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Glåss
Glåss

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Posted:Throughout the world of poi there walk a breed aside from other moves. Many have claimed that they don’t exist, or that they did, but that they died out with some long lost tribe of poi masters, and now they are “just legends”. But, they exist, and not just in the fairy tales we tell young poisters and poiettes to make then scared of the bogie poi that live under their beds.

The Jedi set are the most technical of the most technical moves.
The Jedi set are the poi swinging moves which defy the known laws of the physical world.
For everyone of them, at the moment only a handful are known, is utterly a Jedi move.

Until recently the easiest known move in the the jedi set was a 5 beat weave to reverse 5 beat weave behind the back, preferably done in the wall plane. And yet some exciting new discoveries uncovered using the latest state of the are technology in archeopoilogy. New additions have been threatening to join the ranks of the Jedi set, The Eight Council of Poi demi-gods are currently in congress to determine the place if any of these exciting new finds which include 2 air wraps within the Jedi set.

Not everything is known of the origins of the Jedi set. But it is much hinted in pagan folklaw, that in days of old back in martober two mysterious men, possibly of a tribe of orangeness denoted by their attire met in a misty field in Clay-pham a small village near Londinium. And lo, One of them who may have been the legendary Jedi Tony Touch spaketh unto the other, (the ugly stupid one with poor personal hygiene) who is, it is rumoured to be a distant forefather of the author. (alas the lineage has never been proven).

“That move is utterly Jedi.”

And to the sounds of trumpets from between the legs of a chorus of angels, the Jedi set was gently placed by a large crane amongst the meeting of poiers.
And the quest began...

That was many moons ago, and little remains to document what happened in that original quest...


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coleman
coleman

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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Posted:but there's no windmill there dude - the windmill just gets you used to those in front of the facr circles.

you can see from jillings that in the upper half fountain, the clubs never pass behind the head as in a windmill.
there's just the 2 circles in front of the face on the transition from rev to fwd weave.

upper fountain is:
2 circles behind left shoulder -> 2 circles in front of face -> 2 circles behind right shoulder -> carry back to start position behind left shoulder.

but we can talk about it later when we actually have poi in our hands... wink


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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spiralx
spiralx

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Location: London, UK
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Posted:*stops before he starts another fountain argument*

biggrin


"Moo," said the happy cow.

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coleman
coleman

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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Total posts: 7330
Posted:ubblol those were the days...


hug


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Ariad
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Member Since: 2nd Aug 2004
Total posts: 66
Posted:Sorry for being annoying:

I still don't get how isolation should look like, it's a form of buzzsaw right? only that you also have to circle your hands?

And the fountain thingy, does it have a video?


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spiralx
spiralx

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Posted:Ariad... that's an isolated buzzsaw smile If you're doing it right then the poi should line up with each other as they go round.

But you can do isolated versions of most moves... here's an isolated butterfly

http://www.spherculism.com/poiple/module...p;orderby=dateD
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Dunno about a fountain video... anyone know where that club swinging one was?


"Moo," said the happy cow.

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duballstar
duballstar

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Location: Suburbiton, Yoo-Kay
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Posted:psst... glass' definition of fountains is on page 15. it's what i've always understood them to be, but keep it quite, i don't want any trouble.... wink

It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett

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coleman
coleman

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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Total posts: 7330
Posted:yep: there's a fountain with dodgy counting in the video sample on this page.



i don't have divx here so i can't watch it to tell you where but its the move that looks like (with each poi) 6 little circles spread around a full arm circle.



imagine you are a clock face and your arms are the hands - you spin a small (wrist) circle with each hand starting at 12 o'clock, move to 2 o'clock anb spin another circle with each hand, move to 4 o'clock and spin another circle with each hand...

and so on.



fountains ubblove

horribly hard to explain, contain lots of clues for waistwraps, pretty much the only proper cross-follow flower-type move and on top of all that, was the thing that first got me started on 'antispin'.



but its really still just the trusty old fwd to rev 3bt weave in wallplane... wink


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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duballstar
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Posted:ohh.. never seen that vid b4. just watched it and it says 'fountain' in nice clear letters and shows you the clock face as well. didn't notice the windmill tho wink



whatever a windmill is, remember to 'place your advance order now to avoid disappointment'! biggrin

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It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett

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jaero
jaero

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Posted:my candidate for a jedi move is a behind the head butterfly to a double bicept wrap (takes some stretching) to a reverse behind the head butterfly. it even looks cool...just imagine

I'll get there too late if I shorten my stride, I'll get there too soon if I find me a ride, I'll never move forward if I try to hide this path that I've troden one step at a time.

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Stone
Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne
Member Since: 13th Jun 2001
Total posts: 2830
Posted:ubblol Fountains, hehehe

I dont think fountains really qualify as a Jedi move as they are more a basic building move, but the being able to explain fountains is certainly Jedi.

wink


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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UCOF
UCOF

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Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:What about behind the back airwraps?

and ive noticed a reoccurring them e here.

A move can only be Jedi for a certain ammount of time.
As time goes on.
More people learn it.
It becomes commonplace after a while and becomes simply boring.


Hyperloops and Isolations I belive are examples of these. Generally everyone I meet (spinners, not just random people on the street) knows what an Isolation is, and even more people can do hyperloops.

