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old hand
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
i know the fire sword thing has been discussed, but i was wondering if anyone had any different ideas when using titanium, if that would be worse to use, or maybe better. i have the capabilities to weld it, basically what i have are titanium tubes to work with and all the tools to weld and add stuff to it. so any differences that people know if between using titanium and say aluminum would be greatly appreciated.
i know the fire sword thing has been discussed, but i was wondering if anyone had any different ideas when using titanium, if that would be worse to use, or maybe better. i have the capabilities to weld it, basically what i have are titanium tubes to work with and all the tools to weld and add stuff to it. so any differences that people know if between using titanium and say aluminum would be greatly appreciated.
anyone got a light?
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
okay,
how about a titanium staff? anyone interested?
okay,
how about a titanium staff? anyone interested?
anyone got a light?
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Location: South Africa
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Location: South Africa
Posted:
Wouldn't titanium be far heavier than aluminium for a staff? Although I must say I'm curious as well about what people think. I think it would just sound so cool to say, "I have a titanium staff"
Wouldn't titanium be far heavier than aluminium for a staff? Although I must say I'm curious as well about what people think. I think it would just sound so cool to say, "I have a titanium staff"
Mother always told me I'd wet my bed if I played with fire. Guess I'll just have to buy some rubber sheets.
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old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
personally i like my staff a little heavier than aluminum so my new titanium staff is perfect. the only thing i might have a problem with is getting the screws to thread. but i was thinking of maybe using lock tite, actually someone else told me to use it, but i dont think it would hold up to the flame, anyone know...
personally i like my staff a little heavier than aluminum so my new titanium staff is perfect. the only thing i might have a problem with is getting the screws to thread. but i was thinking of maybe using lock tite, actually someone else told me to use it, but i dont think it would hold up to the flame, anyone know...
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Location: madagascar, USA
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Posted:
i know that cabiri uses titanium fans, maybe contact them to find out how well that metal is working for them.
i know that cabiri uses titanium fans, maybe contact them to find out how well that metal is working for them.
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old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
thanks,
do you know how i could do that...
thanks,
do you know how i could do that...
anyone got a light?
poo-bah
1,015 posts
Location: Austin TX USA
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Location: Austin TX USA
Posted:
Titanium is very hard to machine. Rather than screwing into the titanium, you might want to drill holes and run your screws straight through, into nuts or (what I use) screw-posts on the other side. You'll have better radial balance that way, anyhow.
There's an excellent article on metallurgy for non-metallurgists at:
https://www.solace.mh.se/~turbo/mek/metals/metal.htm
It's really intended for cyclists (and so concerns itself mostly with steel, aluminum, and titanium), but it has *a lot* of useful information.
One neat property of Ti is its elasticity--I know that Charles has problems with his staff deforming plastically. With Ti, there's a much better chance that it'll snap back. I understand it's actually pretty weird in that respect.
Titanium is very hard to machine. Rather than screwing into the titanium, you might want to drill holes and run your screws straight through, into nuts or (what I use) screw-posts on the other side. You'll have better radial balance that way, anyhow.
There's an excellent article on metallurgy for non-metallurgists at:
https://www.solace.mh.se/~turbo/mek/metals/metal.htm
It's really intended for cyclists (and so concerns itself mostly with steel, aluminum, and titanium), but it has *a lot* of useful information.
One neat property of Ti is its elasticity--I know that Charles has problems with his staff deforming plastically. With Ti, there's a much better chance that it'll snap back. I understand it's actually pretty weird in that respect.
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Posted:
*Goes all bug eyed and starts drooling???*
So how much does it actually cost to get about 3m of titanium tubing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
*Goes all bug eyed and starts drooling???*
So how much does it actually cost to get about 3m of titanium tubing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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...in New Zealand...
...in New Zealand...
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Posted:
titanium is usually really pricey, so figure on two to three times more than pure aluminum. I say 'pure' as many places that people claim sell aluminum tubing, actually do not (like home depot, for example) they sell a steel/tin alloy that is much heavier and much cheaper than aluminum. It also retains heat for far longer than aluminum does too.
titanium is usually really pricey, so figure on two to three times more than pure aluminum. I say 'pure' as many places that people claim sell aluminum tubing, actually do not (like home depot, for example) they sell a steel/tin alloy that is much heavier and much cheaper than aluminum. It also retains heat for far longer than aluminum does too.
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old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
it is free,
well at least for me. but if you are extra nice...
it is free,
well at least for me. but if you are extra nice...
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enthusiast
237 posts
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Posted:
Titanium tubing for free!!
What does a man have to do to get free titanium?
Titanium tubing for free!!
What does a man have to do to get free titanium?
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Posted:
Come on Pozee, don't keep us in suspense...were you joking or being truthful about free titanium tubing?
