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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:This space is for all those funksters busy improving their technique by learning new moves - made-up or traditional.



Tell us all about it! We love hearing about our fellow poiers/staffies/misc. toyers succeeding with new things biggrin

It's just hard to keep up with it all sometimes, so if we keep it together you'll be certain to get a little feedback.



here a pat on the back in advance from me



::flash enthusiastically pats your back::



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GLOWSTiCK_NiNJA
GLOWSTiCK_NiNJA

newbie
Location: FiSHERS, iNDY, USA
Member Since: 15th May 2006
Total posts: 7
Posted:I think i just got the 5 beat, but i dont know. i looked at the "how to" and i seem to be doing it... but shouldnt it be harder?

SKiP


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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:SPiN, it's all about practise, there's no real measure of what is hard and what isn't, its all about your experience.

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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DarkFyre
DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North
Member Since: 4th Nov 2005
Total posts: 1965
Posted:First off 5 beat ain't all that difficult once you get the hang of it but its still a cool move.
Second i think that i may have come up with something interesting
Its an extension on the neck wrap and angel wings

-Start in a reverse butterfly and put your neck in the way of the chains before they reach 12 o'clock..
-Let both chains wrap either side of your neck and at 6 o'clock stand back upright with head tilted back.(Note cross your arms and put your hands on the opposite shoulder).
-The poi should spin to 12 above your face and then 6 behind your back.
-Then at 3 and 9 (respectively) extend both arm upward
as you would with angel wings

I would also recomend using the longest poi that you own or else you may hit yourself in the face a few times more than necesarry

hope you all like it.


May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

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DarkFyre
DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North
Member Since: 4th Nov 2005
Total posts: 1965
Posted:Also i have a question. Not being a regular to these forums means that i don't always pic up on some of the terms. I guess thats one of the problems of using text to dresribe complex motion.

Is a TTN like a ham string stretch while doing a 3 beat weave under the knee or am i picturing it wrong?


May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

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fNi
fNi

master of disaster
Location: New York
Member Since: 8th Mar 2004
Total posts: 3354
Posted:the first thing you described is a double neck wrap

as for ttn, check out the free lessons at the top of the page smile


kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more

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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:No, a TTN (or Thread The Needle) is a butterfly move, where you change which hand is on top...

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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DeepSoulSheep
DeepSoulSheep

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin
Member Since: 25th Sep 2002
Total posts: 2617
Posted: Written by:

Is a TTN like a ham string stretch while doing a 3 beat weave under the knee or am i picturing it wrong?



ubblol you ruined my yawn frown


I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:a few bits, filling in gaps mainly:

3:2 (poi) ttn - can't work out how to best make this symmetrical

2:1 (poi) parallel same direction reels + turns

3:2 (planar [back wallplane]) opposite direction reels + an anticlockwise turn

mixing extensions into polyrhythm stuff - e.g. parallel side circles at 2:1, then extend an arm whilst maintaining the speed ratio.
easy to do for the slow arm - a complete brainfreeze to do it for the faster one!

switching arm speed to go from 8 to 4 petals in antispin flowers and back

smile


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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garthy
garthy

old hand
Location: Bristol, England
Member Since: 22nd Apr 2002
Total posts: 717
Posted: Written by: coleman


2:1 (poi) parallel same direction reels + turns




I'm a bit confused by the "parallel" specification. Surely it depends where you start from? confused

Should it be.....

"2:1 (poi) same direction reels + turns"

???

Hmmm..



Or am I being stupid? redface


"**grumble*spuriouswindmills*grumble**" - Coleman
"if poi was only for girls there wouldnt be many good poi spinners...." - Nx

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:hey garthy wave



you're not being stupid - it does seem that way at first but they are different.



the main difference being that 2:1 (poi) follow-time reels are an absolute bitch to spin! wink





the major difference that changing a same direction reel between follow-time and parallel-time reels makes is the timing of the crossovers.



assuming the crossovers are the same for both hands (top and bottom crossovers) as is the norm with hip reels:



in follow-time reels, the crossovers occur half a beat apart whereas in parallel-time reels, they happen simultaneously.



of course, if you spin one poi with a bottom crossover and the other with a top crossover (a seriously geeky move that simian made me learn after uberpoi last year), you get a same-time crossover in a follow-time reel (or vice versa) devil ubbloco ubblol





but the simple answer to your question is:

spinning 2:1 (poi) same direction reels in parallel-time makes it about a million times easier to recognise what's going on, because the poi cross over to the opposite plane at the same time and when the rhythms hit the common beat, both poi should be at the bottom of their circles.





i hereby invent a special prize for the first person to learn to spin this beast:



2:1 (poi), follow-time, same-direction hip reel with same-time crossovers



umm ubblol





cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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jaero
jaero

your new best enemy
Location: over the river, through the wo...
Member Since: 6th Jun 2004
Total posts: 246
Posted:I think I've done it.... that umm... thing. i'm horrible with names however... but, I've done the rest minus the hip reel. but, I'm not sure what a hip reel is... so maybe I have done it. who knows. but as for what everyone was saying about thread the needle, I think it goes for everything you can do with the poi going in opposite directions. where I've found that if you get all the thread the needle weaves down pat... including the double ttn weave, then thread the needle takes on a whole new life and you can do almost everything you can do with a weave. including the corkscrew and the windmill, even fountains and a bunch of random sparatic flower type things... everything except the buzz saw actually... maybe I'll figure that one out someday. when my hands detach from my arms and I join the X-men.

