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Posted:
Well, seeing as we are starting to take over the
"Offical HOP "I just learnt a new move" thread", I thought we should contain this bit just to jugglerisng and the throwing and dropping of balls, clubs, rings and other miscellaneous juggling props.
Today I mothered learning 441.
I had a few throws of 531 but only 1 catch. I think my 5 is too high.
Note for the mods: I DEMAND on behalf of the jugglers on this site, as has been done with the aforementioned "Poi moves thread", that this one is made a sticky thread.
Otherwise its just favouritism really....
Well, seeing as we are starting to take over the
"Offical HOP "I just learnt a new move" thread", I thought we should contain this bit just to jugglerisng and the throwing and dropping of balls, clubs, rings and other miscellaneous juggling props.
Today I mothered learning 441.
I had a few throws of 531 but only 1 catch. I think my 5 is too high.
Note for the mods: I DEMAND on behalf of the jugglers on this site, as has been done with the aforementioned "Poi moves thread", that this one is made a sticky thread.
Otherwise its just favouritism really....
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Posted:
4c singles rule!
feels really on the edge...
or maybe i need more practice :humm:
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4c singles rule!
feels really on the edge...
or maybe i need more practice :humm:
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Posted:
flashed 6 balls yesterday, i wonder what i'll be doing today:-)
flashed 6 balls yesterday, i wonder what i'll be doing today:-)
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Posted:
Failing miserably in trying to accomplish yesterdays feat?
Yesterday I managed one round of 5551 mess, and mills mess--->shower and back into milss mess again. With four balls.
Written by: Megafish
flashed 6 balls yesterday, i wonder what i'll be doing today:-)
Failing miserably in trying to accomplish yesterdays feat?
Yesterday I managed one round of 5551 mess, and mills mess--->shower and back into milss mess again. With four balls.
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
Woohoo - after ages of managing a rubbish 3 or 4 catches of an anticlockwise 3 ball shower, I just got a whopping 17 catches
I've been able to do it clockwise for ages now, but the anti-clockwise one keeps eluding me.
Woohoo - after ages of managing a rubbish 3 or 4 catches of an anticlockwise 3 ball shower, I just got a whopping 17 catches
I've been able to do it clockwise for ages now, but the anti-clockwise one keeps eluding me.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Posted:
Once you have it mastered on both side, the box is just round the corner...
Once you have it mastered on both side, the box is just round the corner...
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
It took me ages to learn the box, even when I had the shower mastered on both sides. It was annoying, but I got it eventually. It just clicks! Same thing with the machine/factory, took me a while to learn that.
Alternatively BovrilMonkey, you could do 423, then lower the 3 ball enough so that it becomes the box. Just make sure the throw are in sync.
On a side note, yesterday I went into town with my mates and they decided to buy about ten cream eggs. Knowing I could juggle, they made me busk in the middle of town. We made 20p (the eggs came to about £3.50, so we made a big loss, because most of the eggs weren't fit to eat afterwards). Who'd have thought juggling five eggs would have been so difficult?!
It took me ages to learn the box, even when I had the shower mastered on both sides. It was annoying, but I got it eventually. It just clicks! Same thing with the machine/factory, took me a while to learn that.
Alternatively BovrilMonkey, you could do 423, then lower the 3 ball enough so that it becomes the box. Just make sure the throw are in sync.
On a side note, yesterday I went into town with my mates and they decided to buy about ten cream eggs. Knowing I could juggle, they made me busk in the middle of town. We made 20p (the eggs came to about £3.50, so we made a big loss, because most of the eggs weren't fit to eat afterwards). Who'd have thought juggling five eggs would have been so difficult?!
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Posted:
With only 378 catches of 5 balls, I'm not surprised you struggled.
Written by: MTGjumper
Who'd have thought juggling five eggs would have been so difficult?!
With only 378 catches of 5 balls, I'm not surprised you struggled.
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
i'd rather go to a park and have an egg fight
i'd rather go to a park and have an egg fight
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Posted:
Woooo! 534 is getting much better. Managed around 6/7 nice lofty triples before the pattern collapses, but it feels good to juggle. Give me a couple of weeks, and it'll be solid.
Woooo! 534 is getting much better. Managed around 6/7 nice lofty triples before the pattern collapses, but it feels good to juggle. Give me a couple of weeks, and it'll be solid.
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
Lemonkey, you've done my confidence a world of good. Thanks a lot... *sniff*
@ Mr. Majestik- These are Cadbury's Cream Eggs, not normal eggs. I think having an egg fight would hurt with these more than with normal eggs!
