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Agni
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Posted:Hi all!I've been doing both single staff and poi for a few months now, and would like to learn double staff.Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who actually does double staff
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Does anyone have any suggestions on how (or where) to learn double staff?Thanks all...


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Posted:yeah josh - pretty twirlers look prettier with pretty movements smile
and no ima not taking the mickey, i means it!!


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Posted:Written by:
either you learn to dance with the basic techniques, OR you move on to more technical tricks - without spending time on body flow and character.




Over a long enough time period it should be possible to flow with the more technical moves though. (I'm changing my tune on this since the airwrap topic in poi moves a few months ago but I'm tending to agree with it more these day.)

Until then the flow will be the white rabit. smile


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Posted:ubbrollsmile



just wanted to experience the joy af pulling up a pair of mods for arguing a topic which has been discussed a million times, frequently heatedly(esp. between pele and myself hug biggrin)...

you're supposed to do a search!! wink





actually i know and appreciate the value of this arguement, but will choose not to enter it....


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Posted:Then how about some more double staff discussions, after all, have a look at the name of this thread!

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Posted:LOL nice one Blue ubblol



yep was well offtopic, infact that could be classified as a hijack.



DSS - I reckon with unlimited time, anything is possible,and I agree.



One thing that usually shows in experienced twirlers style is the relaxedness and the effortless grace with which they nail difficult stuff.



ah well, to bring back to topic - somemore techy doubles gear;;



anyone playing with turning thread the needle with doubles?



anyone nailed the btb waistwrap variations?



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Posted:I'm all about the flow and the dance...

and Josh, no. I am not currently playing around with TTN. hehee. flash fire has a hard time with that sorta stuff. Comes from being self taught and not even seeing another firedancer for the first 4 years of my learning. Picked up some bad habits that seem impossible to break, therefore causing me much grief when trying to learn new, tech stuff. HELP!


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Posted:flash just pay josh a visit in adelaide he will sort you out hes a good teacher, tis an excellent excuse for a holiday smile

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Posted:Thats right Benjamen, Flashy is *always* welcome in the abode of Josh n Kate smile

(except right now, cuz right now she would serve as a big distraction from our frantic study regime smile)

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Posted:the thing that annoys me about that is, that I actually contributed in a major way to Josh choosing to pick up doubles. I think his first doubles burn may have even been with my staves.... But he so very quickly got so much better than me that it grates! Damn you Josh, you talented and gorgeous man.

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Posted:ubblol at Flashy smile

My first burn on doubles was when we went up to Byron to tape our entry for COL1. Remmeber that?

hehe...

yep - you were the one that convinced me to pick em up. And your encouragement kept me going.

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Posted:tehee.... may well be some serious te POOK-age in Aus this winter(your summer) so how 'bout we come and ply you with doublesness miss flash..?

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Posted:yay! for sure bluecat. smile

It's my pleasure Josh. kiss


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Posted:Methinks thine thread has been threadjacked... wink

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Posted:Written by: Josh



ah well, to bring back to topic - somemore techy doubles gear;;

anyone playing with turning thread the needle with doubles?

anyone nailed the btb waistwrap variations?





turning thread the needle yes.
btb waistwraps yes.
btb waistwrap variation of tunring thread the needle...? yes(in one direction). more like a butterfly weave to tell the truth(not that i know the difference.... ubbangel)

psi and moseph have these ones down nicely methinks.

*jumps for joy at first doubles play for two months*

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Posted:There's a nice way to do a haloroll out of a turning thread the needle back into a turning thread the needle on the other side smile a bit hard to explain so hopefully on a video soon... Tim [T&B] came up the other day with a really nice proper thread the needle in front of body with doubles but havn't seem him do it recently do will have to bug him about it spank wink

Psi <-- looking forward for some double staff sessions at glasto wave beerchug


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Posted:OK, I'll show my ignorance... biggrin
what's a turning thread the needle? confused


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Posted:turning - to rotate the perspective of the twirler through 180 degrees. Usually this means swapping from a fwd move to a reverse move.

so in this case, its directly transitioning from front TTN to rvs TTN by rotatiing the action 180 degrees. From one side of your body to the other and changing direction for eg.

I was talking about turning the BTB Waist Wrap TTN - you doing this? Thats Phat!

I can only turn on one side with the BTB WW TTN - one day perhaps I'll get the proper 2-sided version, tis a nice move tho.

hmmm - but its gotta flow! smile

Josh

PS blue, I'm gonna track you down this Summer (our summer) and spend a lot of time with twirly toys asking you to do stuff.

Oh, and also get you to teach me some mad 3-club skillz.


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Posted:Sorry, what I should have asked was what's a double staff thread the needle? (I've got my own take, but I don't think it's the same as you guys are talking about, as I'm almost certain it couldn't be done btb, but Mr. Blue up there reckons I can do it confused confused)

I'm not very good at using standard terminology... frown. Guess i should read the staff move naming threads... ubbangel


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Posted:worry not mr mo.
i knnow you jhave the btbww's down, just not sure if you turn them. if you turn them then you have to be threading the needle to get to the other side.

can't wait to see you psi. and you josh-wa.

ooooooh i'm so happy my hand is starting to work again just in time for the season biggrin

got about 6 or 8 different ttn variations, some with contact some without...., and some which translate into hugs reallyreally really nicely whcih i'll work on for glasto...


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Posted:man I reeally wanna see this TTN stuff, I can't even imagine it :P. You guys sound to elite for me! Exams over on the 18th, finally can get some good practise in!

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Posted:Hmmm, still not sure what kind of TTN you're all talking about... if it's the one with fingers and stuff Josh was talking about here, then I would be truly amazed to see a btb ww version, and even just a straight btb would impress me biggrin

I can happily turn with the 1 beat btb butterfly ww things (like the one's that come out of halo rolls on (s|b)lack + blue , but I don't think that's what's being talked about. frown confused


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Posted:No its a bit different to that. I think I'll need to post a vid on this and get you guys to clarify what I'm doing.

I'll do this at some stage in the next few days.

Josh


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