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On a scale how complicated to u guys think the hyperloop is. Speaking of "Jedi" like moves what other moves are as difficult or more difficult than the hyperloop.
On a scale how complicated to u guys think the hyperloop is. Speaking of "Jedi" like moves what other moves are as difficult or more difficult than the hyperloop.
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1 (easiest)
2
3
4
5
6
7
8 < methinks about here.
9 < maybe here
10
The timing is hard in the extreme. But there are lots of different ones, some easier than others.
1 (easiest)
2
3
4
5
6
7
8 < methinks about here.
9 < maybe here
10
The timing is hard in the extreme. But there are lots of different ones, some easier than others.
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Your standard hyperloops within a weave are probably most similar to isolations within a weave in terms of difficulty - they both require precise entry points and precise arm movements.
I still think that forward BTB is harder though... at least I can't get it still
Your standard hyperloops within a weave are probably most similar to isolations within a weave in terms of difficulty - they both require precise entry points and precise arm movements.
I still think that forward BTB is harder though... at least I can't get it still
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hyperloops are (on my personal scale) at about an 8.
what i call 'proper' isolations (sustained isolations in a buzzsaw) are at about a 14 and cos i've never seen them, isolated fountains come in at about 25!
remember though, as spiralx has already alluded to, its all relative!
i can do a bunch of different hyp's but still can't do a reverse 5 beat
hyperloops are (on my personal scale) at about an 8.
what i call 'proper' isolations (sustained isolations in a buzzsaw) are at about a 14 and cos i've never seen them, isolated fountains come in at about 25!
remember though, as spiralx has already alluded to, its all relative!
i can do a bunch of different hyp's but still can't do a reverse 5 beat
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i scale them right at the top, i just dont get them atall, i can do a few isolations, but hyperloops are solid, cant even do one out of a weave.
quote:video rubbish that will be online this weekend contains 2 full rotations of a buzzsaw isolation fountain. pretty impressive. i think drew can do this too cole.
Originally posted by coleman:
isolated fountains come in at about 25!
i scale them right at the top, i just dont get them atall, i can do a few isolations, but hyperloops are solid, cant even do one out of a weave.
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Just when you think things are getting easier, people post's things like this...
Locolero
quote:How is that done......
Originally posted by -:
2 full rotations of a buzzsaw isolation fountain.
Just when you think things are getting easier, people post's things like this...
Locolero
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learn to isolate a buzzsaw in both directions, then do a fountain with them.
ask mineiro. he's the one on the video when you get chance to see it.
learn to isolate a buzzsaw in both directions, then do a fountain with them.
ask mineiro. he's the one on the video when you get chance to see it.
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It's kidna dificult to rank moves by dificulty. It kinda depends on what you allready know. When I first saw the hyperloop/isolaton stuff it only took me a couple days to figure out (thoug they are still shakey) while the reverse 5-beat weave took me a couple months. If my trick base/experiance were different as I was learing each move, the length of time to achieve would have been different.
From my experiance, basic 5-beats (rated maybe at 6) are more difficult than basic hyperloops/isolation (about 4?).
It's kidna dificult to rank moves by dificulty. It kinda depends on what you allready know. When I first saw the hyperloop/isolaton stuff it only took me a couple days to figure out (thoug they are still shakey) while the reverse 5-beat weave took me a couple months. If my trick base/experiance were different as I was learing each move, the length of time to achieve would have been different.
From my experiance, basic 5-beats (rated maybe at 6) are more difficult than basic hyperloops/isolation (about 4?).
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totally agree dude, took me a year and a half for the 5 beat reverse weave.
if i played more with my poi, maybe i could do hyperloops then i could be of assistance.
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totally agree dude, took me a year and a half for the 5 beat reverse weave.
if i played more with my poi, maybe i could do hyperloops then i could be of assistance.
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Until Tuesday, I considered hyperloops to be about a difficulty of 47.
Now, thanks to someone (sorry, I don't know the names of many people at Spitz) who explained that they're pretty much like the 5 beat weave, just with the poi crossing on the string rather than your wrists, they're now about a 5.
My difficulty scale is probably very different to most people's though - we're all going to have our own right?
Mine is something like this:
1 - spinning forwards + backwards, figure of 8
2 - weave, butterfly
3 - windmill, corkscrew, 5 beat weave, TTN
4 - 4 beat TTN, split time TTN
5 - hyperloop, backwards 3 beat BTB weave
6 - buzzsaw isolations
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - BTB forwards 5 beat weave
Note that I can barely do a single beat of buzzsaw isolations - just because it's a 1 to 10 scale doesn't mean I can do everything on it, but I know there are moves lurking out there waiting for me that are much more difficult than anything I can do now.
Until Tuesday, I considered hyperloops to be about a difficulty of 47.