On a side note, two, yes two(!) of my beanbags burst yesterday, so I'm gonna get some new ones soon. Probably get three, because I have 3 beanbags waiting, fresh and hardly ever used,; birthday pressie.
Lemonkey, you've done my confidence a world of good. Thanks a lot... *sniff*
@ Mr. Majestik- These are Cadbury's Cream Eggs, not normal eggs. I think having an egg fight would hurt with these more than with normal eggs!
On a side note, two, yes two(!) of my beanbags burst yesterday, so I'm gonna get some new ones soon. Probably get three, because I have 3 beanbags waiting, fresh and hardly ever used,; birthday pressie.
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Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.
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Clubbles Jugs
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Posted:
4c singles will improve your hand speed and get you to correct mistakes better. Forgot to mention - practising 53 on double/singles on both sides really helps with the 5double throw from each hand.
I practised 5c yesterday and got 3 runs in a row of over 40 catches. The last one i experimented and threw them all a bit higher, and it was much easier
and of course, i had a much better run.
Also getting 3c mills in flats.
Written by: Lemonkey
Don't see how, but I'll give it a go... my 4c singles could do with some improvement, but I do enjoy --doubles-->singles-->doubles.
4c singles will improve your hand speed and get you to correct mistakes better. Forgot to mention - practising 53 on double/singles on both sides really helps with the 5double throw from each hand.
I practised 5c yesterday and got 3 runs in a row of over 40 catches. The last one i experimented and threw them all a bit higher, and it was much easier
and of course, i had a much better run. Also getting 3c mills in flats.
ah wah wah wah a wah wah
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Every time I've tried double-single in the past the pattern fell apart very quickly. But now triple-single is far more solid I'll give it a go tonight.
Last night I had a go at wallplane 531. I have great difficulty in catching that damn wallplace triple!
Good going on the 5c Will!
Every time I've tried double-single in the past the pattern fell apart very quickly. But now triple-single is far more solid I'll give it a go tonight.
Last night I had a go at wallplane 531. I have great difficulty in catching that damn wallplace triple!
Good going on the 5c Will!
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Posted:
I was about to correct you and say thats bostons...
but I would be wrong..
So I wont.
anyway... I learnt how to juggle my social life with my work life, into a 3 up "personal time" pirouette whilst balancing my bank account.
Then again, it has taken me 6 years....
Written by: Hexagonic
Also getting 3c mills in flats.
I was about to correct you and say thats bostons...
but I would be wrong..
So I wont.
anyway... I learnt how to juggle my social life with my work life, into a 3 up "personal time" pirouette whilst balancing my bank account.
Then again, it has taken me 6 years....
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Posted:
hi bovril monkey, i know your talking about the shower and we all seem to be talking about the box, but in a couple of months time hopefully you'll understand why, the box really sorted out my shower (on both sides) but then again my shower really helped me with the box... strange that
my advice is to start having a go at the asynch shower (that is 51 instead of (4x,2x), {hope you don't mind me throwing siteswaps at you}), all that means is throwing the ball a bit higher, that way you can work on the pattern with a bit more time to play with, once you've got that sorted you can start making it smaller again, if 51 takes you anywhere why not have a stab at 441, that one is great for getting your head around feeding the ball to both your left and right hand. The key i felt to learning the box; and something that i have seen work for others, was to try doing it with two balls, that is with one ball being fed from the left hand to the right, and the other ball being thrown and caught in the right after the other ball has gottne out of its way, try that on both sides and the box and the shower will all start seeming a bit easier.
Oh, and just a little tip; i personally found it a great help to try and stop thinking about juggling patterns as being clockwise or anticlockwise, it just makes a bit more sense to think of them as starting on your left or right side, i'm sure i could think of lots of reasons why, but give it a try, itmight help:-)
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
Woohoo - after ages of managing a rubbish 3 or 4 catches of an anticlockwise 3 ball shower, I just got a whopping 17 catches
I've been able to do it clockwise for ages now, but the anti-clockwise one keeps eluding me.
hi bovril monkey, i know your talking about the shower and we all seem to be talking about the box, but in a couple of months time hopefully you'll understand why, the box really sorted out my shower (on both sides) but then again my shower really helped me with the box... strange that
my advice is to start having a go at the asynch shower (that is 51 instead of (4x,2x), {hope you don't mind me throwing siteswaps at you}), all that means is throwing the ball a bit higher, that way you can work on the pattern with a bit more time to play with, once you've got that sorted you can start making it smaller again, if 51 takes you anywhere why not have a stab at 441, that one is great for getting your head around feeding the ball to both your left and right hand. The key i felt to learning the box; and something that i have seen work for others, was to try doing it with two balls, that is with one ball being fed from the left hand to the right, and the other ball being thrown and caught in the right after the other ball has gottne out of its way, try that on both sides and the box and the shower will all start seeming a bit easier.
