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Posted:Throughout the world of poi there walk a breed aside from other moves. Many have claimed that they don’t exist, or that they did, but that they died out with some long lost tribe of poi masters, and now they are “just legends”. But, they exist, and not just in the fairy tales we tell young poisters and poiettes to make then scared of the bogie poi that live under their beds.
The Jedi set are the most technical of the most technical moves.
The Jedi set are the poi swinging moves which defy the known laws of the physical world.
For everyone of them, at the moment only a handful are known, is utterly a Jedi move.
Until recently the easiest known move in the the jedi set was a 5 beat weave to reverse 5 beat weave behind the back, preferably done in the wall plane. And yet some exciting new discoveries uncovered using the latest state of the are technology in archeopoilogy. New additions have been threatening to join the ranks of the Jedi set, The Eight Council of Poi demi-gods are currently in congress to determine the place if any of these exciting new finds which include 2 air wraps within the Jedi set.
Not everything is known of the origins of the Jedi set. But it is much hinted in pagan folklaw, that in days of old back in martober two mysterious men, possibly of a tribe of orangeness denoted by their attire met in a misty field in Clay-pham a small village near Londinium. And lo, One of them who may have been the legendary Jedi Tony Touch spaketh unto the other, (the ugly stupid one with poor personal hygiene) who is, it is rumoured to be a distant forefather of the author. (alas the lineage has never been proven).
“That move is utterly Jedi.”
And to the sounds of trumpets from between the legs of a chorus of angels, the Jedi set was gently placed by a large crane amongst the meeting of poiers.
And the quest began...
That was many moons ago, and little remains to document what happened in that original quest...
The Jedi set are the most technical of the most technical moves.
The Jedi set are the poi swinging moves which defy the known laws of the physical world.
For everyone of them, at the moment only a handful are known, is utterly a Jedi move.
Until recently the easiest known move in the the jedi set was a 5 beat weave to reverse 5 beat weave behind the back, preferably done in the wall plane. And yet some exciting new discoveries uncovered using the latest state of the are technology in archeopoilogy. New additions have been threatening to join the ranks of the Jedi set, The Eight Council of Poi demi-gods are currently in congress to determine the place if any of these exciting new finds which include 2 air wraps within the Jedi set.
Not everything is known of the origins of the Jedi set. But it is much hinted in pagan folklaw, that in days of old back in martober two mysterious men, possibly of a tribe of orangeness denoted by their attire met in a misty field in Clay-pham a small village near Londinium. And lo, One of them who may have been the legendary Jedi Tony Touch spaketh unto the other, (the ugly stupid one with poor personal hygiene) who is, it is rumoured to be a distant forefather of the author. (alas the lineage has never been proven).
“That move is utterly Jedi.”
And to the sounds of trumpets from between the legs of a chorus of angels, the Jedi set was gently placed by a large crane amongst the meeting of poiers.
And the quest began...
That was many moons ago, and little remains to document what happened in that original quest...
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Posted:awwwwww PK you're lovely
thanks for the boost
One day I'll get to see some footage of me spinning and I'll see that my moves really do look ok. And I'm sorry, I can't put you down cos I still need stuff to aim for
And I don't get to practice with people. (that's my excuse )
lol - I think we may have ransacked this thread a bit
Next time I come North (or you come south) I think we're going to have to have a proper spin, k?
thanks for the boost
One day I'll get to see some footage of me spinning and I'll see that my moves really do look ok. And I'm sorry, I can't put you down cos I still need stuff to aim for
And I don't get to practice with people. (that's my excuse )
lol - I think we may have ransacked this thread a bit
Next time I come North (or you come south) I think we're going to have to have a proper spin, k?
Geologists do it in the dirt................ 
Posted:soundin good with me... bags of trix up ma sleve.
PK.
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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
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Posted:No Poiking it hasn't. You shouldn't be so quick to judge methinks.
[ 17. November 2002, 17:08: Message edited by: C@ntus ]
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Posted:erm lemme think (lost meaning)
tell us what its meaning is then?
i agree with cantus.
tell us what its meaning is then?
i agree with cantus.
PK.
"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
*Francois Couperin.
Posted:Well, I thought this thread was talking about moves that should be called jedi moves because they're so good. What I see from the last few post is that people are just talking about how good eachother is, but I guess two against one says I'm wrong. I just may not know what I'm talking about. Have fun.
The only people who count are the people who care.
DeletePosted:This is a really interesting thread! It took me a day and a half to read it all, but what a concept! I don't intend to step on anyone toes here, but I have an idea of a Jedi move that doesn't have anything to do with specific moves, even if they are insanely hard and I can only dream of pulling off such moves.
