MikeIcon
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

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Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA

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Posted:Im curious as to weather or not there is good money in professional fire spinning. Ive been reevaluating my career goals lately and thought about going pro and being a spinner for hire. Is there good demand for this in the US? What kind of cash does one get per show? Etc.

Also, aside from just being hired to spin, one could become a teacher and hold classes that could net some side cash. And Ive also even thought about opening my own store with spinning supllies...Maybe make my own brand of poi and staves.

Anyone have any experience with any of this and could tell me the good/bad?


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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

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Location: High Wycombe, England

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Posted:I don't know about the rest of it, but if you're planning to start teaching, imagine teaching someone the weave. Then teaching someone else the weave, then teaching someone else the weave etc, etc, etc.

I imagine teaching lots of people the same moves would get pretty boring after a while.


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MikeIcon
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

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Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA

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Posted:Might be boring...But then again, what job isnt?

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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom

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Posted:When you're teaching moves, however basic, you have to find ways of explaining them, and different individuals have different ways of learning.
So teaching is something that you have to learn and improve at in the same way you constantly learn in spinning.
So, if that's what you're cut out to do then you won't find it boring.
In terms of work, in the UK there's some, but to make a living it's quite difficult finding enough work- some people do it but it but it's probably better if you've got some part time normal work as back up.
I know a few people who make a living from juggling/poi/performing/workshops and most of them seem to lose interest in the actual skills after a while cos' they do it all day. So making a living from it can ruin the hobby.


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NYC


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Location: NYC, NY, USA

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Posted:"Is there good demand for this in the US?"

No. Not when people are willing to do it for free. Also, consider who the fire community is, they're not rich certainly so you wouldn't be able to charge enough to pay rent, let alone health insurance.

I know that some people do it but from what I've seen they're not making their money back. I'd get a cush job and spin on the weekends. If you want to hold classes and make extra money, do it that way.


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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide, Australia

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Posted:yes you could be a professional fire spinner, but you would have to be a very good dancer, and be a multidimensional performer. you would also want to have a performance troop, you would have to differentitate yourself from other twirlers by doing choerographed shows etc.

i twirl with a performance group in adelaide for the joy or performing on stage, i most definately wouldnt want to rely on it as my main source of income though. we incorperate staff,poi,ribbons (like gymnasts do), capoeira (brazilian martial art), acrobatics most of the people that hire performers require you to be clean cut and very professional.

there are people that make a living of it like the fire flys have a look at the performs like on the site


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Astar


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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.

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Posted:I think there is money in it but you have to find your niche. I wouldn't really rely on it as a lifetime career.

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arashi


arashi

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Location: austin,tx

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Posted:money in fire dancing? where?
i'm broke as heck, and have been doing this a while. show me a rich dancer or theatre person and i'll show you somebody with a trust fund. do it cause you love it, and don't expect money, and don't expect to build a career unless you have a healthy body and a lot of time to sacrifice nice things like vegetables and dentists. career takes a while, that it does.


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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:/starts tearing through kevlar for purported 'money in poi'
oh dear.


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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

lurker
Location: Nashville, TN, USA

Total posts: 380
Posted:quote:Originally posted by bender:
/starts tearing through kevlar for purported 'money in poi'You should check through your tennis balls first. If you added a bunch of pennies, you could make them as heavy as your wicks (or as heavy as you want for that matter). Of course, you can "only get out as much as you put in". And it probably works with rocks too, if you're cheap.

On an 'on topic' note, there was a guy at 735 in New Orleans getting paid to spin glowsticks, and apparently fire as well. He's in the "meet others" section here on HoP as 'Rubin', but I don't think he posts regularly. I remeber him saying he had to spin glowsticks for 5-6 hours a night (without messing up), and like a 5 minute break every hour. Excessive stamina, and low risk tricks don't exactly make for the most exciting show, and if they made him put that much wear on his wicks, I doubt they lasted him long enough to make it worth the pay.

