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Fire Mama
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Location: West coast gal,Canada
Member Since: 1st May 2003
Total posts: 53
Posted:Hi folks
So here it is...the big question ....In your experience...do you vote for the cathedral type fire heads or the tube type poi heads. Which one and why?
(I love that all the little cartoon thingy's are happy faces)
Let's talk....


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.Morph.
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Location: Lancashire, UK
Member Since: 23rd Mar 2002
Total posts: 669
Posted:Cathedral wicks get my vote. I find them easier to make, cheaper - depending on how much kevlar you use), safer - they're a more solid structure & a decent thicknes eyebolt ain't gonna wear out anytime soon, & for the amount of kevlar they give off a bigger, brighter flame.

& it's easier to reverse the kevlar to extend they're lifespan.



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Astar
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:Cathedral.

Some of the reasons not stated here include better flame size/burn time per weight and size and they are softer when you hit yourself with them.


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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:tube core for beginners, cathedral when you've been spinning fire a few months.

Cathedral are generally heavier (mine are about 3 times heavier than tube core) and although don't hurt more (because they are softish) they are harder to control at first unless you're quite strong. They also have a bigger flame and much greater burn time.

( is this a happy face? no )


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Zoltar
Zoltar

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Location: Beyond Time, South of Melbourn...
Member Since: 6th Nov 2002
Total posts: 282
Posted:Cathedrals hands down

I have both types, but I find the flame off tube cores to be a little small and short lived for my liking. Once you get used to the weight of cathedrals nothing compares IMHO.



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TheBovrilMonkey
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Location: High Wycombe, England
Member Since: 3rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 2629
Posted:Cathedrals win my vote hands down.

Put simply, the flames are larger and they burn for longer.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Jello
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Location: Mpls, MN, USA
Member Since: 29th Jan 2002
Total posts: 646
Posted:I've only used cathedrals so I couldn't rely say.


or could I?



Yes, yes I can. Cathedrals are the best


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Fire Mama
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Location: West coast gal,Canada
Member Since: 1st May 2003
Total posts: 53
Posted:Well...there we have it folks...so far cathedrals win hands down! I've been spinning for almost 2 years and have never spun with the cathedrals so now I'm extra stoked to give it a go with all this feedback. Been doing preformances with a jazz piano player and find my poi go out way to quick so this will alleviate this problem (although we've inpro'd a candle dance into the whole thing while the poi refuel). Yay....so excited. Cheers

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Fire By Riz tm
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Location: tampa fl usa
Member Since: 31st Dec 2001
Total posts: 212
Posted:I was looking to add burn time for our poi section in my show we were getting roughly 2.5 mins with cathedral style wicks with 4 ft of 2x1/8 wicking burning 100%white gas wal mart brand colemans (which by the way is cheaper and burns cleaner and longer than the coleman brand)

So I figured i would make a set of tube core wicks to see if they burned longer using the same amount of wicking and fuel after about 20 burns we were getting the same burn time from the tube core wicks as the cathedral style wicks .
I did notice a smaller or I should say different flame from the tube wicks which was the down fall
but on the other hand the wicking on the tube style held up alot better.

even know my vote is on cathedral style wicks
the way I made the tube style was much easyier and didnt have much of a weight differance.and i didnt feel any differance in how the tube style felt while spinning .


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Catastrophic
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Location: Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Member Since: 15th Apr 2003
Total posts: 44
Posted:MONKEYFISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahahahahahaha

Thought I'd throw a little curveball in here...

Actually they are all I've ever spun, I like them becase they look clean and neat and *best of all* no exposed metal hardware on the ends, havent spun anything else, and havent done any burn tests...

Plus they are fun to make


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Ro
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Location: Kamloops, B.C, Canada
Member Since: 3rd May 2003
Total posts: 57
Posted:I like my home made cathedral heads... My complements to the woman who built them.

She has a different style off head... She called it a double cathedral wrap (I think it's the name for the tube wrap).. It looks very similar with the tube type, but the way she did it, there's no tube to speak of!

