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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

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playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingd...

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Posted:Has anyone ever lost a fire poi while spinning? I'm a little worried about losing one of my homemades.

Any recomendations for how to eliminate the risk of chain snapping or anything else that could go wrong? What size chain is best to use?


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RoDuS


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Location: Australia qld

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Posted:i seen a guy set a roof of a shed on fire with a home made staff.

I never used/made poi so i cant give you any building advise but what i can set is just stress test them when there are not on fire go as hard as you can.

good luck.


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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom

Total posts: 3136
Posted:I accidently let go of one a few weeks ago for the first time, in clapham of all places. Was spinning far enough away from people to hit anyone, but did freak me out a bit. Problem is that I'm doing lots of throws now, and after catching i hafta wait for a stall to get my fingers back in the loop. Until then it's usually not a problem, cause i just hold the handle tightly, but when spinning fast with the handle coated in paraffin it just flew off.

As for chain snapping, welded chain won't snap from doing poi. If you arn't using welded chain then you're just asking for an accident, decorating chain is not designed to take any real load.


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frostypaw


Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent

Total posts: 643
Posted:and look out for swivels

i just experienced my first poi death from a swivel popping out mid-TTN turn waaaaaaaah christ knows how i found the ball


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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Dunc

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by flid:
If you arn't using welded chain then you're just asking for an accident, decorating chain is not designed to take any real load. That's great advice on the chain, thanks. It's just stuff from B & Q and not welded or anything. Will thrash them as hard as poss first to see if they hold up. I've seen ball chain used but it looks like it'll last about one spin and scares me even more!


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Zoltar
BRONZE Member since Nov 2002

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Location: Beyond Time, South of Melbourn...

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Posted:Ball chain is great if you realise it's limitations - with time, it will break.

But you can't use any old ball chain.

Make sure you have stuff that is strong enough, like the stuff they sell in the shop here, and replace your chains regularly. I replace mine after 6 months.

be safe


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Xanath
BRONZE Member since Sep 2003

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Location: strongsville, ohio, usa

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Posted:i think i need to replace my chain. they have little time spinning on them, ive broken them twice though; once while i was doing a burning spin off with white gas, then when i was doing my wrap sets. I dont like how i break through it so quick but my freind has a set using towing chain. i do not like those. VERY uncomfortable for doing wraps!

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:perhaps we need to re-evaulate where we're at when poie go bye byes in the middle of a set.

i'm a fan of the notion that one shouldn't mess with fire unless one has mastered twirling fire equipment without mistakes.

To Run before you can walk is an invitation for pain and madness. And possibly soiled undies.


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Xanath
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Posted:i agree, a flaming wick into a son of an attorneys lap, or someone to drunk or otherwise to intoxicated to knock one out of their lap could be messy. i always make sure i am plenty far from people or buildings when me and my freinds spin. i check my gear constantly for wear and tear, esspecially the chains. i agree, with you completely!

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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

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Posted:Totally agree Bender, I practise quite alot with the fire poi unlit to get used to the chain/weight etc and haven't had any major impact accurances, I can spin for quite a while now without making any contact with myself. The reflex to avoid yourself soon kicks in! It is more the spectators I was worried about than myself.

I have stress tested to chain (well me and my mate grabbed an end each and pulled really hard) but because it torque power while it's spinning I don't know how much pull the chain will be inflicted with/able to resist. Even though a fire head is relatively light it's pretty damn heavy while it rotating.

I think if I buy the stuff here I should be safe though, and I suppose it's bound to be more suitable than hardware store chain!

Thanks for all the safety tips guys!



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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

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Location: Adelaide, Australia

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Posted:welded chains are sometimes faulty, i had one break the first time i used my super poi (3 lots of wick seperated along a piece of pipe) the best way to make sure your chain is ok is with a yank test put a screwdriver in a vice, hook one end of the chain over it and put another screw driver in your hand and through the another end give it a couple of good hard yanks if its ok after that u know the welds are good. just make sure the vice is tight and that u pull the chain horizontal otherwise it may fling off at u

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:wow that yank test sounds more dangerous than just checking your passport!
wait a minute...


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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

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Location: Adelaide, Australia

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Posted:beats having flying flaming poi land on u ......

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falloutboy
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

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Posted:someone should do a yank test on Geroge Bush..


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bender
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still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:well, not in front of the children you're not...

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frostypaw


Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent

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Posted:quote:i agree, a flaming wick into a son of an attorneys lap, or someone to drunk or otherwise to intoxicated to knock one out of their lap could be messyLOL I love the order you've put those in

Doing the tug-o-war trick is probably your best bet for testing them at home, but hell you can always soak them and spin faster than you'd ever dare to with fire before lighting them as a test. might whack you with some fuel soaked kevlar, but at least it won't be burning and will give you the right idea

All ya can do is engrave in your memory the habit of checking every link and connector before each fire spin


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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

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Posted:am putting order in for fire equipment as no longer feel safe to make my own due to thoughts of George 'monkey boy' Bush performing a jerk test....any recommendations for what ends I should use? What are the differences? Monkey ball, cathedral ball, rope or wick etc etc.....

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

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Location: Auckland, New Zealand

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Posted:I'm no engineer, but surely doping a test like the TUG-O-WAR test (trying to keep it decent here) would put extra stress and possible metal fatigue on the links anyway...?

So by testing them, you may end up making them more likely to break?


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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by Charles:
I'm no engineer, but surely doping a test like the TUG-O-WAR test (trying to keep it decent here) would put extra stress and possible metal fatigue on the links anyway...?

So by testing them, you may end up making them more likely to break? That's just what I was thinking, it'd be a shame if during the testing you took them almost to breaking point, so they look ok but are just waiting to snap at the first hint of a spin.


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frostypaw


Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent

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Posted:But how else can you test it save risking destructive damage?

Chances are if it'll survive that without any visible damage then the forces from spinning will be tiny by comparison


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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

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Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom

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Posted:quote:That's great advice on the chain, thanks. It's just stuff from B & Q and not welded or anything. Will thrash them as hard as poss first to see if they hold up. I've seen ball chain used but it looks like it'll last about one spin and scares me even more!
Don't know about B&Q, but most stores (inc Homebase) have a weight rating on each chain they sell which they are guaranteed to hold. I'm not sure you could sue them if they break at that, but its worth getting one which has been tested to well beyond (10x?) the weight you will use (and remember the weight whilst spinning not stationary). By all means do your own testing afterwards, but personally i wouldn't trust my home brew tests before spinning fire, because i'm not a trained mechanical engineer.


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Dunc
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Posted:I'm with Charles on this one, if I put stress on them like a tug-o-war (again with the Bush references!!) I might take them past the limit they need to spin at and thus risk reducing their capability.
I will purchase some I think and then will know what I have to match when I make the next lot.

If only rope didn't burn........now that's got me thinkin!! how can I fire proof rope?!


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frostypaw


Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent

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Posted:kevlar?

Check this out and scroll down to "the wrappers"

i think i'd like a pair


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Dunc
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Posted:mmmm.....now they look enticing!! Anychance we could get some here please?.....pretty please?!!?!! They'd look great in the shop you know!!

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