I'll get there too late if I shorten my stride, I'll get there too soon if I find me a ride, I'll never move forward if I try to hide this path that I've troden one step at a time.

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Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:
Alternate(Weave) double snake reel.

lightning,

:R


POI THEO(R)IST

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Geeza
Geeza

addict
Location: Leeds
Member Since: 14th May 2006
Total posts: 694
Posted:on day 6 now and have just spent over 2 hours trying to learn the 2b weave going backwards. good god it was a brain roaster.

can now also do overhead butterfly without leaning forwards. tomorrow ill try and get the 3b weave in reverse and butterfly going in reverse.

it seems so much harder spinning poi the other way once you go forward all the time. suppose it just like left handed and left footed though. just train it and itll work right soon enough


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Sporky
Sporky

addict
Location: Glasgow
Member Since: 25th Jul 2005
Total posts: 663
Posted:I finally got straight jackets. Invert and isolate at the same time... A real mind f*** to do but fantastic when you get it.

Have faith in what you can do and respect for what you can't

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[Nx?]
[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 3749
Posted:well, looky here!

5bt ww (only cos stregai can do it and i cant, was pretty easy when i tried)

antispin buzzsaw fountain.

woot!

T wave


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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Seye
Seye

Geek
Location: Manchester, UK
Member Since: 27th Mar 2005
Total posts: 1261
Posted:360 butterfly hyperloops.

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fNi
fNi

master of disaster
Location: New York
Member Since: 8th Mar 2004
Total posts: 3354
Posted:antispin fountain and buzzsaw fountain apparently

kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more

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oli
not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 2052
Posted:buzzsaw showers.. kind of... ubbrollsmile

Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no

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Geeza
Geeza

addict
Location: Leeds
Member Since: 14th May 2006
Total posts: 694
Posted:2 and 3 beat weave going backwards

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infinite
infinite

member
Location: ashland OR
Member Since: 9th Nov 2004
Total posts: 110
Posted:Turning waist wrapped 5 beat with no wraps, turnign opposite directions with no extra beats.. many many beat waist wrapped with no wraps , lots of over under and under the reaching arm. Chase the sun 4 beat to long arm to chase the sun, a real straight jacket, isolate one poi thru 1 arm to inside and continue to do crosser weave, did it on fire last week. poi in mouth and weave with one. Try reavers poi flower, arms moving forward.. harder the any goofy arm anti spun poi stuff. turning 360 btb weave left (finally) flower with a lockout on horizontal plane in front. turning thru the legs with alternating front and back threading. I am teachign classes for two hours a week on top of normal spinning, still lots to learn, throws and more.

dont make peoples heads turn, give them whiplash.

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Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:Propper (long arm) wall plane BF "stop" over heads.



light,



:R


POI THEO(R)IST

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Suibom
Suibom

addict
Location: Oregon, USA
Member Since: 2nd Sep 2005
Total posts: 577
Posted:Not really sure why I was trying to learn it, but I did smile... Turning crossers. Tough to keep the planes proper on that one.

Peace,
- Sui


Definition of poi- A Hawaiian food made from the tuber of the taro that is cooked, pounded to a paste, and fermented.

Ahnold discussing poi - "It is naht a toober!"

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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:Working on a first degee inverted barrelroll with 180 degree plane change >,< the plane change is a thru-wrapped inside partial stall from right to left only currently.

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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DarkFyre
DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North
Member Since: 4th Nov 2005
Total posts: 1965
Posted:Thanks for the explination of ttn

and tooday i was kinda getting to grips with a barrelroll i think
check dunk's vid
coz thats what i'm doing, but at the moment it needs to be cleaned up, a lot.


May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

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leifer
leifer

newbie
Location: Memphis, TN
Member Since: 21st May 2006
Total posts: 3
Posted:My first post here. I just learned the reverse 3-beat weave. Not much, I know. But I'm a noob without much free time to spend practicing.

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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:biggrin everyone has to start somewhere Leifer!

2:1 TTn


Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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Fractos
Fractos

Dirty Fire Project
Location: Manchester
Member Since: 13th Jul 2003
Total posts: 133
Posted:*cough*

FIVE
BEAT
WEAVE!


(forwards)

and kind of backwards, except I'm not wholly convinced that I've actually got it on the left side as the right side version seems to do more twisting, but same number of spins.

Very Odd Indeed.

But very happy cool

~aFx


oOo
You see, you already know circle-theory,
you just don't *know* that you know.

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Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:1] Continual parallel throwing(wheel plane)



1 beat + 1 throw



2] 2 Lock-out + 1 Pendulum





3] Inversion -> hyperloop





lightning,



:R


POI THEO(R)IST

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keldur
keldur

newbie
Location: Vienna
Member Since: 15th May 2006
Total posts: 6
Posted:first time fire spinning yesterday!!!

weave (forwards and backwards) 3 and 5 beat, fountain, windmill and giant windmill, butterfly and variations
unfortunally the chain of my pois isnt constructed to do isolations - that sucks... and it was really weird to do stops on the arms with the fire....

now im infected... have to go again tonight...


could this be the plastic-age?

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xomspinner
newbie
Location: Italy
Member Since: 28th May 2006
Total posts: 5
Posted:Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!! I just learned to do the alternate butterfly. Lol, I know it isn't something REALLY good but I've only been spinning for 3 days now so I think it's good of myself. I also can do the weave, but that was the first one I wanted to learn lol, it looks so awesome.

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