possibly not temperatures that fire tools don't reach in time.

the shit ain't over until the last record spins


DarkDevilDarkDevilmember
233 posts
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland.


Posted:
how about if the oil was kept in a open can of some sort, was lit 5 minutes before the show, and stayed lit during the entire show, and when your going to spin you just dip your wick into the lit oil

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musashiimusashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
sounds extremely dangerous..you dont have a way to spin off, so when you spin, you have nice pretty arcs of coloured fuel flying into the audience..perhaps exstinguishing it before soaking could be an option, I'd love to hear if anyone tries this out..I dunno tho(in retrospect), since it's a patented mixture, there's no way to get an msds sheet on the fuel either, so you don't really know all the associated risks either.

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ben-ja-menben-ja-menGOLD Member
just lost .... evil init
2,474 posts
Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
i happen to live in adelaide and called the guy up he said its $44 for 500mL im going to go and check it out later in the week as he has samples that he said i can have a burn with. if u buy in bulk its $36 for 500 mL but u have to buy 24 bottles ..... may be cool for a bday burn or something.

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shoddygoodsshoddygoodsmember
18 posts

Posted:
ok... so i'm a bad pooty-tat, it took me a while but i managed to dig up a patent # of 6,488,726 for this stuff, while it goes into length about how the things are mixed and put into solution and bla bla bla..

i found these bits interesting:
green: hmmm... look familiar?
Boric Acid
red: how about this? hmmm...
Lithium Stearate or Strontium colloidal solution
orange:
Borax and Sodium Chloride
blue:
Copper Chloride
pink:
strontium chloride
violet: this would be sooo sweet!
cerium chloride
light purple:
cesium chloride

other interesting notes:
The products of this invention are not non-polar compounds, such as petroleum and paraffin, and, as solvents, enable coloring agents to be dispersed easily, but this invention's products are poorly absorbed through wicks. In this reason, as a capillary linker, lauryl alcohol is added. Lauryl alcohol disperses easily in compounds; such as propylene glycol, ethylene glycol mono ethyl ether, methyl ether, or ethyl ether, and its fatty acid supply continuously lamp fuel to the wick.

Most importantly:
if you have no idea what all this means then your best bet is to leave it alone. but if you do... feel free to share some more insite with me.

frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
does it mention what the fuel base is that they're dissolving the compounds in?

it's no real surprise that they're using those chemicals - it's more how they're making it work so nicely y'see

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shoddygoodsshoddygoodsmember
18 posts

Posted:
the solvents are really no big surprise either...


here is the link to the patent:
https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parse...6&RS=PN/6488726

the individual colours very, some requre heat and pressure, others seem to be done around 50.degree. C.

blue:
Ratio (%, w/w) Ingredients
001.0 about 5 Copper Chloride
005.0 Ethyl Alcohol
050.0 Propylene Glycol
035.0 Ethylene Glycol mono Ethyl Ether
009.0 Butanol
002.0 about 3 Lauryl Alcohol
005.0 Camphor
000.1 Turpentine oil
100 Total

In method of manufacturing the lamp fuel composition for blue colored flames, 5% (w/w) of copper chloride(CuCl2) as coloring agent was added to ethyl alcohol and was stirred at room temperature to be completelydissolved, and subsequently propylene glycol, butanol, and ethylene glycol mono ethyl ether were added and stirred at 50.degree. C. for 25 minutes, and then after 2% (w/w) of lauryl alcohol, camphor, and turpentine oil were added and stirred at 50.degree. C. for 25 minutes, the resulting mixture was cooled to room temperature, stored in a storage tank, and supplied for experiments.



here's what else ive figured out:
the camphor and turpentine oil are for smell and to increase heat power...
and it seems as though the lauryl alcohol helps by lending capillary action allowing it to "wick".

so it looks like it comes down to the:
5% Ethyl Alcohol
(ethanol) (found in various beverages, also industrial solvent, afinity for organic compounds)
35% Ethylene Glycol mono Ethyl Ether
(component of many cleaning agents, epoxy coatings, paints, hydraulic fluid)
50% Propylene Glycol
(apparently a safe anti freeze. also used in cosmetics, weight 8.61 pounds per gal, cost about $13us gal)
9% Butanol
(butyl alcohol) (fermented from corn used in flavoring extraction, resins, lacquers, bake fluid)

how's that? better?

shoddygoodsshoddygoodsmember
18 posts

Posted:
oops... double posted..

Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)Singed Piper (formerly Mark1)resident bagpiper
342 posts
Location: Vermont, USA


Posted:
sorry, i did get the site wrong, its

look for torch oil

www.saintcross.com is the main site

i don't know where these other prices are coming from, but i e-mailed the guy and got these prices

TORCH OIL 500ml 009L 020L
blue/red/yellow/green $005.50 $049.00 $180.00

this is listed as unit price in FOB korea(whatever that means(explain please))

about the 10 minute thing, remember that these use initially dry hemp wicks, that might have an impact, the issue might be regarding getting continuous capillary action in the dry wicks(an issue nonexistant in soaked wicks.

at these prices/it seems worth it

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A:The Great Highland Pipes burn longer.


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