I'd say that if you're serious, start practicing a few hours a day on chaining repeatable moves, flexibility, and maybe adding in other skills (like martial arts, stilts, etc.) to stand out. Then be prepared to move to an area with established troupes and try to get in with one of them to get a handle on what's required to set up and maintain a full touring stage show. You'd have to be geared up to make enough to live on doing something you really, really love. But damn, would it be worth it.


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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

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Location: Nashville, TN, USA

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Posted:die double post, die.

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MikeIcon
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

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Pooh-Bah
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA

Total posts: 2109
Posted:quote:You should check through your tennis balls first. If you added a bunch of penniesOMG. Just today I filled my tennis calls with pennies to simulate the weight of my beaming poi...And I thought I was being clever.

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:I managed to support my wife and myself completely as a circus arts entertainer for almost a year...

But, that was teaching, doing teambuilding events, kids parties, corporate work, mcing, kids balloon sculpting, made to order balloon sculptures, clowning, unicycling, juggling, fireperforming, busking an dlots of other stuff i can't remember at the moment.

This is with myself as a pretty good marketing machine (Business development is what I've done for my last three jobs inclunding my current one).

And belive me, I didn't make my millions!

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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Location: , United Kingdom

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by arashi:
money in fire dancing? where?
i'm broke as heck, and have been doing this a while. show me a rich dancer or theatre person and i'll show you somebody with a trust fund. do it cause you love it, and don't expect money, and don't expect to build a career unless you have a healthy body and a lot of time to sacrifice nice things like vegetables and dentists. career takes a while, that it does. agreed!.

forunately i work for and suport myself through performing, just.... i'm with arashi, i'm broke as hell! through it.
i have to work 20 hours a week in a normal job just to ensure my rent and bills are paid.
also agreeing with dave that the love for what once was a hobby can die and die drastically.


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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

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still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:whoa man, that's heavy.
I dunno what i'd do without love of fire
probably trainspotting.


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

Total posts: 1841
Posted:I searched out and I found that two years ago UCoF was asking
about doing Poi for money and get nice answers. I was aksing
myself several times and people around me ask me too, if is
good to do it or no and what it brings.
(be patient to my english)


Well, well, I know this is huge community of people that like this
art and everything come with it togerther. There are some who
start right now and some who continue improving themselves.
For some of us its way how to save money too.

Poi have for me material and spiritual value. Spiritual in a way of
dance, movement, rhythm, circles or light and material in a way
of kevlar, chain, cover, books or cassets.

Then we go outside show poeple what we learn, what we do
and people react. Some of them clap one's hands, some smile
and for some people, the way to let know they like it, is to give
money.

The important Point is to understand not only that we will use
this money to repair our staff, to have what to eat and where to
sleep. Important is to understand our own value and how we
price ourself.


Cause its art and like every art it has uncountable value.


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Volcanogrrl
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

member
Location: Richland, WA, USA

Total posts: 9
Posted:I just stumbled onto this post. Lots of good feedback. I work full-time and love my job. But, I'm thinking of offering poi classes at the local dance studio in addition to my job. I also want to start offering poi performances for parties/etc.
I'm interested in people's experiences teaching classes and performing for hire.


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Meenik
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Meenik

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Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

Total posts: 272
Posted:I've been trying to make a go at it for two years... and sometimes think it was the wrong way to go. The studio almost did me in. It was really taking on too much at once and I lost a lot of money and it wasn't very fun.

Glittergirl in SF and the Temple of Poi... she's the person I know who has been the most successful at making an entire living from poi. I figured if she could do it so could I, but I don't have the business sense that she has.

I strongly recommend sticking with the day job and doing the teaching and performing on the side. I loved poi so much for so long, but after this past year I have a lot of difficult feelings to work through... I really want to find some other way of making money for a while so I don't have to do it through poi, then I play with poi for fun again.

...or maybe I'm actually going to pull it off. I'm about to release my instructinal DVD. Maybe it will do well, and I'll realize that I can make a living filming stuff about poi.

What I really need is a VERY FLEXIBLE day job :P


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

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Still wiggling
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

Total posts: 5967
Posted:It'll happen Meenik - and you completely deserve that success for what you have given to the community.

Don't give up biggrin

Everyone gets tired of their job at some stage, it doesn't matter what that job is.

