According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Patriarch917
It is also irresponsible to say "the best lifestyle choice is abstinence until marriage, but we don't respect you enough to think that you can do it, so here's a condom."
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
Written by: Patriarch
If we are serious about getting rid of things like AIDS, the best way to do that is convince people to alter their behavior.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: andrealee
Faith in fire: If you do not beleive in co-incidence, and state that perhaps the soul came into the fetus for some reason not yet seen, it would seem you believe that there is a purpose or a grand plan to events in life. Yes? God, fate, something along those lines. If this is the case, then would not death of the fetus/soul, whether due to abortion or otherwise, also be a part of the whole scheme? Maybe we dont see the whole picture, and the experience of aborting a fetus is somehow relevant to our development as human beings. Could it teach us something? Or maybe the soul in question was simply not meant to be here very long.
Written by: andrealee
...when abortion has not been available, we have seen the disasterous consequences; women dying from back room versions, unwanted neglected children, smothered babies... etc etc, wont even outline them all, I am sure you know the history. It is also macarbe.
Written by: andrealee
...don’t let the government try to stop people from making decisions about their own bodies!!!
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: andrealee
...a fetus is inside and completely dependant on the womans body. (...) For good or ill, it remains subject to all the experiences and choices of that woman, until able to live outside her womb.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: andrealee
Yet, it would seem whoever/whatever was the designer of our birth/procreation process did include a variety of methods stimulating the abortion of a fetus when the conditions for its life are not appropriate. It happens all the time, without our conscious awareness. Why is it morally unacceptable to participate in this process with the application of conscious awareness?
Written by: andrealee
You are welcome to avoid all things you consider moral wrongs that have to do with anything inside your body. All I ask is that you do not do so with anything inside of mine.
That is the basic point and distinction: a fetus is inside and completely dependant on the womans body. It does not have a life seperate of this, not yet. That is why so many of us do not feel that it is an unacceptable "encroachment on another person's life" at that stage. The fetus has no life separate of the body it is attached to/ living off/inside. For good or ill, it remains subject to all the experiences and choices of that woman, until able to live outside her womb.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: Molly
Patriarch, may I ask you two questions?
I apologise if they have already been covered in this thread, but it is very long one to search through.
Firstly at what point do you consider pregnancy to begin: at fertilisation or implantation?
Written by: Molly
Secondly, what action would you consider appropriate in the case of ectopic pregnancy - where the foetus implants outside of the uterus?
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: andrealee
As for the mention of some bizarre horrific scenarios where the head is still inside etc etc... Women are not out there demanding the right to slaughter the infant as they give birth, head exposed or no.
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: andrealee
It seems that you do not fully respect or understand the integrity of a pregnancy. The mother and the fetus are joined. It is not just something randomly stuffed inside a woman. It grows from her and within her, taking calcium from her very bones if thats what it needs. Hormones flood her body, changing everything. The fetus impacts her, and she, it. But it cannot exist without her.
Written by: andrealee
I do not think it equates to murder, because of the reasons we have been debating- basically because the fetus is inside, grown from ,attached and dependant to the woman. It is not yet an individual person.
Written by: andrealee
To extend all rights to something that may or may not be born -may or may not eventually become a person- gets us into the " every sperm is sacred" territory, and aside from enjoying the song, I doubt we want to take the debate there!
Written by: andrealee
The dependancy arguement you lay out is also weak. The comparison to a person reliant on medical machinery, and why we dont remove them from that dependancy-- well, a few points about that. The first is that we do. The people responsible for enacting the life/death medical intervention wishes for that individual can and do determine that the life support shall be removed if the conditions are such that this seems best. We offer life support, but we are not always obliged legally or morally to have it in place, or keep it in place.
Written by: andrealee
The second distinction is that the intervention that creates or removes such medical dependency typically happens after birth, when our laws and our society have agreed to call the being an individual person, and thus they become subject to our civil protection, have rights etc.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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A sperm has merely the potential to become a person: if it can find an egg. Once the sperm and egg join, a new human has been formed. From that point, only time, nutrition, and shelter need be provided to it, just as with us.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...