For me, Jedi has to do with the force. The force and fire spinning... theres another three page thread for sure. That everpresent concept of energy, or whatever convenient label that your culture chooses to put on the concept. Do you see the purple color underneath the fire?
I haven't had this happen many times, but always when my attention to the force was exceptionally acute. There is this point in my spin where I actually stop being in control of the poi, and they are finally using me as a medium for their movement. It only happens for like a second and a half, tops. I just feel this rush from my chest cavity, the poi are moving so fast that I have to let go of their motion and hope that I end the move with all of my body hair. People usually cheer, I don't know if it because of the synch with my internal feelings, or if it just looks super cool or what.
I just didn't really imagine that a Jedi move was based off of the hardness of the move. I could see only being able to pull those moves off when you are at a level of goodness where you truely are on fire. My difference in understanding is that I think that I could go into that moment at any point during my poiducation. It was in that moment, though, that I could do things that I had only concieved of before.
just my two cents.
p.s. could someone please explain this hyperloop thing, yet again. I have no understanding what it looks like, if I already do it or if it is something to learn.
For me, Jedi has to do with the force. The force and fire spinning... theres another three page thread for sure. That everpresent concept of energy, or whatever convenient label that your culture chooses to put on the concept. Do you see the purple color underneath the fire?
I haven't had this happen many times, but always when my attention to the force was exceptionally acute. There is this point in my spin where I actually stop being in control of the poi, and they are finally using me as a medium for their movement. It only happens for like a second and a half, tops. I just feel this rush from my chest cavity, the poi are moving so fast that I have to let go of their motion and hope that I end the move with all of my body hair. People usually cheer, I don't know if it because of the synch with my internal feelings, or if it just looks super cool or what.
I just didn't really imagine that a Jedi move was based off of the hardness of the move. I could see only being able to pull those moves off when you are at a level of goodness where you truely are on fire. My difference in understanding is that I think that I could go into that moment at any point during my poiducation. It was in that moment, though, that I could do things that I had only concieved of before.
just my two cents.
p.s. could someone please explain this hyperloop thing, yet again. I have no understanding what it looks like, if I already do it or if it is something to learn.
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Posted:to see the hyperloop goto the staff thread and look at the glass video and dj shadow posts theres a link for it in glass's first post.
PK.
"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
*Francois Couperin.
Posted:Hi, I'm new. So please bear with me. Got one or two for ye.
One handed corkscrew to one handed butterfly conversion:
When doing the 1hand corkscrew, clockwise and on right-hand, let one poi spin above the hand and leave the other spin below. Start an up down movement with your wrist. Voila! It forms a butterfly.
Need I say, this can be done in reverse, and with both hands. But the theory of the trick is easier to learn that way.
Also another lovely conversion, is the one handed cross-and-follow (weave) to 2hand behind the back, and over to the other side (from behind) to the other hand to do a reverse one hand weave.
One handed corkscrew to one handed butterfly conversion:
When doing the 1hand corkscrew, clockwise and on right-hand, let one poi spin above the hand and leave the other spin below. Start an up down movement with your wrist. Voila! It forms a butterfly.
Need I say, this can be done in reverse, and with both hands. But the theory of the trick is easier to learn that way.
Also another lovely conversion, is the one handed cross-and-follow (weave) to 2hand behind the back, and over to the other side (from behind) to the other hand to do a reverse one hand weave.
I'm going straight to hell.
Better practice my fire show.
Posted:yet another variation of the inside hyperloop, at least I think it is inside....
when doing the forward hyperloop, bring it inside, but right as you do....stick your leg in the way to catch one poi head, and let your upper arm catch the other poi head so they both recoil at the same time, and it goes into a reverse hyperloop, and you come out of it on the same side that your went into it on.
So, the trick to it is....you need to put your foot out just after a poi goes by, so that one will wrap on your arm and the other will wrap on your leg. it is a matter of timing...and being quick with the leg.
I just started using slightly longer chains, so in order to airwrap inside I HAVE to hyperloop it, but the longer chains make it easier to hyperloop.
I will download adobe 6.0 today, there is a free 30 day trial, so we will see, huh?
I watched JT do a 5 beat btb turning weave last night. I can do about 1 1/2 btb 5 beat forward...it ain't easy
when doing the forward hyperloop, bring it inside, but right as you do....stick your leg in the way to catch one poi head, and let your upper arm catch the other poi head so they both recoil at the same time, and it goes into a reverse hyperloop, and you come out of it on the same side that your went into it on.
So, the trick to it is....you need to put your foot out just after a poi goes by, so that one will wrap on your arm and the other will wrap on your leg. it is a matter of timing...and being quick with the leg.
I just started using slightly longer chains, so in order to airwrap inside I HAVE to hyperloop it, but the longer chains make it easier to hyperloop.
