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When Tom Cruise uttered those famous words in the film Top Gun, "I feel the need, the need for speed", he would not have known that his words had already been taken literally by the U.S. Air Force, in a way he could never have imagined.
This documentary exposes how the Air Force, Navy and Special Forces have been issuing mind-altering drugs to their soldiers and airmen - almost certainly resulting in the deaths of allied forces and innocent civilians. In an extraordinary investigation, American military personnel speak for the first time, to explain how they were used as guinea pigs in wars ranging from the Gulf, Bosnia, Afghanistan and right up until the recent conflict in Iraq. We also discover that vital information on 'friendly fire' incidents has been withheld and examine the true human costs of wars fought on drugs.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:And just in my opinion ... smiley or no smiley that was uncalled for.
Originally posted by The United Chains of Fire (Jon):
Killing everything indiscriminatly regardless of ethnicity, religion, colour, political bias.......
hang on
...isnt that what the Americans did?..
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:I don't think anyone here said that it was speed. I think people maybe it clear that it was dex-amphetamine otherwise known as Dexedrine, which is prescribed as a ADHD drug for children. But just because it's prescribed to children doesn't make it any less dangerous and highly addictive then any other amphetamine. I have known quite a few kids and friends who became highly dependent on Dexedrine. Also you have to remember these drug are prescribe for ADHA and Narcolepsy not to help you stay up while you fly a plane. Some effects of amphetamines that (I think anyways) call for concern are blurred vision,loss of coordination, uncontrollable movements (twitching, jerking, tremors, etc...), a false sense of self-confidence or superiority, ect. Obviously a lot more dangerous then a caffiene pill. Whether it's illegal or not is besides the point as prescription drugs can and are as addictive as illegal drugs.
Obviusly it isnt speed nor is it a crontroled drug IE illeagle.
quote:It is our governments business to find out what happen when 4 of our soldiers were killed and 8 injured.
Next, tell your Govs. to mind their own damn business.
quote:Didn't you ask stone to be 100 % honest about the "doc."? And aren't we all talking about the US Air force?
secondly I never said anything about the Air Force... read again!
quote:and when I missread it and thought he said "As you said..." thats why I brought up the USAF. My bust. However every branch of the US armed forces has pilots... not just the USAF. Once again... my bust folks sorry for my confusion.
As said previously, the US air force does not deny forcing pilots to take drugs
quote:Well... if you wanna play that card, why do you care if the US Gov wants to find and bring to justice those who conspired and killed 3000 people? Especially when it was no accident!
It is our governments business to find out what happen when 4 of our soldiers were killed and 8 injured.
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Take the power back
quote:Yep uhhuh, there were many cases of whole towns being sacked and the women tied up and raped and stores and banks pillaged for their endless bounty.
I'm sure the iraqis and the afghans would like to see the american soldiers who tortured raped and pillaged caught and dealt with too
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, and screaming "WOO-HOO What a ride!"
quote:Look, I am not trying to rationalise anything, nor am I arguing the legality or the morality of the use of the pills.
ray there is documented evidance of the selected groups of pilots where givent forms to sign stating they it was there choice to take the pills but if they didnt sign they would not be alowed into the air this was ment to be volentery so in esens these forms where illigal and imoral to force these man to take class a drugs which state in plane writing not to use heavy machinry while under the influnce
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:Because it was not only Americans that died in 9/11 (I'm assuming that the 3000 you refer to). Secondly noone questioned the US taking a stand against Al-Queda. The US had full support of the UN when entering Afghanistan. Have you brought justice to anyone by invading Iraq? Last time I checked there was no connection between Iraq and 9/11. The US terrorist alert has not gone down since these two wars. Iraqis are still killing US soldiers but this is going out of the intial topic.
Well... if you wanna play that card, why do you care if the US Gov wants to find and bring to justice those who conspired and killed 3000 people? Especially when it was no accident!
quote:A debate works better when both people are educated on the topic. If you are joining the discussion isn't your responsibility to get the facts.
If someone wants to come up with all the facts about these FF incidents that the doc. talked about feel free... I would like to see them.
quote:So military people aren't human? Do drugs not effect them like it would any other human being? You
What it says on the bottle is irrelivent, why? Because that involves use for the general public, last time I checked the military was not the general public.
quote:Where did I say this?
first you say there are no pills
quote:Happens all the time? Okay whatever... how can I not call you a moron?
If it's so easy to make those mistakes why doesn't the british army or any other do it all the time mister?
quote:BS Tika!! Do a search for the "Anti War" topic, thats 18 pages of people bitching about the US action against Al Queda!!
Because it was not only Americans that died in 9/11 (I'm assuming that the 3000 you refer to). Secondly noone questioned the US taking a stand against Al-Queda. The US had full support of the UN when entering Afghanistan. Have you brought justice to anyone by invading Iraq? Last time I checked there was no connection between Iraq and 9/11. The US terrorist alert has not gone down since these two wars. Iraqis are still killing US soldiers but this is going out of the intial topic
quote:Yes, I am a Marine, I am invincible, invulnrable and all around superman!
So military people aren't human? Do drugs not effect them like it would any other human being? You
quote:Well when things dont air on TV I cant watch them now can I? So how can I watch the Doc.???
A debate works better when both people are educated on the topic. If you are joining the discussion isn't your responsibility to get the facts
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:Are u sure u have awarded to point to the winning side, Ray??? I think you have proved the case that the US government sanctions the use of amphetamines by the US Air Force, and confirms the fact that US pilots are issued with dex amphetamine.
Hmm... I see that you cant argue with the people in the know. hehehehe *adds yet another point to his scoreboard*
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
quote:Stop! now your just being sencless, who said anything about this being a joke? Did you do research to see how much time is put into mishap investigations, do you know how many hours are spent on safty, hell just yesterday I spent the afternoon in a Safty Brief, 4 solid hours of seeing what happens when you screw up, and how it could have been avoided. Have you ever seen someones head chopped in half by a helo prop?
Personally, I think many of the recent ff incidents and stuff up’s are caused by inappropriate training, poor leader ship, poor tactics and the arrogance of underestimation the enemy; just like in Vietnam. I am also surprised by how flippantly you treat these incidents. I would have thought that an important objective of any military force would be to minimise this situations, but the US militarie's attitude and complacency in this regard is worrying. It is not a joke.
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"