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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:I've shifted my emphasis to teaching poi lately. It's what I'm good at. I'm sure we've all found that there is a natural progression in learning a new move but haven't seen anyone put it down in writing. Of course there are going to be some exceptions to this list, and sometimes steps can be skiped, but I thought we'd try.

So a newbie learning a new move. From easiest to hardest.

Do it with your good hand.
Do it with you bad hand.
Do it with both hands once.
Do multiple attempts with both hands.
Do multiple attempts on cue (with someone watching or on fire).
Be able to do it in different places (higher, lower, etc.)
Be able to transition out of it.
Be able to transition into it.
Be able to incorporate it in between a number of moves (or improv routine).
Be able to use it naturally while 'flowing'. (This is the whole 'A game'/'B game' theory)

OK, honestly, I'm just thowing that out there without a proofread or rewrite... it's a work in progress with anticipated help from you guys.

What am I missing? What should be worded differently? How can I make my headache go away?



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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth, Australia

Total posts: 5814
Posted:That sounds great.

What age range are you working with?



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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Um... just whomever shows up to our local gatherings. Not a real organized thing or nothin'. 18-40?

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Elanna
SILVER Member since Aug 2003

Elanna

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
Location: NJ or DE, USA

Total posts: 2293
Posted:sounds pretty good to me...*pats NYC on the back* good job!

PS - and about that headache...try some tylenol or advil. that usually does the trick...


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vanize
SILVER Member since Aug 2001

vanize

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas, USA

Total posts: 3899
Posted:that's pretty much the way I teach poi, except I emphasise flow sooner (somewhere just after they get the move down) and let people figure out their own progression of moves. I basically end at teaching a few transitions and let them fall into the rest on their own.

-v-

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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth, Australia

Total posts: 5814
Posted:If you are looking for paid teaching there must be a huge market in schools and also senior citizens.

Seniors have joint flexabilty issues that poi have got to be good for and government spends heaps of money on keeping them active. Mum picked up the practice poi and is now a convert and is working on her mates as well.

Schools here are always looking for new ways to get kids active . In Aust now they are banning all sorts of sports and equipment due to litigation scares so poi might be good.


I enjoy teaching in that I am still in a steep learning curve and watching newbies thrash in and out of moves usually teaches me stuff too.

I hope that once my life settles down that I can tap into these markets to earn a little extra cash.


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Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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caz86


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Location: Bristol/Exeter UK

Total posts: 156
Posted:I've only just started and I tend to do a move with short cords and soft poi then progress to hard poi and chains. Cept for that its very good. Good luck with the teaching!

Caz

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_pOp_
BRONZE Member since Aug 2003

Playing OldSchool Poi
Location: amsterdam, Netherlands

Total posts: 593
Posted:don't forget to start with teaching them to do everything SLOW...

my experience is that newbies often swing too fast (I've been teaching a LOT of beginners this past summer). and if nothing is said, they'll never learn to go slow, and for me slow helps to feel and understand a move better...

eric pOpsteric.


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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:I try and teach it slow as well. Hey, never said I practice what I preach.

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alleykat


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Location: Brooklyn, NY

Total posts: 49
Posted:Resurfacing after a ridiculously long absence...

I have a proposed step:

Somewhere between "multiple attempts with both hands" and "be able to transition out of it" I would say "be able to do it clean." As in, without scrunching up face/saying hail marys/narrowly missing a bop on the nose. I've learned that forcing myself to work a new move in isolation until it's really solid spares me the frustration (and pain) of trying to integrate it while I'm still shaky.

Thoughts?


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:NYC, if I may disagree with you very slightly,

I believe you should do it with your bad hand first. I find that people who do it with their good hand first have serious issues getting their bad hand to do it.


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KristieEB


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Location: Oakland, CA

Total posts: 108
Posted:i have been using the "bad hand first" method as well and i find i get much less frustrated. when my good hand learns it fast and then it takes forever for the other, it is harder for me to take than the other way around.

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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

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Posted:YO ALLEYKAT! GET YO BUTT TO SARA ROOSEVELT PARK THIS THURSDAY!!! I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN FOREVER!!!

Lightning, that's a good idea to do it with the bad hand first. I often find myself trying to have a newbie do the hardest thing first. Then, if it's not working, I'll have them back up and try something easier. So in terms of ease, I'd say that the good hand is obviously easier to learn (and therefore should remain lower on the list)... point well taken though.


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Ronopotamus
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Ronopotamus

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Location: Ireland, but floating around a...

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Posted:I agree with you NYC on the whole good hand first idea. I find it much easier to find the "feel" of a move with my good hand, and then knowing this go on to learn with my bad,
but that's just me whatever you find works best


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Pali
GOLD Member since Jan 2003

Pali

journeyman
Location: Ubud, Bali, Indonesia

Total posts: 84
Posted:It's a good list, but you should add
a couple steps near the beginning for the beginner who just can't seem to get his hands to go together: Do it with your right hand while moving your left hand as if you are doing it with your left hand, and then with your left hand while moving your right hand.

I needed this for 3/4 beat weave when I learned it the first time, and chanting what my hands should be doing: "over under" in this case.


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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Indeed.

That's how I teach a two beat weave. In time first, then split time. Also works well for the four beat.



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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

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Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:another thing...

patterns, learning is a constant progression of getting yourself into patterns untill you can repeat them at will. The trick comes when you plateau, and have to break patterns in order to learn new ones. I think it is good to always have several different patterns being worked on at once.

this relates to the whole a/b game thing.

T


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soldari


soldari

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Location: montreal: bagel capital

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Posted:There are also some moves wich are easyer taught with both hands at the same time but no poi... this stage would go between the one hand at a time and two hands at the same time. I found it easyer to teach where the hands were relative to eachother, or the motion that they both follow together.
Then again this is only applicable to certain moves. rolleyes


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Armoured_Raven
GOLD Member since Nov 2003

Armoured_Raven

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Location: LV, NV, USA

Total posts: 35
Posted:I learned the 3 beat weave that way, soldari. I used pencils to simulate the movement because i just could not figure it out with the poi swinging out of control the way that it was. ubbloco I also agree with the 'bad hand first' and the 'do it 'til it's clean' comments. These 3 things have helped me to figure things out faster and to do them with greater ease...if i can get something 'clean' with my left hand, my right hand picks it up all the faster. weavesmiley

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Pyrolific
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

Total posts: 3289
Posted:what if you believe that to teach poi using the cookie cutter move method is actually likely to reduce the amount of 'Love' for poi in the student?

I've taught a lot of beginners, and spoken to a lot of twirlers out there, and often as not the people that really 'Love' it are the people who dont do it just to own a collection of moves, but do it because they enjoy the flow...

eh - I think I need to develop this in another thread...

Josh



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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Indeed Josh... good point.. Though I am speaking of my teaching experiences which mostly consist of people coming up to me and asking to learn a specific technical move. I'm glad that in New York, most of the newbies really do take a technical breakthrough and then go and play with it. I'm definitely one of the least dancy folks in my community... so the dancers can come and pick my brain for a technical querry and then go back and make it beautiful.

My initial post is dealing with teaching technical moves to groups of people in a 'cookie cutter' environment.

It's how I learn everything and why I'll never be good.


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