I will download adobe 6.0 today, there is a free 30 day trial, so we will see, huh?
I watched JT do a 5 beat btb turning weave last night. I can do about 1 1/2 btb 5 beat forward...it ain't easy
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DeletePosted:I agree with PK, this stuff is inside us already, we just need to bring it to the surface...but, there are a lot of words and languages to describe "jedi". Chi, Energy, Zen, the force, higher levels of the mind...I like the times when I don't consiousely control what I am doing, just flowing with it, letting it happen. That is how I do contact staff.
5 months PK? holy underwear batman . you have probably seen what I looked like after 4 months (COL1) I could do ALL of the stuff off the HOP tutorial except BTB weave,... course I didn't have Jo Derry and such to learn off of till after COL1... however, I know several people who still suck after two years...
5 months PK? holy underwear batman . you have probably seen what I looked like after 4 months (COL1) I could do ALL of the stuff off the HOP tutorial except BTB weave,... course I didn't have Jo Derry and such to learn off of till after COL1... however, I know several people who still suck after two years...
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DeletePosted:i see jo once in a blue moon, he's shy and doesnt come out to spin very often but is good when he does. and its not one of those teacher student things...i watch he spins... then a day later i am doing new stuff.
basically i taught myself and with only kato at my level back then he was my only aid and viseversa.
all i do is think of new stuff before i try them.
my mind is my guide... oh and glass and dom send me ideas now and again.
basically i taught myself and with only kato at my level back then he was my only aid and viseversa.
all i do is think of new stuff before i try them.
my mind is my guide... oh and glass and dom send me ideas now and again.
PK.
"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
*Francois Couperin.
Posted:well, I finaly got some stuff on mpeg. email me if you want me to send you a video of the hyperloop buzzsaw weave.
santanatwo@yahoo.com
failing that I'm just gona start randomly sending it to people
I also got a back waist wrap thing that I want to confirm (are we talking about the same thing?)
santanatwo@yahoo.com
failing that I'm just gona start randomly sending it to people
I also got a back waist wrap thing that I want to confirm (are we talking about the same thing?)
we eat and we drink and we smoke and we try!
DeletePosted:you can start reandomly sending it to me
PK - have you been spinning about the smae time as me? If so I'm a jealous little fairy *stamps her fairy foot*
Nay mind - I haven't got any vids or any spinning community to inspire me. And the only event I've been to are ones you've seen me at - I do ok
HOW ABOUT THIS:
full waistwrap clockwise (in front and then btb without missing beats)
into full waistwrap anticlockwise.
not really jedi, but I like it
PK - have you been spinning about the smae time as me? If so I'm a jealous little fairy *stamps her fairy foot*
Nay mind - I haven't got any vids or any spinning community to inspire me. And the only event I've been to are ones you've seen me at - I do ok
HOW ABOUT THIS:
full waistwrap clockwise (in front and then btb without missing beats)
into full waistwrap anticlockwise.
not really jedi, but I like it
Geologists do it in the dirt................
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Posted:about video; santanatwo i would *love* to see that stuff please! i have broadband so emailing it to me is fine (cole.walker@ntlworld.com).
pk, if you can get any of your stuff uploaded (esp. some of your straight arm stuff) i can download ridiculous sized files no probs - if there is limited space let me know when its up and i'll get it nice and quick so your friend doesn't have to keep it there forever.
and to answer your question, moohaha is doin great.
he's gettin to spin fire inside the fridge (the one in brixton as opposed to the one in my kitchen) nowdays and as always, is still a great person to learn from (he taught me almost everything i know).
i'll let him know you said hi
and to the fluffy one:
"full waistwrap clockwise (in front and then btb without missing beats)
into full waistwrap anticlockwise."
that is a gorgeous move and is exactly what i am aiming for right now. kinda f**cked not being able to do btb waistwraps though i think...
pk, if you can get any of your stuff uploaded (esp. some of your straight arm stuff) i can download ridiculous sized files no probs - if there is limited space let me know when its up and i'll get it nice and quick so your friend doesn't have to keep it there forever.
and to answer your question, moohaha is doin great.
he's gettin to spin fire inside the fridge (the one in brixton as opposed to the one in my kitchen) nowdays and as always, is still a great person to learn from (he taught me almost everything i know).
i'll let him know you said hi
and to the fluffy one:
"full waistwrap clockwise (in front and then btb without missing beats)
into full waistwrap anticlockwise."
that is a gorgeous move and is exactly what i am aiming for right now. kinda f**cked not being able to do btb waistwraps though i think...