Come on Pozee, don't keep us in suspense...were you joking or being truthful about free titanium tubing?
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Are we there yet?
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Location: australia
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Posted:
I don't know what a man has to do to get free titanium, but I got 2 free titanium screws in my hand after breaking it badly due to very poor cricket playing skills....
If you break enough bones, you might end up with enough for a staff...
I don't know what a man has to do to get free titanium, but I got 2 free titanium screws in my hand after breaking it badly due to very poor cricket playing skills....
If you break enough bones, you might end up with enough for a staff...
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old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
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Posted:
no joke. i am making a titanium staff as we speak. it is going to be tough, i would love to have some titanium self drilling screws, but i dont know where to find something like that. anyways...
no joke. i am making a titanium staff as we speak. it is going to be tough, i would love to have some titanium self drilling screws, but i dont know where to find something like that. anyways...
anyone got a light?
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Posted:
I think you should be able to use a tap on that Titanium, taps are made of EXTREAMLY hard metal, there isn't much that they cant cut through. (but then again I have never even touched Ti before, but it couldn't hurt to try.)
for that matter, we always just use wire to fasten our cotton towel wicks...
mmmm free Ti....
You see? There ARE advantages to working in a bomb factory...
[ 04 May 2002, 05:57: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
I think you should be able to use a tap on that Titanium, taps are made of EXTREAMLY hard metal, there isn't much that they cant cut through. (but then again I have never even touched Ti before, but it couldn't hurt to try.)
for that matter, we always just use wire to fasten our cotton towel wicks...
mmmm free Ti....
You see? There ARE advantages to working in a bomb factory...
[ 04 May 2002, 05:57: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
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Location: san diego, ca
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Location: san diego, ca
Posted:
I had considered making a titanium staff a while back and it isn't as expensive as you might think. Check out https://www.titaniumsports.com/tubing/
They used to have some prices listed and you could get tubing for $3-$6 per foot depending on the level of quality.
Pozee,
If you have the ability to weld the titanium, you might consider drilling holes and welding in a threaded insert like they use to attatch water bottle cages on bikes.
I had considered making a titanium staff a while back and it isn't as expensive as you might think. Check out https://www.titaniumsports.com/tubing/
They used to have some prices listed and you could get tubing for $3-$6 per foot depending on the level of quality.
Pozee,
If you have the ability to weld the titanium, you might consider drilling holes and welding in a threaded insert like they use to attatch water bottle cages on bikes.
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Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA
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Posted:
I like LLcoolPats idea, and drilling staight through(I forget who suggested that).
But I can tell you locktite will not work.
you heat it up to loosen it...so, the only time it would be locked tight is when you were not using them
I like LLcoolPats idea, and drilling staight through(I forget who suggested that).
But I can tell you locktite will not work.
you heat it up to loosen it...so, the only time it would be locked tight is when you were not using them
I smell something burning.
poo-bah
1,015 posts
Location: Austin TX USA
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Location: Austin TX USA
Posted:
Shiznot--
Actually, you might be able to make the loctite idea work. There is high-temperature thread-locker used in engines. I'm not sure, but I think that'll hold up to the heat we get.
Of course, this raises the question: how the hell do you get the screws out when you *want* to take them out? I'm not sure.
Shiznot--
Actually, you might be able to make the loctite idea work. There is high-temperature thread-locker used in engines. I'm not sure, but I think that'll hold up to the heat we get.
Of course, this raises the question: how the hell do you get the screws out when you *want* to take them out? I'm not sure.
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
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Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
hey pat,
i thought about welding some threads on there, but then it wourl be a pain iun the a$$ to get the wick on there nice and tight. any more ideas???
hey pat,
i thought about welding some threads on there, but then it wourl be a pain iun the a$$ to get the wick on there nice and tight. any more ideas???
anyone got a light?
Pooh-Bah
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Location: austin,tx
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Location: austin,tx
Posted:
use bailing/steel wire and drilled holes. you can even sharpen the ends of the wire with a belt sander or something to make them easy to push through... then if you are wimpy and want to cover the wire just sew on a last layer of wicking with fire thread.
use bailing/steel wire and drilled holes. you can even sharpen the ends of the wire with a belt sander or something to make them easy to push through... then if you are wimpy and want to cover the wire just sew on a last layer of wicking with fire thread.
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
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Posted:
dun dudu dun,
i have finished my titanium staff and it is beautiful. now it is time to add some artwork to it seeing as it will be used for a very long time. it is just as heavy as my conduit staff, but ten times the strength.
dun dudu dun,
i have finished my titanium staff and it is beautiful. now it is time to add some artwork to it seeing as it will be used for a very long time. it is just as heavy as my conduit staff, but ten times the strength.
anyone got a light?
