Spanner
Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...
Member Since: 27th Feb 2003
Total posts: 2790
Posted:I should have my fire poi delivered tomorrow morning to spin that night. It will be my first time with them, although I did have a go with fire on FireMonkey's staff.

So, if there were one piece of advice relevant to tomorrow night's burn you'd give me, what would it be?


"I thought you are man, but
you are nice woman.

yay,

:R"

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Fire Monkey
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Location: Chandlers Ford (near Soton)UK
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 176
Posted:Tell fire monkey where?

Every ones a monkey!
Yes even you!

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polythene
veteran
Location: London/ Surrey
Member Since: 15th May 2003
Total posts: 1359
Posted:savour you first burn, and get someone to take a picture.

The optimist claims that we are living in the best of all possible worlds.
The pessimist fears this is true.

Always make time to play in the snow.

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Element
member
Location: Carmichael
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 5
Posted:Get someone to record it if you can, so that when you get good, you can look back at how much more you hit yourself.

You don't suck, I'm just really good. -Element

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Ade
Are we there yet?
Location: australia
Member Since: 14th Mar 2001
Total posts: 1897
Posted:oooh, that's very exciting

one piece of advice? be ready for the fantabulous noise that new fire poi make


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Member Since: 27th Mar 2003
Total posts: 2109
Posted:Dont burst into flames.

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me

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Spanner
Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...
Member Since: 27th Feb 2003
Total posts: 2790
Posted:Ooh - today's the day
So on my list is...
*Fire poi
*Paraffin
*Lighter
*Water spray
*Blanket
*Camera
*Film
*Batteries
*Blagging skill to use on kind friend with video camera
*Spontaneous Combustion mode switched off

er...Gosport, FireMonkey, because my friend wants a go too.

By the way...how does one put them out in an EMERGENCY?


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you are nice woman.

yay,

:R"

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 3749
Posted:FIRE BLANKET!!! or wet woolen one.

T

yeah, savior it, first burns like nothing else, woooooshwoooooshwooosh YAY!


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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by )spanner(:
Ooh - today's the day
So on my list is...
*Fire poi
*Paraffin
*Lighter
*Water spray
*Blanket
*Camera
*Film
*Batteries
*Blagging skill to use on kind friend with video camera
*Spontaneous Combustion mode switched off

er...Gosport, FireMonkey, because my friend wants a go too.

By the way...how does one put them out in an EMERGENCY? If you've got longish hair a wooley hats a good idea as the most common minor emergency for beginners is setting their hair on fire.

A small bucket of water/wet towel is good for emegencies and for soaking small burns.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

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Pooh-Bah
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Member Since: 27th Mar 2003
Total posts: 2109
Posted:You can put flaming poi out using a wet towel. Just put em on the ground and throw the towel over em. If youre using parafin, you can also dunk em in your dip bucket really quick to put em out.

Fire extinguisher is best for extreme emergencies.


Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me

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Fire Monkey
member
Location: Chandlers Ford (near Soton)UK
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 176
Posted:

Every ones a monkey!
Yes even you!

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Fire Monkey
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Location: Chandlers Ford (near Soton)UK
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 176
Posted:Yay for spanner...
O.k let me see,

.. Make sure you've soaked the poi for like 12 hours to make the wick last longer.
.. Wear a Beany hat, you don't wanna wreck those dreads.
.. Have someone to give them to, because your arms will probably wanna fall off and the flames wont wanna stop.
.. Have a relaxing smoke (most important), and a few ales.
.. Don't worry to much if it hits you, it never makes too much damage.
.. If your not near a sink take some baby whipes.
.. If you can dampen you hair/clothes it helps.
.. If your lungs are up to it you can blow them out, and it saves the wicks.
.. If you have parafin you can put them in the jar straight away to save the wick.

Take it easy.


Every ones a monkey!
Yes even you!

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DeepSoulSheep
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin
Member Since: 25th Sep 2002
Total posts: 2617
Posted:You should get a swimmming cap so you don't burn your hair, arm bands so you can do bicep wraps, swimming goggles so you don't poke yourself in the eye and flippers so you look cool.

Most importantly have fun


I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:quote:*Water sprayBecause you're a BAD DOG *spray* BAD BAD DOG *spray* *spray*

My flatmate's FireMonkeyPoi should be with us tomorrow too... that should be fun we're still only just learning and well...

BIIIIIIIG wet towel will be at hand


I can SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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BlackFireJack
member
Location: Bergen , Norway
Member Since: 16th Dec 2002
Total posts: 167
Posted:First burn.....take of the t-shirt ......
so you get the feeling of the fire close to bare skin , best way to go
it will also help you controlling the poi's ....cause if it get's to warm you slow down


I like Fire.. :)

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telic
I don't want a title.

Member Since: 26th Jun 2003
Total posts: 940
Posted:Speaking of saving your hair... I have long floofy curls, so I braid my hair, tie the braid up, damp down the remaining frizz, and tie a wet bandana over it all. Then I feel completely safe. ^^ (Me, paranoid? Naaaah.)

And more importantly: post photos for us to see afterwards!


E pluribus unum, baby.