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Posted:without the btb's it's gonna be hard indeed....
even with one btbwaistwrap sorted it took me about two weeks to get the other fluidly enough to pull off this move. I did it with fir for the first time last night I'm such a happy fluffy fairy now
You're right - it is a beautiful move
even with one btbwaistwrap sorted it took me about two weeks to get the other fluidly enough to pull off this move. I did it with fir for the first time last night I'm such a happy fluffy fairy now
You're right - it is a beautiful move
Geologists do it in the dirt................
Posted:ok, boys and girls, men and ladies....
More hyperloop variations, this time from the Wrap Master Funk
Got three more wraps from a hyperloop, some inside, some outside, some not sure....maybe 1/2?
anyways,
#1 I discovered that I can do the double handcuff wrap (weave style) from a hyperloop. do a forward hyperloop, then as they do the second rotation, punch both hands out into the center of the hyperloop, so that one poi wraps on each wrist, the poi will recoil and you will come out of the hyperloop on the same side, but going the opposite direction (reverse). It works from reverse too. (hint, keep your hands apart by slightly less than half the length of your poi)
#2 do a reverse butterfly, bring it inside and hyperloop the chains while they are on the inside.(yes this can be done) as this happens move your elbow out so that the hyperloop butterfly wraps on your bicep. belive it or not this move it possible and do-able...you will come out of it on the inside and move into a forward butterfly.
#3 this last one gets funky, I only pulled it off three times last night, and I know the theory behind it, but not the exact mechanism. do a forward butterfly, then bring it inside on the right and hyperloop it. Then (quickly) bring it around to right untill it is inside again (180 degrees from where you went inside with it) the chains will unwrap (if you did everything correctly). and you will be in a inside butterfly (burn the nose butterfly, AKA buzzsaw butterfly) Videos will be up on our web site eventually. till then I will continue to email high quality videos (mpeg) to whoever wants them. I can only fit about 15 seconds in a yahoo email, barely enough to show one move. And I don't have video of the four hyperloop wraps yet, but I will soon.
P.S. I'm going to post this in the deffinative list of wraps too, since it does belong there.
[ 20. November 2002, 07:47: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
More hyperloop variations, this time from the Wrap Master Funk
Got three more wraps from a hyperloop, some inside, some outside, some not sure....maybe 1/2?
anyways,
#1 I discovered that I can do the double handcuff wrap (weave style) from a hyperloop. do a forward hyperloop, then as they do the second rotation, punch both hands out into the center of the hyperloop, so that one poi wraps on each wrist, the poi will recoil and you will come out of the hyperloop on the same side, but going the opposite direction (reverse). It works from reverse too. (hint, keep your hands apart by slightly less than half the length of your poi)
#2 do a reverse butterfly, bring it inside and hyperloop the chains while they are on the inside.(yes this can be done) as this happens move your elbow out so that the hyperloop butterfly wraps on your bicep. belive it or not this move it possible and do-able...you will come out of it on the inside and move into a forward butterfly.
#3 this last one gets funky, I only pulled it off three times last night, and I know the theory behind it, but not the exact mechanism. do a forward butterfly, then bring it inside on the right and hyperloop it. Then (quickly) bring it around to right untill it is inside again (180 degrees from where you went inside with it) the chains will unwrap (if you did everything correctly). and you will be in a inside butterfly (burn the nose butterfly, AKA buzzsaw butterfly) Videos will be up on our web site eventually. till then I will continue to email high quality videos (mpeg) to whoever wants them. I can only fit about 15 seconds in a yahoo email, barely enough to show one move. And I don't have video of the four hyperloop wraps yet, but I will soon.
P.S. I'm going to post this in the deffinative list of wraps too, since it does belong there.
[ 20. November 2002, 07:47: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
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DeletePosted:hey daniel how big are the flicks man? just wanna know cos i got crap dial up rightnow and may take me a while dependining on how big they are.....i am off to my mates in the next few days and just burned my flicks to disc and will upload them and post a link up to those that want to see friends with broardband i love the most..poor blokes sat ther right now downloading me photoshop7 and illuistrator10 haha that might take a while so when i pick them up i will upload.. i tried on my connection the other night and got to 7 mins from the end and disconnected....bastard.....oh well.
Ros...wicked set of moves there you got and when i saw you learning them they were allready beautiful.. you got those waistwrap tunes yet turning them behind you? you can turn back and forth on either side.
one of my flicks has some nice waistwrap windmills at the begining.
getting bored of this webdesign lark... need to spin been sat here fer 9 hours reading nothing but html...yeah like i even understand it, erm sounds like drew and his poi he never understands what hes doing with them. haha.
anyways......fer now i shall depart and leave you all to sleep well.
