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Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
*** disclaimer-type-thing ***

I do not recommend this design to anyone - it is provided as inspiration and as an idea to develope. As you can see from the other pics on the page, THESE TOYS ARE NOT SAFE. Don't even think about trying a similar design unless you are very experienced.

*** disclaimer-type-thing over ***

https://www.firedanceuk.com/ouch.htm


The wick got destroyed after about 2 burns, so now we have a bit of rope secured around the outside of the cage. The wick lasts a lot longer that way, and you get less of a molten metal build up. Also, the cage came off after a while and is now wired on rather than electrical-taped on (should have known that would happen... )

If any of you ignore my advice at the top of this post and make something like these, then please gimme some feedback about how it goes and any design alterations that worked.

Here's a vid of them in action:
https://www.firedanceuk.com/videos/Black_Bush_Jo_high.wmv

please right click and 'save target as'

Cheers.
Jo.

[ 11. September 2003, 21:40: Message edited by: Jo ]

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Taniwhamember
138 posts
Location: Aotearoa


Posted:
I was wondering if u forgot to add the steel wool?? Or will it just burn the metal cylinders and they act like the wool? And if so what type of cylinders are they??? And YES i know they are black bush but what type and ... Cage>?

Oh yea what disclamer was that, i didn't see one.

Its all just smoke and mirrors


Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,979 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
very saucy design mate!
5 stars for innovation!!!
btw i am curious about the name - there's a bb label on the bb pio, is this a UK thing? i'd liketh to knoweth.

thanks heaps for your cool-as contribution to the poi world!!!

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frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
Black Bush is a make of whiskey i think - just the bottles come in tough metal tubes - several other whiskeys etc do as well

gotta wonder how much steel wool you could pack into that - and/or other burny things that could be fun - variable burn!

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Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,979 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
hmm now all is made clear. thankyou for the light, frostpaw! methinks now we have a new way for whiskey bottles to make us ill

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[Nx?]BRONZE Member
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Location: Europe,Scotland,Both


Posted:
soo, let me see....

you drink two bottles of whisky, then you have theis faaaaaaaabuloius idea! and cos itsa whisky you still got the energy not only for constucting thease monsters, but burningthem too!

cool man, well done, might hafta pass on making my own tho...

Nice one jo.

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Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
I should have mentioned earlier, but this design will only work with Single Malts. I cannot condone the purchase of any other whiskeys.

Jo.

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UCOFSILVER Member
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15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
nice breast.

frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
Jo... just cos i gotta know - WHY?

are these to get a longer/more directional/controlled steelwool burn or for doing other tricks?

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WintermuteLost in the world but loving it :)
119 posts
Location: Maybe Oxford, maybe Brighton ;)


Posted:
Looks like a cool design, easy to reload with steel wool etc, etc and I suppose it would give you a more fountainy effect out of the bottom, not sure tho I'll have to make some and see I suppose.

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Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
Why?

These were the 3rd design I tried, and the reason I wasn't happy with the previous 2 designs was the utter lack of burn time (15 secs at the most)

These have a great burn time (between 45 secs and 1 min generally)

Any other beneficial effects are coincidental but, to be honest, there doesn't seem to be any advantages other than the burn time.

Jo.

[ 13. August 2003, 06:51: Message edited by: Jo ]

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colmPorn Appreciator
118 posts
Location: Ireland


Posted:
Just curious, is centrifugal force enough to push the wool?

And would some steel mesh between the wick and the tube keep those big molten lumps from coming through?

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squarefishSILVER Member
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
403 posts
Location: the state of flux, Ireland


Posted:
Just been doing some reasearch with Black Bush type poi, points I've noted so far include;

1. The wicking doesn't seem to be essential at the bottom of the can, the wool burns fine without it.

2. You need A LOT of room to do this safely make sure that the neighbours are away and you try it out just after its been raining (everything nice and wet )

3. It is essential that the cage is positioned some distance from the lower opening of the can, this allows the hot burning wool to peel away from the unburnt section. This also prevents the wire wool from clogging the outlet.

4. Yep, centrifugal force is more than enough to push down the wool, the inside of the cans are pretty slick.

5. Steel mesh at can opening = bad idea. Instant cloggage occured, with a white hot lump of molten steel inside the tube (didn't I feel safe! )
This may work however if the mesh is off-set from the tube mouth as with the wire cage.

Sparkly fun!!!

Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
Nice one, Squarefish.

What's the best burn time you've got?
Do you ever have one going out early, leaving unburnt steel wool? - That happens to mine sometimes.

Jo.

[ 11. September 2003, 21:39: Message edited by: Jo ]

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squarefishSILVER Member
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
403 posts
Location: the state of flux, Ireland


Posted:
The problem with early extinguishing of the steel wool seems to rely on how tighly its's packed; too tight and it goes out, like any other fuel it needs oxygen to burn (except thermite, lets not go there!)

Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
Thermite.... now that brings back memories....

Somtimes I wonder how I survived my childhood

Anyways, I'm with you re: not packing it too tight. I do like to have that bit of wickage for just in case though...

Jo.

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frostypawGreat balls of fire
643 posts
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent


Posted:
Might be slightly off topic but...

thermite = crack for pyros

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squarefishSILVER Member
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
403 posts
Location: the state of flux, Ireland


Posted:
Crack for pyros eh? sounds nice....

What about mixing in magnesium or titanium flakes with the steel wool; crackling white sparks and mini suns anyone?
(I'll have my order of bandages on the side with the burn dressing, please waitress....)

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originalsmitSILVER Member
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469 posts
Location: nottingham, england. cornwall wales denmark or pra...


