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Forums > Social Discussion > Reply to our USE of Doodle in a Deleted POST on Instagram
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Posted:
Yes it was a mistake to put that post up on instagram which we had promptly removed.
We are truly sorry for this post as we know this would have upset the flow arts community, Forged Creations and their customers, We assure you this was not our intention.
The fan shown in the photo was a Forged creations Doodlegrip(TM) fan and we did not mean for it to seem like we were making that exact fan or a copy of it.
Our design is very different based on the Nautical Star and only similarity is in the fact that the outer grip ring is not a full circle and it has a ring within.
The “doodle" name has been seen by some as a type of “grip" being a smaller circle held within a larger circle, and not an overall design encompassing the flattened outer ring and spoke design features of an actual Doodlegrip(TM) Fire Fan. That mistake was bound to happen really as their trademark seems to talk of a grip only. Much as a “Russian Grip” is a shape of a grip only.
We will not be using “doodle” to describe the "Nautical Fire Fan" and hope this helps clear it up.
Once again we are very sorry for this post and for any confusion with the brand name Doodlegrip(TM).
Kind Regards
Malcolm
PS.
The "Nautical Fire Fan" is based on the Nautical Star design.
There is no copyright on the Nautical Star design.
It is to be released in 5-6 weeks.
Although like other Fire Fans they continue to have rounded hand grips, welded rods, rings and Kevlar(R) wicks, so no doubt people will see similarities in other designs.
Yes it was a mistake to put that post up on instagram which we had promptly removed.
We are truly sorry for this post as we know this would have upset the flow arts community, Forged Creations and their customers, We assure you this was not our intention.
The fan shown in the photo was a Forged creations Doodlegrip(TM) fan and we did not mean for it to seem like we were making that exact fan or a copy of it.
Our design is very different based on the Nautical Star and only similarity is in the fact that the outer grip ring is not a full circle and it has a ring within.
The “doodle" name has been seen by some as a type of “grip" being a smaller circle held within a larger circle, and not an overall design encompassing the flattened outer ring and spoke design features of an actual Doodlegrip(TM) Fire Fan. That mistake was bound to happen really as their trademark seems to talk of a grip only. Much as a “Russian Grip” is a shape of a grip only.
We will not be using “doodle” to describe the "Nautical Fire Fan" and hope this helps clear it up.
Once again we are very sorry for this post and for any confusion with the brand name Doodlegrip(TM).
Kind Regards
Malcolm
PS.
The "Nautical Fire Fan" is based on the Nautical Star design.
There is no copyright on the Nautical Star design.
It is to be released in 5-6 weeks.
Although like other Fire Fans they continue to have rounded hand grips, welded rods, rings and Kevlar(R) wicks, so no doubt people will see similarities in other designs.
May your balls always burn
Posted:
re: Using Photo without permission
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re: Using Photo without permission
Please note we do use some competition photos to promote the arts, competitions, specific types of performance and types of props.
We do disclose our privacy policy, more so than many other sites and are very clear on what may happen to content (Photos, Text, Videos) being uploaded.
As per GDPR regulations we allow removal of users content.
May your balls always burn
Posted:
There is no flattened outer ring on forged creations fans. Doodle is the design of the grip.
The nautical star is one thing, their fans are not and do not contain a nautical star. But they are a very distinct shape that they created. Come up with your own design.
Coming out to the public saying you won't be using the doodlegrip but instead the nautical fan design that they used to sell is not a great way to redeem yourself, and will still put you in the same situation if you release a fan with a forged creations design.
I can only hope the differences are astronomically different so you don't anger an entire community. And I can only hope that it doesn't use the same grip. Just because there's no patent, doesn't mean it won't have a negative effect on your business.
My recommendation is to hash it out directly with forged creations. Share your current design, come up with a solution together.
There is no flattened outer ring on forged creations fans. Doodle is the design of the grip.
The nautical star is one thing, their fans are not and do not contain a nautical star. But they are a very distinct shape that they created. Come up with your own design.
Coming out to the public saying you won't be using the doodlegrip but instead the nautical fan design that they used to sell is not a great way to redeem yourself, and will still put you in the same situation if you release a fan with a forged creations design.
I can only hope the differences are astronomically different so you don't anger an entire community. And I can only hope that it doesn't use the same grip. Just because there's no patent, doesn't mean it won't have a negative effect on your business.
My recommendation is to hash it out directly with forged creations. Share your current design, come up with a solution together.
Posted:
Hi Sasha,
"Coming out to the public saying you won't be using the doodlegrip but instead the nautical fan design that they used to sell is not a great way to redeem yourself, and will still put you in the same situation if you release a fan with a forged creations design. "
Sorry you feel that way.
Production of our Fire Fan was started several weeks ago at the metal factory.
Please rest assured they are not the same design.
We have contacted Forged Creations. I have never seen their nautical star on Etsy myself. So that will be a conversation between us and them.
And as you know, no one can pass the "I can only hope the differences are astronomically different"
Because YES parts will be the same, they both have rings, made of metal, have stitched wicks, welded joints, pokey out parts, finger spinning rings, wicks rotating 180 deg. which we have been doing ourselves for much longer than them
.
Have a great weekend :)
Hi Sasha,
"Coming out to the public saying you won't be using the doodlegrip but instead the nautical fan design that they used to sell is not a great way to redeem yourself, and will still put you in the same situation if you release a fan with a forged creations design. "
Sorry you feel that way.
Production of our Fire Fan was started several weeks ago at the metal factory.
Please rest assured they are not the same design.
We have contacted Forged Creations. I have never seen their nautical star on Etsy myself. So that will be a conversation between us and them.
And as you know, no one can pass the "I can only hope the differences are astronomically different"
Because YES parts will be the same, they both have rings, made of metal, have stitched wicks, welded joints, pokey out parts, finger spinning rings, wicks rotating 180 deg. which we have been doing ourselves for much longer than them
.Have a great weekend :)
May your balls always burn
Posted:
May your balls always burn
Posted:
Thanks for your reply.
Your fans are very different. We all know the same basic parts and construction are involved, the important thing is the design itself.
I was honestly worried when you started talking about the nautical design aspect because bringing up two similarities when one wasn't mentioned originally was concerning. They have an older design that looks like a nautical star shape. And your statement was heavily based on fair use reasoning rather than an apology and assurance that your design is not the same. That's all you had to say in the end.
Thanks for your reply.
Your fans are very different. We all know the same basic parts and construction are involved, the important thing is the design itself.
I was honestly worried when you started talking about the nautical design aspect because bringing up two similarities when one wasn't mentioned originally was concerning. They have an older design that looks like a nautical star shape. And your statement was heavily based on fair use reasoning rather than an apology and assurance that your design is not the same. That's all you had to say in the end.
Posted:
SFG's comments here are funny.
but wow:
doodlegrip £160 for basic looking construction
HOP £90 for complex construction and look nothing like doodlegrip.
SFG's comments here are funny.
but wow:
doodlegrip £160 for basic looking construction
HOP £90 for complex construction and look nothing like doodlegrip.
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