Ros...wicked set of moves there you got and when i saw you learning them they were allready beautiful.. you got those waistwrap tunes yet turning them behind you? you can turn back and forth on either side.
one of my flicks has some nice waistwrap windmills at the begining.
getting bored of this webdesign lark... need to spin been sat here fer 9 hours reading nothing but html...yeah like i even understand it, erm sounds like drew and his poi he never understands what hes doing with them. haha.
anyways......fer now i shall depart and leave you all to sleep well.
PK.
"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
*Francois Couperin.
Posted:thats one hugh ass file for 3 seconds man, what u running it through? premier?....want me to send you some settings if you are?...
wicked move though man looking really good, and i must point out at this point that you look nowt like your footage in col3 haha, mind you i never look the same as the last time any one saw me.
be kewl
wicked move though man looking really good, and i must point out at this point that you look nowt like your footage in col3 haha, mind you i never look the same as the last time any one saw me.
be kewl
PK.
"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."
*Francois Couperin.
Posted:PK, the inside hyperloop weave is about 1.7 mb in mpeg format I hope you don't mind, I already "randomly" emailed it to you .
I just got a converter off the net, so I think I may be able to put some new stuff on my web site soon ***crosses fingers***, so EVERBODY can just get it streamed to them. Real Media (RM) files are tiny compared to mpeg. I got MY own contact staff video I'm converting right now, it's about 5 minutes long, full of (hopefully) realy cool stuff. I'm not always as fluid as drew but it flows. I'll let you guys know when (IF) I manage to get my web site updated with some real Jedi stuff. I am going to get all those hyperloop wraps recorded soon (and 5 beat btb turning), so y'all be patient.
Peace,
Santana
[ 21. November 2002, 04:18: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
I just got a converter off the net, so I think I may be able to put some new stuff on my web site soon ***crosses fingers***, so EVERBODY can just get it streamed to them. Real Media (RM) files are tiny compared to mpeg. I got MY own contact staff video I'm converting right now, it's about 5 minutes long, full of (hopefully) realy cool stuff. I'm not always as fluid as drew but it flows. I'll let you guys know when (IF) I manage to get my web site updated with some real Jedi stuff. I am going to get all those hyperloop wraps recorded soon (and 5 beat btb turning), so y'all be patient.
Peace,
Santana
[ 21. November 2002, 04:18: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
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DeletePosted:PK - I already got the btb waistwrap turns
......this fairy's been busy
But waistwraps and windmills? I'm gonna have to see that. You coming down south anytime?
......this fairy's been busy
But waistwraps and windmills? I'm gonna have to see that. You coming down south anytime?
Geologists do it in the dirt................
Posted:These Jedi skills are entirely useless in my opinion. They are only a way of entertaining yourself or for gaining status over other poiers.
I just don't understand, you should all get out more.
What's the point in being so obsessed with the technical side of things?
Poi is a perfomance art it's not trainspotting.
What's the point in being a Jedi if you never use your skills except to show off to other Jedi?
and what's the point if only other Jedi can see that your moves are Jedi?
(just having a moan 'cos the juggling craze a decade ago went all trainspottery).
...and i can't do any of these moves.
Axis.
I just don't understand, you should all get out more.
What's the point in being so obsessed with the technical side of things?
Poi is a perfomance art it's not trainspotting.
What's the point in being a Jedi if you never use your skills except to show off to other Jedi?
and what's the point if only other Jedi can see that your moves are Jedi?
(just having a moan 'cos the juggling craze a decade ago went all trainspottery).
...and i can't do any of these moves.
Axis.
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by Axis:
...and i can't do any of these moves. tee hee! but i'd have to disagree here axis.
just because these moves are technically hard, doesn't mean that people that don't realise how hard they are won't be impressed.
isolations when done properly look crazy.
watching someone spin for 5 minutes before they chuck in a few beats of isolation blows most peoples minds - no matter how much they know about poi.
forwards 5 beat btb to backwards 5 beat btb in wall plane looks as hard as it is and a lot of people pick up on this (maybe cos most spinners mess it up but thats beside the point ).
double neck wrap is great (although you would have to mental to do it with full-on fire).
i say go learn some of these moves, use them in your sets and watch the reactions you get. you may well decide to reconsider your opinions...
this aggression will not stand. man.
*open question: do i delete this post or not? just pm me if i should*
[ 28. November 2002, 01:21: Message edited by: coleman ]
...and i can't do any of these moves. tee hee! but i'd have to disagree here axis.
just because these moves are technically hard, doesn't mean that people that don't realise how hard they are won't be impressed.
isolations when done properly look crazy.
watching someone spin for 5 minutes before they chuck in a few beats of isolation blows most peoples minds - no matter how much they know about poi.
forwards 5 beat btb to backwards 5 beat btb in wall plane looks as hard as it is and a lot of people pick up on this (maybe cos most spinners mess it up but thats beside the point ).
double neck wrap is great (although you would have to mental to do it with full-on fire).
i say go learn some of these moves, use them in your sets and watch the reactions you get. you may well decide to reconsider your opinions...
this aggression will not stand. man.
