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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:I get loads of emails from people asking about costumes and performance issues and recently was asked about make-up, masks and other facial coverings while performing fire. I thought it was intriguing enough to bring to the board.About masks..I have in the past advised that they be half masks, either covering the side of the face or the top, so as to ensure healthy breathing. I also think they should have enlarged eye holes and no "accessories" that really protrude into an area where they will either mess with your site lines or catch fire, this is especially true for us breathers and eaters. I also think that leather, especially a soft and thin leather such as deer hide, would be the best type of mask to use as they are form fitting and not nearly as hot/flammable as the platic, paper mache, feather and other such masks available to make or buy out there. In my experience I have found they are also more durable.Someone suggested a scarf over the face as per one of the Cirque Du Soliel shows (Quidam I think), which would be an amaing effect, so long as it is very thin and tied loose enough around the head that it can be whipped off in case of an emergency. The tie ends would also come into question I think, and need to be tucked in or under or some such thing.Make-up....first of all, nail polish is flammable and will actually melt your nails if exposed to the flame...it has happened to me a couple of times, without injury. Along these lines I have had questions about the fake acrylic nails. Acrylic is the main ingrdient in the nail polish that is flammable so right there on the ends of fingertips are some melty wicks. Not a grand idea, methinks.As for other make-ups...mascara actually helps to slow down the singe, and yes, I have singed my eyelashes. I use the waterproof kind. It doesn't prevent the singe but it sure kept my eyes from getting an all new kind of twinkle in them!!!Any facial make-up, meaning base, blush, eye shadow, pressed colors, etc...water base will sweat right off your face. Sometimes when this happens it make a beeline for your eyes and gets kind of stingy. Also water based doesn't tend to be as heavy as oil and so doesn't show as well when on stage. This is the more everyday make-up. Water based mae-up is not at all flammable, if you use heavy amounts and brush over your entire face with powder (make-up setting powder) when you're done. This make-up is perfect for short shows, you should be good for two hours of off and on performing, before it starts to sweat off and will need to be re-dusted with powder, or have to reapply. Oil or greased based is heavier and thicker. It gives great dynamic to your face because it can be more bold without having to apply as much. It doesn't sweat off, in fact it can be damn hard to take off after the fact. Too much of this can actually clog your pores and hinder perspiration (which if it covers more than 40% of your body is a bad thing). This type of make-up is theatrical make-up. Depending on how thicklythis is applied, it can cause a heat burn. That is, if the flame gets too close the oil base for the make-up heats up and will burn you. However, this make-up is perfect for long sets and day long events because it doesn't sweat off and it holds a string theatrical dynamic, perfect for those very artsy and very theatrical flaming and pyrotechnic shows. Eye and lips pencils are both fine, great accents and in some cases can be used to "color" in parts of the face so that you don't have to worry about water vs. oil, however, these can sometimes stain your flesh.Lipstick, gloss and chapsticks. These are fat and petroleum based products. If you do fire eating, don't put these on until after you are done. They will heat up on your lips and can burn you. I am talking not only from experience personally (I didn't think about it and had some on for practice ones day, my lips got very warm and I stopped and took off the lipstuff before I got burned or continued on) but from others that I have talked with. If you want color on your lips then I recommend a pencil, if you want shine, lick your lips.Also remember that day shows require less make-up than night shows.As for topical things, perfumes and lotions. pj's suggestion of Avon's Silicone Glove or some other such lotion is a good one. Any moisturizer that is non-comudogenic (sp?), hypo-allergenic (that is non-pore clogging and won't cause an allergic reaction) is a great thing to smear on flesh before a show. It creates a barrier so that it helps to wash soot off easier afterwards. If you are a perfume cologne kind of person go for it. I was asked if since these things contained alcohol as a main ingredient wouldn't they serve to make the skin more flammable? Nope. The alcohol is in the scents to thin them down for easier aspiration as well as to make them adhere to the skin better, the alcohol evaporates so the scent is all that is left behind. Now whether or not the synthetic scents leave anything remotely flammable behind, I really don't know, though I doubt it.Anyway, whether you wanted it, cared for it or not, there you go.
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Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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melissa
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

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Location: madagascar

Total posts: 156
Posted:thanks for the info, my favorite cosmetic/stage makeup to wear is the krylon body paint. its the highest quality of the water based paints and comes in about two dozen colors. i tend to like it more than oil based because it is easier to paint on and take off, when it is on you don't feel it (no yucky skin effect)and because it is easier to blend to make the color tones that you specifically need. i have had no problem with this stuff sweating off even when it is painted directly next to my eyes. the only color that i would not recommend is the red because it tends to leave a pink glow to your face when you wash it off. this stuff is fun for creating suntan designs on your body. a few years ago i painted designs all over my friends upper body, unfortuatly he got a bad sun burn but the images lasted the summer. kinda like henna in reverse.

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tekknogurrl
BRONZE Member since Feb 2001

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Location: New Paltz, NY, USA

Total posts: 90
Posted:thanks pele- answers to questions i hadn't ever thought to ask, but needed to know! you rule!

~K~No matter what you do, one billion Chinese won't care.

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pounce
SILVER Member since Jan 2003

pounce

All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all a...

Total posts: 9831
Posted:*bump* (hey look i even did i search!)

so my question is, is there any way you can keep nails and still be safe? i just got hired to do fire safety for a show at one of the hotels on the Strip. i had acrylic nails a long time ago, but haven't had them since i started doing fire so i never really thought about it. but just recently a whim, i decided to get my nails done. i haven't been spinning fire recently because of my hectic work schedule so i didn't even think about it as an issue. but now that i'm starting this new job, i'm faced with the likelihood that i have to get rid of my nails. obviously it isn't that huge of an issue because the show is way more important than my nails. but i'd like to keep them if at all possible.

any suggestions (from Pele or anyone else who knows and has exerience with this) on ways to be safe and pretty? smile ubblol


I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Written by: pounce

i just got hired to do fire safety for a show at one of the hotels on the Strip.




For being a fire safety the only large concern is to make sure they are short enough to be functional. You want to still be able to pull the pin on the extinguisher easily and be able to handle an emergency without scratching anyone (ie: if you have to rip clothes off someone...that sounded naughty! wink ).

I keep my nails very short, and I still polish them for shows and because they are short, my nails don't melt off anymore! lol

I'd also like to clarify in my original post, when I said "barrier cream" I meant so the soot is easier to come off. Moisturizer will not help block fuel particles from being absorbed into the skin.

Bug sprays and tanning oils are meant to lay on the skin and not fade away. Components have been found to be flamamble. Be cautious when using these and doing fire.

Nice digging pounce. I forgot about this one!

Hope this helped. If not, ask away! biggrin
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Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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pounce
SILVER Member since Jan 2003

pounce

All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all a...

Total posts: 9831
Posted:yay! i didn't think they'd be that big of an issue since i'm not doing the fire directly. but i was worried. plus my boss (who actually doesn't know mcuh of anything about fire) said something and thought i might need to get rid of the nails. i usually keep them really short anyhow so that's not a problem.

thanks pele, the info helps! smile


I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Pele, clean up the formatting a bit and I think you just wrote an article that could be posted on the site.

*pokes you in the ribs* tongue


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:What? Another one? Ahhhh man! wink
Will clean it up a bit later, thanks!

Careful there love, I poke back! devil


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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