The only advantage I found between her's and mine are that they're small enough diameter to fit inside a 9 liter Kerosene jug... Other than that it burns pretty much the same length of time, but doesn't soak up as much fuel

but I like my heads better... Just because they soak up lots of kerosene


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FireTom
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Member Since: 20th Sep 2003
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Posted:*bump*

Cathedrals, if they are competing with metal tubes... Not just because of the flame, but also because of the screws.

But alltime favourites are still braids...


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havocangel
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Member Since: 19th Jun 2005
Total posts: 53
Posted:Cathedrals. They burn brighter, bigger, and longer. They're also easy to make and maintain, and can last for a few years if you take care of them. Monkey fist are nice, but they're expensive sense they require lots of wicking to make. Tube wicks are good for beginners, sense they have a short burn time.

Cathedral wicks are by far the best style in my opinion. Though I've seen some cathedral hybrid wicks that I'd like to try sometime.


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Masked52
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Location: Kiwi land sounds great!
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Posted:Cathedrals. Easy to make, and they set off a huge and nicely controlled flame.

Fire eaters are the most conceited people. Especially when they're on fire. "Help me, save me, put me out, me, me, me..."

-Paolo the Fire Eater

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Invader Xan
Invader Xan

Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
Location: Over the hills and far away
Member Since: 7th May 2005
Total posts: 479
Posted:May I vote for monkeyfists too? smile
Just because they rock...

If I had to pick though, I agree with tube cores for beginners and cathedrals for advanced.


"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky

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Skatto
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Walking on whims...
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Member Since: 12th Jan 2007
Total posts: 687
Posted:My first Fire Poi were Cathedrals.
Boy do I love them!!!! biggrin

Large flames, loud noise, and they burn for ages!!
My Cathedrals make my friend's Tube wicks look like puny childsplay. wink

I have never tried Monkey Fists... or Gorilla Fists... I really should at some point.


Skatto

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Run like a cushion,
Be the small bookcase."

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Fire_Moose
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Posted:offtopic

Is that Red XIII?


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Invader Xan
Invader Xan

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Location: Over the hills and far away
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Total posts: 479
Posted:Looks like him to me. biggrin

"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky

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UCOF
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Posted:Invader Xan- I love your avatar. Bender used to have an awesome Gir one. Have you seen this? I have one! biggrin

Ive always personally only owned tube core. I havent had the need to buy others. I find that monkeyfists have a very long burn time. Cathedrals, I havent used much so wont comment on.

weavesmiley


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Posted:i have kevlar wrapped around wire which also holds it all together (similar to tube core but without a metal tube), haven't had much experience with tube core and none with cathedrals or monkey fists so i can't really vote, the ones i have are pretty good though so ill vote for them.
home-made all the way....home. wink


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Fefnir
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Posted:Currently I'm liking monkey fist's better then my cathedral's. The cathedrals have a metal piece on top that burns pretty bad when doing wraps >.<. I'm tired of getting large burns on my arm, so I changed to monkey fist's.

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Invader Xan
Invader Xan

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Location: Over the hills and far away
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Posted: Written by: UnderControlOrFailure



Invader Xan- I love your avatar. Bender used to have an awesome Gir one. Have you seen this? I have one! biggrin





Why thank you. smile Made it myself one afternoon when I didn't have much else to do...



Oooo... Lovin' the box! If that isn't on my Amazon wishlist, it's going on there now. Who knows, maybe someone will buy it for me! biggrin


"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
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Skatto
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Location: Eastbourne, UK
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Posted: Written by: poje


offtopic

Is that Red XIII?



Why yes it is. biggrin


Skatto

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Run like a cushion,
Be the small bookcase."

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iamnickd
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Member Since: 18th Aug 2006
Total posts: 13
Posted:A friend of mine spins cathedrals and his go out about a minute or more before my tubes do. I've been spinning fire for almost a year, and have never had a problem with my tubes. They last forever, burn and durability, they're not as greedy as the cathedrals seem to be on fuel, and the bolts have never once cause a problem since they're recessed inward.

I'll probably get cathedrals next just to keep my options open, but I love my tubes, and I'm no beginner.


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