*open question: do i delete this post or not? just pm me if i should*
[ 28. November 2002, 01:21: Message edited by: coleman ]
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they do porridge."
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Posted:bit of both..... tchnical can look amazing.... also axis i disagree i saw you at glasto and dfinitely approve...tasty stuff...
mcflurry now working with poi... essentially continuous barrel rolls on fire...
pk talk to me....all a bit more interesting now...
mcflurry now working with poi... essentially continuous barrel rolls on fire...
pk talk to me....all a bit more interesting now...
brain replacement...anyone?
DeletePosted:Probably make loads of peeps groan 'cause it is the only side of poi I work on but I thought I would make a list of some of the harder one handed moves that I know and post instructions on how to do them in case anyone else may be interested.
First hard move:
One handed butterfly into double neck wrap.
This is done exactly the same as the other double neck wrap but you do need to keep good form on the one handed butterfly (more so than with the 2 handed version).
Second hard move:
One handed horizontal butterfly into overhead arm wrap.
This move works on the same principle of the horizontal butterfly into horizontal overhead butterfly. But as you have one hand free you can stick it up above your head (the free arm) and wrap the incoming overhead butterfly into your arm and reverse it back out.
Alternative: Just as your arm is wrapped in the poi, turn 180 degrees so that it unwraps off of your arm to in front of you again.
One handed horizontal butterfly to waistwrap
Very, very useful move. This move is used to often correct a failing one handed butterfly (getting sketchy). horizontal butterfly as before but place your hand on your stomach so that the poi wrap and then reverse it out.
Alternative1: This wrap can be done on lots of places on your body including chest and legs.
Alternative2: When you are in the middle of the wrap turn 180 degrees and release on other side.
Alternative3: Do all of the above moves and variations but btb horizontal butterfly.
New move combo christened: Butterfly Fountain
Ok one handed horizontal butterfly done on left side of body. This is then brought across and above your head and onto the right hand side of your body with no beat above your head. This is the start of the combo. This is then immediately placed into a side waistwrap with 180degree turn back out the other side and repeat!!!
This move is very hard too explain so if you peeps need clarification just ask.
One handed split time butterfly into btb one handed split time butterfly using 360degree turns.
hehe I will leave the concept in your mind awhile and if you need me to explain it let me know!!!!
I have loads more one handed butterfly moves and combos but that list will do for now!
[ 27. November 2002, 22:24: Message edited by: Jez ]
First hard move:
One handed butterfly into double neck wrap.
This is done exactly the same as the other double neck wrap but you do need to keep good form on the one handed butterfly (more so than with the 2 handed version).
Second hard move:
One handed horizontal butterfly into overhead arm wrap.
This move works on the same principle of the horizontal butterfly into horizontal overhead butterfly. But as you have one hand free you can stick it up above your head (the free arm) and wrap the incoming overhead butterfly into your arm and reverse it back out.
Alternative: Just as your arm is wrapped in the poi, turn 180 degrees so that it unwraps off of your arm to in front of you again.
One handed horizontal butterfly to waistwrap
Very, very useful move. This move is used to often correct a failing one handed butterfly (getting sketchy). horizontal butterfly as before but place your hand on your stomach so that the poi wrap and then reverse it out.
Alternative1: This wrap can be done on lots of places on your body including chest and legs.
Alternative2: When you are in the middle of the wrap turn 180 degrees and release on other side.
Alternative3: Do all of the above moves and variations but btb horizontal butterfly.
New move combo christened: Butterfly Fountain
Ok one handed horizontal butterfly done on left side of body. This is then brought across and above your head and onto the right hand side of your body with no beat above your head. This is the start of the combo. This is then immediately placed into a side waistwrap with 180degree turn back out the other side and repeat!!!
This move is very hard too explain so if you peeps need clarification just ask.
One handed split time butterfly into btb one handed split time butterfly using 360degree turns.
hehe I will leave the concept in your mind awhile and if you need me to explain it let me know!!!!
I have loads more one handed butterfly moves and combos but that list will do for now!
[ 27. November 2002, 22:24: Message edited by: Jez ]
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Posted:Darn it Jez, you just made my head spin....OH!!! THE AGONY!!!
That waist wrap windmill....I think I discovered that a couple days ago on accident, if it is what I think you are talking about...do a windmill, but with one hand in a back waist wrap the whole time? (I mean a low back waist wrap/windmill)
[ 21. November 2002, 17:38: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
That waist wrap windmill....I think I discovered that a couple days ago on accident, if it is what I think you are talking about...do a windmill, but with one hand in a back waist wrap the whole time? (I mean a low back waist wrap/windmill)
[ 21. November 2002, 17:38: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
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DeletePosted:For me the question is, these technical Jedi moves, technical for who?