Now, thanks to someone (sorry, I don't know the names of many people at Spitz) who explained that they're pretty much like the 5 beat weave, just with the poi crossing on the string rather than your wrists, they're now about a 5.
My difficulty scale is probably very different to most people's though - we're all going to have our own right?
Mine is something like this:
1 - spinning forwards + backwards, figure of 8
2 - weave, butterfly
3 - windmill, corkscrew, 5 beat weave, TTN
4 - 4 beat TTN, split time TTN
5 - hyperloop, backwards 3 beat BTB weave
6 - buzzsaw isolations
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - BTB forwards 5 beat weave
Note that I can barely do a single beat of buzzsaw isolations - just because it's a 1 to 10 scale doesn't mean I can do everything on it, but I know there are moves lurking out there waiting for me that are much more difficult than anything I can do now.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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[ 20. February 2003, 07:33: Message edited by: Jackelero ]
quote:Isn't that a airwrap you're describing? or am I off track?
Originally posted by TheBovrilMonkey:
Now, thanks to someone (sorry, I don't know the names of many people at Spitz) who explained that they're pretty much like the 5 beat weave, just with the poi crossing on the string rather than your wrists, they're now about a 5.
[ 20. February 2003, 07:33: Message edited by: Jackelero ]
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airwrap (as we in the uk know it) stays on the same side and just pops out, hands at 3 and 9 on a clock.
hyperloop (again, they're just names though so they could well be what you call an airwrap) is hands at 12 and 6 on a clock, strings tangle midstring and then tangled poi taken to other side of body and untangled.
bov - i'm guessing that would have been john (moohaahaa) that described the basic hyperloop like that @ spitz - i posted that (along with an erroneous airwrap comment!) here.
airwrap (as we in the uk know it) stays on the same side and just pops out, hands at 3 and 9 on a clock.
hyperloop (again, they're just names though so they could well be what you call an airwrap) is hands at 12 and 6 on a clock, strings tangle midstring and then tangled poi taken to other side of body and untangled.
bov - i'm guessing that would have been john (moohaahaa) that described the basic hyperloop like that @ spitz - i posted that (along with an erroneous airwrap comment!) here.
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oki cause i thought an airwrap was when you tangle on one side and untangle on the other side like your hands would do in a 5 or 7 beat weaves.....when it only has the same function as a
weave...
and everything else was hyperloops....
outside-outside = airwrap
outside-inside-outside = hyperloop
Someone should put their foot down around here and make definitions and standards for everything....maybe we could save ourself for long long ...hard to write...hard to understand...explanations....
oki cause i thought an airwrap was when you tangle on one side and untangle on the other side like your hands would do in a 5 or 7 beat weaves.....when it only has the same function as a
weave...
and everything else was hyperloops....
outside-outside = airwrap
outside-inside-outside = hyperloop
Someone should put their foot down around here and make definitions and standards for everything....maybe we could save ourself for long long ...hard to write...hard to understand...explanations....
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Jack: defs have been posted lots of times.
But somewher i did one post of
defs airwrap,
tangle buzzsaw and
hyperloop
Bovril: stretch every morning and every night for 15 minutes for 7 days then practice 1 poi btb 10 minutes a day and you'll get those btbs.
The BTB's are a LOT LOT easier than you think.
helps if you a bit flexible.
And if thy're not working after that, see me at spitz and I'll try to help.
Jack: defs have been posted lots of times.
But somewher i did one post of
defs airwrap,
tangle buzzsaw and
hyperloop
Bovril: stretch every morning and every night for 15 minutes for 7 days then practice 1 poi btb 10 minutes a day and you'll get those btbs.
The BTB's are a LOT LOT easier than you think.
helps if you a bit flexible.
And if thy're not working after that, see me at spitz and I'll try to help.
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It may well have been moohaahaa who explained it but I'm really bad with remembering names to match to faces. I know he's got fairly long dreads though
Cheers for the advice glass - I've started stretching fairly regularly now I've realised how much of their range of movement my arms have lost since I stopped kayaking. I really need to start that again.
I can get the backwards btb going for a bit, but I end up twisting my body a whole load and it hurts my shoulders at the moment. I know how it works though, which is the main thing, I just can't keep my arms in the right place for long yet.
It may well have been moohaahaa who explained it but I'm really bad with remembering names to match to faces. I know he's got fairly long dreads though
Cheers for the advice glass - I've started stretching fairly regularly now I've realised how much of their range of movement my arms have lost since I stopped kayaking. I really need to start that again.
I can get the backwards btb going for a bit, but I end up twisting my body a whole load and it hurts my shoulders at the moment. I know how it works though, which is the main thing, I just can't keep my arms in the right place for long yet.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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I found starting double staffs really helped bring the flexibility and strength in my shoulders to do BTB poi stuff. After a while the movemnets just flow. Remember how when you first learned the reverese weave it was all over the place and now it's tight? same thing......just keep going
but if you don't like staff then I don't suggest this.