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 3749
Posted:fire monkey said quote:Have a relaxing smoke (most important), and a few ales.Id leave out the few ales part, and the smoking if you dont do it regularly.

my advise, dont trust all the advise you get of the net.

T


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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:Fire Monkeys list had some good advice on it, but I agree that 'a few ales' are the last thing a fire newbie needs.

Fire spinning is relativly safe, but it can go wrong, you need a clear head.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

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Fire Monkey
member
Location: Chandlers Ford (near Soton)UK
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 176
Posted:Maby i didn't quite exsplain myself....I find the most important thing during fire spinning is to be relaxed. Nearly all incidents that i've had have been due to being nervious/ on edge. Anna has had plenty of practice and i'm sure she knows her limits, i don't exspect anyone to have there first burn pissed. Just the first time with fire can be a bit daunting.

Every ones a monkey!
Yes even you!

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NYC
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NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Lies!

quote: .. Make sure you've soaked the poi for like 12 hours to make the wick last longer.
This is a lie. It is unnecessary and purely a waste of time.

It also happens to be my pet peeve.

As for:
quote: .. If you can dampen you hair/clothes it helps.
I'd disagree. Wetting clothes can cause steam burns. If I handcuff myself over dry denim sleeves, leather sleeves, or the kevlar sleeves I wear I know I've got a decent amount of time before I will start doing irreprerable burn damage to my skin. If they were wet, the steam burns will start almost immidiately.

quote: .. Have a relaxing smoke (most important), and a few ales. Yes, if you spin drunk you'll have hopefully passed out by the time the ambulance arrives and your friends won't have to put up with your screaming.

Yeah, I know I'm being a bit sarcastic but there are some really dangerous rumors being spread out there. Wetting clothes is dangerous, spinning after drinks is stupid, presoaking virgin wicks is a waste of time.

Hate me.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC- Live in London:
[QB]

As for:
.. If you can dampen you hair/clothes it helps.

I'd disagree. Wetting clothes can cause steam burns. If I handcuff myself over dry denim sleeves, leather sleeves, or the kevlar sleeves I wear I know I've got a decent amount of time before I will start doing irreprerable burn damage to my skin. If they were wet, the steam burns will start almost immidiately.Steam burns are being mentioned a few times on this forum with no explanation of their specifics.

Can you clarify what they are and how they occur.

as you spoke of handcuffing yourself and of kevlar sleeves I assume you're not talking about straight spinning but possibly some form of escapology act?

If so, does your experience of sustained heat close to your skin necessarily relate to that of damp clothing being hit momentarily by a burning wick?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just genuinly want people who have experienced steam burns to share that experience so good decisions can be made about the usefulness of water as a safety precaution.

At the moment the people who bring up steam burns aren't really making it clear what context they are talking about, some clarification would help.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:Just done a search on 'steam burns' and got the following: -

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi
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the last two are really interesting, consensus at the time seemed to be that the pros of wet towels etc outweighed the slight risk of steam burns.

[ 05. August 2003, 01:59: Message edited by: onewheeldave ]


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:Sorry, that link doesn't seem to work in spite of being a copy and paste from the search results page.

If you want to check it out, do a search in technical discussions using steam burns and it should take you there.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:bada-bing!

Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always

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Spanner
Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...
Member Since: 27th Feb 2003
Total posts: 2790
Posted:It's getting hot in herre...
Well I got back from my weekend in Gosport today and now I have the cheek to show may face in here and say I didn't burn! My 'safety officer' (aka my blokie ) wasn't ready for me yet. That might have had something to do with the fact I set the wax on my dreads on fire while trying to spark Aretha (didn't lose any). So we have to wait until the man from Del Monte says 'Yes'. But keep it coming!


"I thought you are man, but
you are nice woman.

yay,

:R"

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 3749
Posted:Humm,

NYC is right, and its something i remeber from workin in kitchens. Wet cloth conducts heat very well, try picking up a hot pan with a wet dishcloth and youll see what i mean.

the reason wet cloth puts out poi is cos it cuts off the oxygen better, but wet cloths wont protect you from burns.

T


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MrConfused
MrConfused

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Location: I wish I knew
Member Since: 12th Jan 2002
Total posts: 529
Posted:Burn just as it's getting dark. It helps to be able to see what you're doing, as opposed to only being able to see the light from the wicks. Other than that, relax and enjoy it! Don't try anything you're not too sure of and you'll be fine. You're a hell of a lot better than I was when I had my first burn.

J


If you're not confused, you're not thinking about things hard enough.

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:I agree with NYC, he covered all the points I would.
OnewheeledDave, I just answered those questions over in Tech in the thread on Safety that you started. A fire blanket or a tight weave wool (like an army blanket) dry is the most optimal.

For your first burn here is my advice...

Don't do any move you aren't absolutely sure you could do in your sleep.

If you vary speeds, your arms will last longer, therefore longer fun!

I agree to do it at night, you get the full effect (and be forewarned...it is loud, hot, kind-of strobe lighty and did I mention loud? )

Wear clothes that do not have fringes or frays. This one gets people quite a bit!

Above all else have fun.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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