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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

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Location: Auckland

Total posts: 3989
Posted:Ok Ok It's been a while now since the thread about a dedicated staff forum was begun, and there seems to be heaps of support for it, but there are several relevant issues brought up by the moderators.I suggest, instead of pleading with them, that we overcome the issues they mentioned first. IE put our money where our mouths are.As far as I know, they all contribute their time for free, and we should be grateful to them for the work they already do (inspirational music played in the background).Anyway, by far the biggest problem I have come across in all the previous staff threads has been lack of detailed descriptions and terms for moves, as well as the huge plethora of moves and variations available. I'm certain that this was an issue with poi a while ago as well, and we need to make a concerted effort, as a group, to start defining some of the basic moves so we have a common language.Bec & Elke's book is probably a good start, and I would like to us to all start making up simple, easy to remember descriptive names, starting with the video clips on this site. This way we can see exactly what is haening and there will be no misunderstandings at the begginning. We can move on to other moves later, but for now I would like us just to stick to the SINGLE STAFF VIDS OF XAEDA.If we can start talking about moves in the same way as the poi'ers, then we'll have won half of the battle, and will start learning more from this site as well... *** I suggest *** *** "Static Vertical 360" *** *** to describe the first move of Xaeda's (ie spinning in front in a circle)1. Static, because the arms and wrists stay in the same position relative to each other, only the hands are turning. This will be good in the future for verbally seperating moves where the arms/wrists change positions. Also, this does not matter how or where your fingers are or what they are doing, as we all seem to do finger moves differently, it wil be impossible to describe these fully but it doesnt matter, as long as the staff, arms and wrists are doing the same thing, it will all make sense.2. 360 as a term for a full rotation in the same airspace, with trails it would look like a plate or disk with no other movement apparent.3. Vertical, because the plate/disk mentioned above would be vertical (ie, you look from below or above, and it will only be a line)If we think about the names and how they affect future descriptions, rather than just choosing a cool sounding name, I'm certain we'll progress much faster.How about a corny catchprase too, like "Go and get STAFFed!!!" (dont choose this one, im sure you guys can do better...Please put in a suggestion for the second move, but put your reasons why you chose it in full, as above. Try not to disgree with the terms used, as long as the descriptions make sense, we should adopt it, to stop arguements...------------------Charles (INFERNO)newdolbel@hotmail.comhttp://juggling.co.nz[This message has been edited by Charles (edited 11 September 2001).][This message has been edited by Charles (edited 11 September 2001).]

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

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Location: Auckland

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Posted:Flash, yes you are right in a way. Certain moves and staff movements are co-dependant on each other.The path of the staff thorugh the air that your are thinking of is called a FIGURE 8. Not only on this site but also in Bec & Elke's single staff book. (although they go into wrist movements too).What makes this move Forward is that the crossover point (if the center of the staff left a trail then this point would be an X in front of you body) has the thumb-half of the staff passesing through it on stroke. The thumb and (usually) the pointing finger are touch each other the whole time.i.e A downstroke with the leading edge.Backwards is when the staff follows exactly the same pattern in the air (regardless of hands and wrists). But the wrist is turn 180 and begins the move upside down (leading with the pinky end of the staff).Bec & Elke's book describes both the hand and wrist movements too. However, I've come across several people who make the staff follow exactly the same pattern through the air, but hold it differently and sometimes change grips halfway through!I don't want to frustrate these people by them seeing FORWARDS as a FIGURE 8, because any further descriptions on wrist and hand movements won't make sense to them.However, I may have bitten off more than I can chew...We'll see, and I'll keep nutting through it.------------------Charles (INFERNO)newdolbel@hotmail.comhttp://juggling.co.nz[This message has been edited by Charles (edited 25 September 2001).]

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Location: london, england

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Posted:right. i just wasted god knowhs how long reading all this crud. here goes the explanation:1.tie a ribbon to each end of your staff.2. when you are twirling it at either SIDE of your body,3. the ribbons will appear as a wheel, annulus,ring etc to be rolling in the same direction as you are facing: THIS IS FORWARD 4. when the ribbons form a wheel (annulus ring)appearing to roll in the opposite direction, this is backwards or reverse.all this assumes that you apply a notion of friction between ribbons and ground.erm. sorry if i offend.o-o

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Spanner
BRONZE Member since Feb 2003

Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...

Total posts: 2790
Posted:quote:Originally posted by Ade:
Just to throw a spanner in...Wheee!


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you are nice woman.

yay,

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:arm is that spanner moving fwd in the wall plane, or fwd in the juggler's plane?

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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:WHATTHEHELLISTHISDOINGINPOIMOVES?!?!

MOOOOOODERATOR!!!

Please moderate this post elsewhere. It only serves to remind me of more things I can not do.


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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by NYC:
It only serves to remind me of more things I can not do. what like dress up in pele's cloths and be a real girl.


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague

Total posts: 1841
Posted:

POI THEO(R)IST

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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Hey, I think that Pele and I would both agree that I'm more of a girl than her.

Leather-clad poi goddess? No, that's her. But girlie girl? Seems more of a me thing.

Thanks for thinking of me anyway.

(Move this thread damnit!)


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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
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Posted:right enough of this stuff about NYC being a leather clad goddess

I know NYC knows why this thread is in poi moves, but some of our newer members might be interested to know.

This was WAAAAAAYYY back when myself (not a moderator then) and a few other diehard staffers were trying very hard to get a "staff moves" section on HoP.

The section this is in was originally called "moves", rather than "poi moves" and had about 200 poi posts for every staff one.

Funny how things change, huh?

I'd like to leave this in the poi moves thread just for the historical significance.

IF YOU POI GUYS ARE OK WITH THAT?????????


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NYC


NYC

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Posted:The historical significance of totally confusing newbies?

You're a strange one Charles....

Wouldn't the new staff kids get something out of having this in Staff?


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Charles
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Charles

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Posted:They might, which is why there is a thread linking to this in the staff moves thread.



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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:long may be the reign of staff!!

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

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Posted:some of my flegling posts are ion here,.... <wanders wistfully off>

N?


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Durbs
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England

Total posts: 5688
Posted:Grrr - pesky staffers invading the poi section.

C'mon clear off the lot of you! Just cos staffs don't tangle - it doesn't make them cool


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

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Posted:quote:Originally posted by Trait Of 1112™:
quote:Originally posted by NYC:
It only serves to remind me of more things I can not do. what like dress up in pele's cloths and be a real girl. The only reason he wouldn't be able to is because my leather pants would be too long on him!
Yeah, NYC is definately the girlie girl of the two of us, though I could make comments about having a "staff" that would negate that NYC!


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King Of Bongo


King Of Bongo

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Posted:Its Pinky, Pinky and the Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain...

starring charles as Brain
KoB as Pinky
HoP as the world...


Pinky: So what are we gonna do tonight then brain?

Brain: Same thing we do every night, Pinky! Try to take over the world...

"later"

Brain: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Pinky: I think so, Brain, but can the Gummi Worms really live in peace with the Marshmallow Chicks?


never mind... (KoB at himself before wandering off mumbling something about it being funny to him at the time...)


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