Thats what I reckon anyway.

smile


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I agree that Jedi is always time dependant.

I'm the best spinner in the world three years ago.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:Written by: coleman

i don't have divx here so i can't watch it to tell you where but its the move that looks like (with each poi) 6 little circles spread around a full arm circle.




psst Spiralx. Get that one back on mr Coleman by pointing out that there are only 5 little circles by eack poi spread around the full arm circle and then use the [Blow raspberry smilie] :P
He will be very confused.

Semlyn and Kati cant count them either so he's in good company.

I'm off back to working on my swing outs


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spiralx
spiralx

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Posted:ubblol

"Moo," said the happy cow.

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tenticle
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Posted:*why* 5 little circles? counts 6 when i do it.
Counting at the top of the circle: 3 behind on the right, 2 in front as you change, 3 behind on the left, 4 in front as it goes over the top, repeat. 12 beats in total, so 6 per poi...
If you count the beats of the red club when it passes the red number on the clock face you only count 5, but the numbers appear each time the red club has done 360' and is pointing towards the 1 again. so it's 6... isn't it?

-ben


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tenticle
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Posted:oh yeah, my vote for a jedi move is 8bt same time thread the needle, and 7bt split time, cos they're both bitches to get right.

-ben


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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:ubblol at tenticle
Yoda voice: try to concentrate young luke, or a strong jedi you will not be.


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tenticle
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Posted:being jedi is for people who need a peer group... wink

-ben


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Rev
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Posted:we all know sithhave cooler powers anyway wink

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tenticle
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Posted:...and the sith, as was amply demonstrated, are losers.

--ben


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Rev
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Posted:you watch too many movies.... we all know that irl good doesnt always win.. its just a cliche.. like the nerd getting the hot chick...

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tenticle
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Posted:Chicks dig nerds.

--ben


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Rev
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Posted:only cool nerds.. like those that spin poi.,.. or staff... or meteor..



thats why the other nerds juggle... lolsign



j/k.... I dig jugglers, especially the contact ones.. they have more dexterity than I'll ever have..



and with that.. I'll stop sidetracking this thread and try to re-align it...



would people consider some of the antispin or inverted stuff more recent jedi? some of that censored is pretty hard.. imo..


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coleman
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Posted:fountains with less circles than there are.
confused
still.
wink

not confused any more if i'm honest - its all relative innit.
drew is head-centric, tenticle and i are wrist-centric (or something less susceptable to wanker puns).

and tenticle is right - chicks dig nerds biggrin
plus, the older a nerd gets, the more attractive he becomes to the opposite sex (learning to juggle only magnifies this effect as far as i can tell tongue).


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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:clue for tenticle:

cheat mode: yes there are 5 little circles and 1 big circle with each club so that = 6 circles in total

(note your breakdown is wrong at the top there is only 1 little circle with each club at the top in front of the face.)

/end cheat mode

chicks who can dance dig boys who can dance smile

and those boys like chicks who can dance angel2 angel2

bye

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Rev
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Posted:old and busted: chicks that can dance
new hotness: chicks that can dance that dig chicks that can dance..

oh.. and for the record.. I'm actually with drew on this one.. I think.. clap


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tenticle
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Posted:one full circle, yes, but if you are counting beats at the top of the circle, each poi passes twice in front of you over the head, once as you come to the front, then once before it goes across, for a total of 4 beats. if you count at the bottom of the circle for the whole move, you do 3,4,3,2 repeat. If you count round in a circle, you count 5, and it's done an extra one you've missed by counting every 1 and 1/5 beat instead of every 1. The counting on the video starts in an odd place, and the placing of the numbers is confusing, but the transitions done are:
yellow poi leads to front,
yellow poi leads to behind,
red poi leads to front
red poi leads to behind,
repeat.

Or,
hand on it's own side leads to crossed side over crossed poi, (yellow leads to front)
(turn shoulders which swaps which hand is crossed, so yellow that has just become crossed is now not anymore)
hand on it's own side leads to crossed side under crossed poi, (yellow leads to back and becomes crossed)
hand on it's own side leads to crossed side under crossed poi, (red leads to front and becomes crossed)
(turn shoulders which swaps which hand is crossed, so red is not crossed now),
hand on it's own side leads to crossed side over crossed poi, (red leads to back)
repeat.

Which is the same as a 3bt weave forwards to reverse and back in wallplane. which has 12 beats total, 6 per poi, and does 3,2,3,4 when counted at the top.

3,3,3,3 is possible but requires a reverse 5bt transition to behind and a reverse 2bt transition back to the front to work, and 3,2,3,2 requires increasingly difficult carries.

So it's six circles with the center of rotation moved around in a big circle, or five circles-and-a-fifth moved around in a big circle. And if i'm still wrong, where?

--ben


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infinite
infinite

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Posted:Post deleted by infinite

dont make peoples heads turn, give them whiplash.

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Rev
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Posted:I remember back when I first learned these things.. fun times.. since you like tangles so much may I suggest the thread.. umm.. I think its tangled gumbies or something.. shows how to take a tangle form front to btb back to front..

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kepki2003
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Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted:Great posts! 5beat weave isolate, lots of half as well as full airwraps!! The force flows through me...
Video proof is comming soon...

-J


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