But you are so good at your job that you can draw a powerful emotion... you can make a person smile all day, or even cry, from watching you dance.

The financial reward will come eventually rolleyes


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Posted:ditto Wholeheartedly agree biggrin

Definition of poi- A Hawaiian food made from the tuber of the taro that is cooked, pounded to a paste, and fermented.

Ahnold discussing poi - "It is naht a toober!"

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GlitterBubble
SILVER Member since Sep 2005

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Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:I saw Doreen Virtue last week (Clairvoyant and author of heaps of books on communicating with Angels and stuff).

Her advice was that no one should suffer in a job they don't like, no one should suffer full stop. That's not why we're here.

And DO WHAT YOU LOVE AND THE MONEY WILL COME


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

Total posts: 1841
Posted:"Do what you love and money will come."

I found the same resolution. Cause where is love inside, money meen nothing.

shine on you.

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*HyperLight
BRONZE Member since Dec 2003

*HyperLight

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Location: Great Malvern [UK]

Total posts: 1174
Posted:I know I for one will be buying that DVD. I was hypnotised watching you spin at Falmouth, and would dearly love to watch some more. Let me know when and where I can get my hands on a copy, and I'll be your first customer smile



I like the idea of building my LED poi and selling them as a full time job, but until they're ready (and assuming they sell), a day job is a necessity. Fortunately, I'm pretty happy with my job + it keeps food on the table and beers in my belly, which keeps me happy wink


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newgabe
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

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what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali, Australia

Total posts: 4030
Posted:Well, Nick, I feel the same about watching your film clips.. inspired and happy ubblove... and I am sorry that the studio wasn't a financial goer for you. A shame cos I was hoping to visit one day!

BUT I am delighted that you are coming here to us... bring lots of copies of the DVD! and at least you can have a wonderful trip to Australia out of it (I hope it's wonderful for you, I have no doubts it will be for us....!) hug



In a general sense, I do know some people *refrains from dropping son's name...umm d'oh* who have made a living out of fireshows and spinning for some years...a very very few people and I know what they've put into it... best wishes to anyone who goes that path!


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Volcanogrrl
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

member
Location: Richland, WA, USA

Total posts: 9
Posted:meenik -- Oh no! I was hoping to head up your way sometime in the winter -- do a little skiing, do a little spinning, get down. But I'm very interested in your DVD. Really. You bring a certain something to spinning that is uncommon -- while we're all out here spinning to dance/trance/techno/whatever, you're making a video with the soundtrack from Amelie. So, I'd love to get my paws on your DVD and be further inspired. I also was SO EXCITED to find your clip about spinning off excess fuel with minimal impact to the environment (on your site). Besides bringing lots of ideas to the (proverbial) table, you must be a responsible performer as well and that's admirable.
But, yeah, it's probably the case with self-employment in general. Besides loving what you do, you gotta love taking care of business too. Me, I'm keeping the day job because I like it, and hoping to do poi on the side -- not even because I'm a brilliant spinner, but because I enjoy teaching and introducing people to new things. LOVE the looks on people's faces when I hand them my poi and they learn "chasing the sun" or something like that.
anyway, good luck to all.


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*HyperLight
BRONZE Member since Dec 2003

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old hand
Location: Great Malvern [UK]

Total posts: 1174
Posted:Written by: Volcanogrrl
LOVE the looks on people's faces when I hand them my poi and they learn "chasing the sun" or something like that.
anyway, good luck to all.


I'd have to say I whole-heartedly agree with you on that one. When someone nails 3 beat weave, they almost glow biggrin


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Skulduggery
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales

Total posts: 8428
Posted:To answer the question in the title.



I would advise against using money to weight your poi. Paper money just isn't weighty enough and coins will hurt like ouchbumbuggerbolloxeeeak if they hit you! biggrin I'd stick to lentles, juggling balls or other medium weight squishy things.



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Total posts: 55
Posted:Picking up the odd corporate job here and there doin some fire spinning is a great way of gettin an extra 100 quid r so everynow and then but its pretty irregular... How many people usually need fire spinners per week?

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