Posted:
WOW
that looks......really really really good fun.
im going to make some.

step one. buy some whiskey
he he he he.

ive thought about putting magnesium ribbon n with the wire wool i use in cages. but

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musashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
but you realized you liked your body without lookin like swiss cheese? spank Magnesium strips will burn through an engine block..

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MillenniuMPLATINUM Member
Hyperloops suck
595 posts
Location: USA


Posted:
Wear a sweatshirt. A sweatshirt thicker than an engine block. Duh.

darkpoetBRONZE Member
Irish
525 posts
Location: Dallas.........ish, USA


Posted:
the thermite is what burns through the engine block, the magnesium is just needed to start the thermite umm
an idea ive been working on is a cage built in layers, but the only issue i keep getting is that it takes about 5-10 min to "reload" the cages w\ more wool
another design ive been using holds around 10 pads of wool in each cage, but the issue of the wool compacting on itself is really becoming a mad pain in the ass, pretty good show though........ive been getting a burn time of almost a minute of solid streaming sparks...working on making it to 5 min or so...any new designs or ideas ill def. post because this has been an issue of mine for quite some time
oooh and anybody that has a pic of these black bush poi things should get it to me, i could probably improve the design and get back to you w\ me modifications ubbloco

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originalsmitSILVER Member
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Location: nottingham, england. cornwall wales denmark or pra...


Posted:
link topics of black bush poi??

at the top of the page mate



right then guys seriously now, a little bit of research is needed. if this magnesuim is safe im going to do it. if its not safe im not but if it is then i will. but if its not then i wont.

yes??

or

no??

my theory is that the cages spinning will force all the sparks magnesuim etc out of the bottom going in a harmless arc away from me as does the red hot metal of the molten wire wool.

or will it mould into a huge ball of molten metal with the magnesuim inside which then ignites and expodes spraying huge amounts of molten metal into my face.

i could do with finding out before i do it.

im going to do my own research but as they say two headsa re better than one



quote]

another design ive been using holds around 10 pads of wool in each cage, but the issue of the wool compacting on itself is really becoming a mad pain in the ass, pretty good show though........ive been getting a burn time of almost a minute of solid streaming sparks...working on making it to 5 min or so...any new designs or ideas ill def. post [quote





dont understand whenever i do sparks they always compact in on themselves and its the g force forcing its way through forcing the metal to sqeeze out of the bottom that causes the sparks.

it also causes big molten lumps. are you sparking differntley to me.??

if so how.?

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darkpoetBRONZE Member
Irish
525 posts
Location: Dallas.........ish, USA


Posted:
magnesium wont explode...not the way your thinking at least, thats a combustion reaction......only when you mix mg with the proper chemicals will it to that

but magnesium i think is the hottest burning metal out there w\ temperatures higher than the temp of the sun (ie LOOK IT UP!!)



on the topic of my cages i use .....erm....methinks its called chikenwire

either way its very strong (hard as hell and time consuming to shape properly), its of a metal that conducts heat very very well so when im spinning the metal doesnt melt, i use 0 guage (sp?) and 00 guage steel wool in combinations, and the cages have a crosswork so that the wool gets airated and throws the sparks

remember to get the sparking effect you need oxygen to fuel the heat...(any sort of combustion needs 3 things....air, fuel, and heat)

either way if you get a few pads of 0000 guage steel wool and connect a 6v battery to it

youll see it start to glow, and burn, now blow on the wool and it gets much brighter...also means that its getting hotter, the brighter it is the faster it burns, and the less amount of sparks thrown off

ex.




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just an example...this was before i got the design perfected..bout half the size of what i do now.......if i can figure out the time element then ill def post me findings.............so yeas......

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kats_on_fire_againnewbie
1 post
Location: NSW, Australia


Posted:
oi....are you talking bout the cage poi....? they are so easy! i used them on like my second time...so easy...btw im not bragging about it, im just saying it depends how confident you are and all that
rock on-kat

UCOFSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
well...this is an odd thread to bump as your first post
umm

I think these black bush poi are extreeme versions of wire cages as you can *really* pack in the wire wool tightly into the whiskey tubes.

smile

PyroWillGOLD Member
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4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
the link isnt working for me

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onewheeldaveGOLD Member
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3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom


Posted:
Firedanceuk.com is down.

Written by: kats_on_fire_again


oi....are you talking bout the cage poi....? they are so easy! i used them on like my second time...so easy...btw im not bragging about it, im just saying it depends how confident you are and all that
rock on-kat




Jo and Liams Black Bush Poi design was a very extreme form of cage poi; a mistake while using them could be very, very dangerous.

Due to the large amounts of wire wool used and the heat from long burns, they tended to throw off largish chuncks of molten steel.

Jo put pictures of a nasty scar that resulted from using them, luckily it was on his chest, but still harsh.

Although dangerous and requiring a lot of prep for each burn, the results were exceptional- after much development they were getting minute-long burns of the best sparky poi I've seen.

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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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squarefishSILVER Member
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
403 posts
Location: the state of flux, Ireland


Posted:
VERY!
(nice)
(sparky)
(+horribly dangerous)

originalsmitSILVER Member
addict
469 posts
Location: nottingham, england. cornwall wales denmark or pra...


Posted:
Now have a few bits and bobs regarding my own design of cage poi.
have a look at www.fieldsoffire.uni.cc
www.fieldsoffire.cjb.net

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Jomember
517 posts
Location: Sheffield, England


Posted:
What a surprise to see this thread still going!

Shame the old pictures and video's aren't available though.

Kat, I think you should respect sparkly poi of any type as by far the most dangerous type of poi. You must respect them a lot, but even so you will still get burnt. Always be extremely careful and always wear goggles - no matter how good, confident, or brave you are.

Jo.

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