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Sorry Matt but inverted buterfly the same as buttefly barrell roll? Surely a butterfly between the arms is inverted butterfly? Inverted butterfly hyperloop maybe but even that's pushing it giving that you've moved the knot right down into your arms.
I'd go with butterfly thru-wrap as the same thing as barrell roll but not inverted butterfly, it's too misleading a title

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butterfly between the arms is inverted aswell, ithink it would be a 0 degree inversion, a barrel roll is a 1st degree inversion.. both for butterflys and weave varients.... or at least thats my understanding of things.

what matt is saying is that the inveretd butterfly hyperloop (the one wheer it bounces between your arms... not sure if you need the inverted term to describe this as i think by defintion hyperloops are invereted tangles (airwraps non inverted ones..) ) is the same as a butterfly barrel roll only with your poi tangled up instead of your arms.

..oo an i might be wrong

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its actually a reverse bfly airwrap



I seem to find it easier than the fwd bfly airwrap but who knows



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now there's a butterfly hyperloop vid in my gallery... are we satisfied that that's what it is?

(and yes you can keep the butterfly in the middle, I was just lazy )

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[quote=matt]
Yep nikwidd i hear ya. Can tangle the butterfly Outside, inside or "one out one in" (aka inverted).

The outside one can stay out side for as many beats as you like
The inside one can stay inside for as many beats as you like
The inverted one can stay there but i find with socks it all goes wrong, to exit from the inversion you switch which poi is inside and outside.

The inverted one is exactly the same as the 'Butterfly Barrel Roll' (better known as an inverted butterfly) that you've been talking about. I could dig out some video of this if need be.

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Sorry Matt but inverted buterfly the same as buttefly barrell roll? Surely a butterfly between the arms is inverted butterfly? Inverted butterfly hyperloop maybe but even that's pushing it giving that you've moved the knot right down into your arms.
I'd go with butterfly thru-wrap as the same thing as barrell roll but not inverted butterfly, it's too misleading a title

oh and sorry for being



Hey Dunc, just gonna clarify a few things. The laguage for this area of moves is pretty bad since most of the moves don't get named but here's as i understand it (i could easily be wrong)

A normal butterfly would be on the OUTSIDE plane
a butterfly between your arms would be on the INSIDE plane
if 1 poi is on the outside plane and 1 poi is on the inside plane, then the butterfly is said to be INVERTED.

Oli is correct is understanding what i mean, but i'm not sure anyone else would see that from the text :lol this stuff is crazy hard to type about.

Essentially the important poi here is, Tangles and Inversions are almost identicle. The only difference is that in the Tangle the twist (nexus) occurs half way along the poi, with an inversion you move the twist up to your arms.

For a butterfly hyperloop you do have to do the inversions. ie for 1 beat the left poi is inside and right poi outside. Then for the next beat the left poi is outside and the right poi inside.

(you can pause with 1 IN 1 OUT and keep it there for a while if you like)

Does that clear it up dunc??? Im' prety sure that terminology is right.

As for the term BARREL ROLL. I'm not entirely sure what this means. I've only heard it in regard to a weave when you (eg spinning forwards) just crossing over to the opposite side, bring the top hand inside first, followed by the other hand, and continue your weave. ie Invert it, unInvert it and carry on. Same as the butterfly i just described.

BTW a thru wrap is very similar to a tangle, the difference is that the twist point (nexus) is 1 poi and 1 body part.

So when you're playing with these moves you transition thru tangles, inversions and thruwraps all the time. It just depends where the nexus is on each poi / arm

Right, back to work, laters,

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