From an audience point of view something that looks highly skilled and technical...is!
If it requires more skill and technical ability than the audience can appreciate, then it is, in entertainment terms, pretty pointless learning it for performance.
and isn't poi a perfomance art?
It is about perceived skill (audience) not actual skill (you).
I design my shows to maximise this.
I would agree that some Jedi moves may increase your ability to learn or develop new 'useful' tricks...in some cases.
But in general wouldn't it be better to spend your time doing something a little less boring instead?
I would much rather spend my time learning more useful skills than be able to do a corkscrew double-back triple weave vortex split time triple dragon nose wrap (reversed).
Life is about variety, i think some of you are becoming unhealthily obsessed...
And some of you spend far too much time on this site...
Axis runs away as fast as his little legs can carry him.
From an audience point of view something that looks highly skilled and technical...is!
If it requires more skill and technical ability than the audience can appreciate, then it is, in entertainment terms, pretty pointless learning it for performance.
and isn't poi a perfomance art?
It is about perceived skill (audience) not actual skill (you).
I design my shows to maximise this.
I would agree that some Jedi moves may increase your ability to learn or develop new 'useful' tricks...in some cases.
But in general wouldn't it be better to spend your time doing something a little less boring instead?
I would much rather spend my time learning more useful skills than be able to do a corkscrew double-back triple weave vortex split time triple dragon nose wrap (reversed).
Life is about variety, i think some of you are becoming unhealthily obsessed...
And some of you spend far too much time on this site...
Axis runs away as fast as his little legs can carry him.
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Posted:BIG for the fairy - don't be upset!
as for you axis - shame on you!
being all over-opinionated and stuff.
the internet is no place for that young man.
all that you have said are purely subjective opinions. no, poi is not just a performance art.
for me and many others, poi are not about just that (i never have nor intend to perform with poi, even though in a few months or so i may well be good enough to).
i can see that poi are greatly entertaining and as such try to get to all of my friends' shows to support them but performance is not the be all and end all.
poi for me are about having fun with my friends and challenging myself.
these moves are providing some of the biggest challenges i have faced since i started poi and instead of getting the hump and saying 'i can't do that stuff so it must be pointless, crap and overly technical' i spent time learning some of them.
and i didn't find it in the least bit boring. i can do isolations with fire now and you cant
*slice*
*can this one stay too please - i quite like this performance vs fun discussion, even though its not stictly on topic...*
[ 28. November 2002, 01:23: Message edited by: coleman ]
as for you axis - shame on you!
being all over-opinionated and stuff.
the internet is no place for that young man.
all that you have said are purely subjective opinions. no, poi is not just a performance art.
for me and many others, poi are not about just that (i never have nor intend to perform with poi, even though in a few months or so i may well be good enough to).
i can see that poi are greatly entertaining and as such try to get to all of my friends' shows to support them but performance is not the be all and end all.
poi for me are about having fun with my friends and challenging myself.
these moves are providing some of the biggest challenges i have faced since i started poi and instead of getting the hump and saying 'i can't do that stuff so it must be pointless, crap and overly technical' i spent time learning some of them.
and i didn't find it in the least bit boring. i can do isolations with fire now and you cant
*slice*
*can this one stay too please - i quite like this performance vs fun discussion, even though its not stictly on topic...*
[ 28. November 2002, 01:23: Message edited by: coleman ]
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Posted:poi isn't just a performance art. it is also kung fu, martial arts of the highest skill. Learning how to do JEDI stuff teaches your mind, body, and spirit how to move to a high level of existence and perception. It teaches the mind-set neccisary to do things that require 100% of the mind to be working at TOP speed, not just the 15% that most people go through their lives using. It allows you to learn to slow time (in your mind) and to focus so nothing else exists, just the poi and your body. no other sights or sounds or smells, or tasts. It is about becoming one with your instincts yet at the same time allowing your mind to open up to it's full capacity. Thus becoming JEDI, or ZEN, or "whatever you want to call it". FEEL the energy and control it, and/or let it control you. don't think about it, just do it. OR, do it because you ARE thinking about it and becoming one with it.
The audience sometimes has people in it that CAN apreciate what you are doing. but for the uninitiated it realy does just look like circles of light....no pun intended
anyways, even though the audience may not understand it (comprehend it) doesn't mean they don't apreciate it. It's like one of us watching a skate boarder do tricks on a half pipe. We don't REALY see what they are doing or apreciate what is hard verses what isn't hard. but we do know if it look cool or not. That is the performance side of it.