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
I cant belive you can get titanium at 6 dollars a meter! id start engraving fractals into it if i was you pozee
Aww, i was really happy with my ally staff too.
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I cant belive you can get titanium at 6 dollars a meter! id start engraving fractals into it if i was you pozee
Aww, i was really happy with my ally staff too.
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
old hand
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Posted:
fractals, not a bad idea. i need a good name for my new baby though. any suggestions? myabe ill have to ask in the social area...
fractals, not a bad idea. i need a good name for my new baby though. any suggestions? myabe ill have to ask in the social area...
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Location: Oceanside, California USA
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Posted:
I look forward to seeing it Pozee!!
I look forward to seeing it Pozee!!
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The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:
good toy
good toy
poo-bah
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Location: Austin TX USA
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Posted:
In case anyone else is interested, mcmaster.com has CP titanium in 5' lengths. A 1" diameter tube is about $52.
I'm not convinved that Ti is the best material for a staff, and it is definitely hard to work with, but hey, it's out there.
In case anyone else is interested, mcmaster.com has CP titanium in 5' lengths. A 1" diameter tube is about $52.
I'm not convinved that Ti is the best material for a staff, and it is definitely hard to work with, but hey, it's out there.
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old hand
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Location: san diego, USA
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Posted:
adam, you know when i first got that titanium pole i thought it was going to be hell to make the staff. but it really was not as hard as i thought. i bought some titanium drill bits for like 5 bucks and made a starter hole, then i had the 2 inch zinc self drilling screws adn it actually all went through pretty easily. i made 2 staffs so yeah i broke one drill bit. but that was to be expected. all in all it took about 20 minutes.
it does all come down to preference though. i like a good heavy staff and titanium is just right. not too heay but definately not too light. and very durable, at least that is what i am told...
adam, you know when i first got that titanium pole i thought it was going to be hell to make the staff. but it really was not as hard as i thought. i bought some titanium drill bits for like 5 bucks and made a starter hole, then i had the 2 inch zinc self drilling screws adn it actually all went through pretty easily. i made 2 staffs so yeah i broke one drill bit. but that was to be expected. all in all it took about 20 minutes.
it does all come down to preference though. i like a good heavy staff and titanium is just right. not too heay but definately not too light. and very durable, at least that is what i am told...
anyone got a light?
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Posted:
this, i'm gonna love to see. mazeltov!
this, i'm gonna love to see. mazeltov!
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Location: Cracow, Poland
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Location: Cracow, Poland
Posted:
Hey!
I would like to buy titanium staff but I have some questions for that. What thickness of wall do you prefer in this kind of material? How about the diameter of the staff? And what grade of titanium, you think is the best?
I have offer now for titanium staff (19,05 mm diameter and 0,9 mm wall, grade 2) for 30$/m - but it is a little thinner than I used to spin (my old staff - 20 mm x 1,5 mm - Ali)
Hey!
I would like to buy titanium staff but I have some questions for that. What thickness of wall do you prefer in this kind of material? How about the diameter of the staff? And what grade of titanium, you think is the best?
I have offer now for titanium staff (19,05 mm diameter and 0,9 mm wall, grade 2) for 30$/m - but it is a little thinner than I used to spin (my old staff - 20 mm x 1,5 mm - Ali)
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hmmm
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hmmm
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Location: Melbourne Australia
Posted:
hey, the titanium tubing you mentioned should be okay for the job. The wall thickness is at the minimum you would want. You might want to consider going up to a 22mm (7/8th) or a 25.4 mm (1") diametre tube if you are planing to make a long single staff. The 19.05 diametre is great for short doubles though.
When drilling the screw holes make sure you drill them in a drill press set on a slow speed, clamped with a vice, use plenty of coolant and a carbide tipped drill. Drill the hole size close to the screw size so that the screw is mainly biting into the dowell inside the tube and wont shread itself on the tube when screwing it in.
We use a 6061 t6 grade of aluminum for our 3 piece staffs. This is an aircraft /structural grade tube. We have it extruded for us but you should be able to find it off the shelf if you look hard enough.
hey, the titanium tubing you mentioned should be okay for the job. The wall thickness is at the minimum you would want. You might want to consider going up to a 22mm (7/8th) or a 25.4 mm (1") diametre tube if you are planing to make a long single staff. The 19.05 diametre is great for short doubles though.
When drilling the screw holes make sure you drill them in a drill press set on a slow speed, clamped with a vice, use plenty of coolant and a carbide tipped drill. Drill the hole size close to the screw size so that the screw is mainly biting into the dowell inside the tube and wont shread itself on the tube when screwing it in.
We use a 6061 t6 grade of aluminum for our 3 piece staffs. This is an aircraft /structural grade tube. We have it extruded for us but you should be able to find it off the shelf if you look hard enough.
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