I found starting double staffs really helped bring the flexibility and strength in my shoulders to do BTB poi stuff. After a while the movemnets just flow. Remember how when you first learned the reverese weave it was all over the place and now it's tight? same thing......just keep going
but if you don't like staff then I don't suggest this.
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my understanding is that hyperloops and air wraps are the same thing. Except that air wraps are close to the handles and hyperloops are mid string.
Hyperloop difficulty?
Depends on the hyperloop.
The hardest for me is the reverse weave hyperloop and the ones that require recoils. scale of 1-10 deffinite 10 my weave hyperloops as a whole are pretty shakey.
the easyest for me are the butterfly hyperloops. scale of 1-10 ... 8? honestly though, the butterfly ones are realy easy for me
It is hard for me to say anymore though, as I do not have the same perspective as other people. Never ask the person who set the curve in the class "Is the class hard?" (not saying I set the curve or anything) I would trust PK on this, as he is pretty good, but still can't get them (or so he claims )
harder than hyperloops?
perfect isolations and btb buzzsaws
[ 24. February 2003, 16:25: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
my understanding is that hyperloops and air wraps are the same thing. Except that air wraps are close to the handles and hyperloops are mid string.
Hyperloop difficulty?
Depends on the hyperloop.
The hardest for me is the reverse weave hyperloop and the ones that require recoils. scale of 1-10 deffinite 10 my weave hyperloops as a whole are pretty shakey.
the easyest for me are the butterfly hyperloops. scale of 1-10 ... 8? honestly though, the butterfly ones are realy easy for me
It is hard for me to say anymore though, as I do not have the same perspective as other people. Never ask the person who set the curve in the class "Is the class hard?" (not saying I set the curve or anything) I would trust PK on this, as he is pretty good, but still can't get them (or so he claims )
harder than hyperloops?
perfect isolations and btb buzzsaws
[ 24. February 2003, 16:25: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
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keep stretching man - i remember doing btb stuff for a week and hardly being able to move some days because of all the weird muscle usage (backs of shoulders and triceps mainly) and your 'wrecking ball poi of death' will certainly give your arms a hard time whilst you're still getting into it.
sanatana - what we call an airwrap here is what you called in your hyperloop video thread an "in front windmill hyperloop pop out thingy". i think our name is easier!
its all getting a bit confusing though isn't it?
its weird having to make up silly different names for stuff that is really similar but its the only way to keep things concise. when it becomes ambiguous through the names we are using, we have to ask whether they are then just confusing and extening the discussion...
we need a (hop) move definitions list with *everything* in it but i ain't gonna be the nutter who writes it
quote:that'd be him mate but i'd like to know what you reckon long dreads look like if his are just 'fairly' long
Originally posted by TheBovrilMonkey:
It may well have been moohaahaa who explained it but I'm really bad with remembering names to match to faces. I know he's got fairly long dreads though
keep stretching man - i remember doing btb stuff for a week and hardly being able to move some days because of all the weird muscle usage (backs of shoulders and triceps mainly) and your 'wrecking ball poi of death' will certainly give your arms a hard time whilst you're still getting into it.
sanatana - what we call an airwrap here is what you called in your hyperloop video thread an "in front windmill hyperloop pop out thingy". i think our name is easier!
its all getting a bit confusing though isn't it?
its weird having to make up silly different names for stuff that is really similar but its the only way to keep things concise. when it becomes ambiguous through the names we are using, we have to ask whether they are then just confusing and extening the discussion...
we need a (hop) move definitions list with *everything* in it but i ain't gonna be the nutter who writes it
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Cole - moohaahaa is John I guess?
I definitely need to do more stretching before the forward BTB weave is going to come... And so far the trickiest move in terms of pure skill has to be that buzzsaw isolation, as it requires nigh-on perfect coordination in both arms... I will get it soon though
Cole - moohaahaa is John I guess?
I definitely need to do more stretching before the forward BTB weave is going to come... And so far the trickiest move in terms of pure skill has to be that buzzsaw isolation, as it requires nigh-on perfect coordination in both arms... I will get it soon though
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me isolations started working proper on saturday and buzzsaw fountains are sorted too...
now to put them together
isolations are still the hardest thing i can do (not managed more than 12 beats with rock solid positioning).
quote:no need to guess my friend
Originally posted by coleman:
i'm guessing that would have been john (moohaahaa)
me isolations started working proper on saturday and buzzsaw fountains are sorted too...
now to put them together
isolations are still the hardest thing i can do (not managed more than 12 beats with rock solid positioning).
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what the fuck is a hyper loop!!!!!
what the fuck is a hyper loop!!!!!
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