This thread isn't about performance.
The audience sometimes has people in it that CAN apreciate what you are doing. but for the uninitiated it realy does just look like circles of light....no pun intended
anyways, even though the audience may not understand it (comprehend it) doesn't mean they don't apreciate it. It's like one of us watching a skate boarder do tricks on a half pipe. We don't REALY see what they are doing or apreciate what is hard verses what isn't hard. but we do know if it look cool or not. That is the performance side of it.
This thread isn't about performance.
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DeletePosted:I am sorry I must have missed an important part of the description as I think you have crossed wires to what I mean so I will try to explain it using better terms.
All of the wraps I descibed use both poi to wrap at the same time, like the double neck wrap, which by the way is what I meant by the one handed butterfly into neck wrap. I actually meant that both poi go round my neck.
This also was what I meant by the waist wrap move. First of all the one handed butterfly is on the horizontal plane and both poi come in so that each poi go to opposite sides of the waist. This move as described earlier can be turned during the wrap to unwrap on the other side by turning your waist 180degrees. None of these moves use windmills or other chase moves the poi are always doing a butterfly type move or wrapped around the body.
The fountain thing uses the advantage of one handed butterfly stuff gives you more freedom of body movement. Which leads me nicely to my final point in response to Axis post.
These moves as described here there are very few which do not look amazing during performance. You are completely wrong in assumptions about performances and believe me I ahave plenty of experience.
The moves which are non technical as far as this thread is concerned all look very pretty and nice which works to one level during performances but not at another. Have you ever seen any cirque de soliel performance or any other decent street perfomance? These performances use a very good combination of 'pretty' moves and moves which require a lot of technical skill. Despite what you may think but audiences DO notice when you pull of a very technical move. During my performances these are the moves that get gasps and claps. When was the last time you performed a double neck wrap and the audience was not audibly impressed?
In the same way it also breaks up a routine audiences get very bored of circle after circle in fact they have an attention span of approx 1 minute. However add into your routine a stall a wrap or a very technical move and it snaps the audiences attention back into place. You probably have experience of it yourself when watching others spin fire. It is all very pleasent immediately and then you zone out just watching the pretty circles. If you have watched someone even put in a simple stall then you may have already noticed that it immediately stops the 'zoning' out as your brain takes in the change of pace. If therefore a member of the audience sees something which looks a lot harder to do than the rest then there attention is also snapped back and they leave your performance feeling as if they have been treated to a full package show with amazing visuals and amazing technical and unexplainable tricks.
If you have any doubts about this then you need to spend some time watching other spinners and make sure when you do you give it all your attention and find out for your self where attention lapses are!
Rant over out of breath now! hehehe
All of the wraps I descibed use both poi to wrap at the same time, like the double neck wrap, which by the way is what I meant by the one handed butterfly into neck wrap. I actually meant that both poi go round my neck.
This also was what I meant by the waist wrap move. First of all the one handed butterfly is on the horizontal plane and both poi come in so that each poi go to opposite sides of the waist. This move as described earlier can be turned during the wrap to unwrap on the other side by turning your waist 180degrees. None of these moves use windmills or other chase moves the poi are always doing a butterfly type move or wrapped around the body.
The fountain thing uses the advantage of one handed butterfly stuff gives you more freedom of body movement. Which leads me nicely to my final point in response to Axis post.
These moves as described here there are very few which do not look amazing during performance. You are completely wrong in assumptions about performances and believe me I ahave plenty of experience.
The moves which are non technical as far as this thread is concerned all look very pretty and nice which works to one level during performances but not at another. Have you ever seen any cirque de soliel performance or any other decent street perfomance? These performances use a very good combination of 'pretty' moves and moves which require a lot of technical skill. Despite what you may think but audiences DO notice when you pull of a very technical move. During my performances these are the moves that get gasps and claps. When was the last time you performed a double neck wrap and the audience was not audibly impressed?
In the same way it also breaks up a routine audiences get very bored of circle after circle in fact they have an attention span of approx 1 minute. However add into your routine a stall a wrap or a very technical move and it snaps the audiences attention back into place. You probably have experience of it yourself when watching others spin fire. It is all very pleasent immediately and then you zone out just watching the pretty circles. If you have watched someone even put in a simple stall then you may have already noticed that it immediately stops the 'zoning' out as your brain takes in the change of pace. If therefore a member of the audience sees something which looks a lot harder to do than the rest then there attention is also snapped back and they leave your performance feeling as if they have been treated to a full package show with amazing visuals and amazing technical and unexplainable tricks.
If you have any doubts about this then you need to spend some time watching other spinners and make sure when you do you give it all your attention and find out for your self where attention lapses are!
Rant over out of breath now! hehehe
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