Oh, and just a little tip; i personally found it a great help to try and stop thinking about juggling patterns as being clockwise or anticlockwise, it just makes a bit more sense to think of them as starting on your left or right side, i'm sure i could think of lots of reasons why, but give it a try, itmight help:-)
Juggling isn't useless, It just isn't useful.
Neural Coding is Idiosyncratic:-)
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Posted:
Ok, stupid question time - when I'm counting catches, I should be counting the catches in both hands, right?
Yeah, one of the reasons for my trying to get the shower both directions was more practise of the 1 throws so I can then start working on the box and 441
Hmm, that'd mean I'd have to start with a specific hand for each one, rather than just with whichever hand's more convenient at the time
Oh, and - Happy Birthday
Ok, stupid question time - when I'm counting catches, I should be counting the catches in both hands, right?
Written by: Megafish
hi bovril monkey, i know your talking about the shower and we all seem to be talking about the box, but in a couple of months time hopefully you'll understand why, the box really sorted out my shower (on both sides) but then again my shower really helped me with the box... strange that
*snip*
Yeah, one of the reasons for my trying to get the shower both directions was more practise of the 1 throws so I can then start working on the box and 441
Written by:
Oh, and just a little tip; i personally found it a great help to try and stop thinking about juggling patterns as being clockwise or anticlockwise, it just makes a bit more sense to think of them as starting on your left or right side, i'm sure i could think of lots of reasons why, but give it a try, itmight help:-)
Hmm, that'd mean I'd have to start with a specific hand for each one, rather than just with whichever hand's more convenient at the time
Oh, and - Happy Birthday
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Posted:
Happy birthday megafish!
i cant do the box to save my life but now all this talk of clockwise and anticlockwise showers seems to make sense. Although im opposite to Bov, i can do an anticlockwise (starting with my right hand) shower no problems, the clockwise one i can only get about 3 - 4 catches then it all goes messy.
I found the 441 was good to learn the 1 across but that damnable muscle memory keeps doing 441 when i attempt the box. *le sigh* maybe some tricks are not meant to be learnt by lefties (that will always be my excuse for not being able to do a trick)
Happy birthday megafish!
i cant do the box to save my life but now all this talk of clockwise and anticlockwise showers seems to make sense. Although im opposite to Bov, i can do an anticlockwise (starting with my right hand) shower no problems, the clockwise one i can only get about 3 - 4 catches then it all goes messy.
I found the 441 was good to learn the 1 across but that damnable muscle memory keeps doing 441 when i attempt the box. *le sigh* maybe some tricks are not meant to be learnt by lefties (that will always be my excuse for not being able to do a trick)
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Beth: If you cant do a trick, turn 180 degrees around. That way, what was your left hand will now be on the right, and you right hand will now be on the left. You should find you are able to do it a bit better then.
Beth: If you cant do a trick, turn 180 degrees around. That way, what was your left hand will now be on the right, and you right hand will now be on the left. You should find you are able to do it a bit better then.
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Posted:
Hap Bif Fis!
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Hap Bif Fis!
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This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Posted:
Managed to not juggle for a full 9 day at all. Think I'm going to go for the full 21 but it's not going to be easy. If only I was up to UCOF standard juggling a social life and a job is not happening and my bank balance isn't even close
Managed to not juggle for a full 9 day at all. Think I'm going to go for the full 21 but it's not going to be easy. If only I was up to UCOF standard juggling a social life and a job is not happening and my bank balance isn't even close
Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all C
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I can happily put a 64 into a running 5b cascade now, but can't do the continuous pattern at all. Anyway, my reverse cascade is improving steadily. Today managed quite a few runs of 30+ Once I got into the feel of the pattern, I could do it quite easily. Also, tried 5bmm a bit, to see how much I can do; about 6 catches! Go me!
I can happily put a 64 into a running 5b cascade now, but can't do the continuous pattern at all. Anyway, my reverse cascade is improving steadily. Today managed quite a few runs of 30+ Once I got into the feel of the pattern, I could do it quite easily. Also, tried 5bmm a bit, to see how much I can do; about 6 catches! Go me!
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Posted:
I done 21 backcrosses on singles (in a row, not seperate like)
But then my backcrosses on doubles where a bit 'hang on a minute' but I'm sure they'll get back together.
So now I'm trying 4bx singles strait into 4bx doubles, back to singles etc...
Also trying 531 bx into singles or doubles.
Wallplane 531 is right tricky, and it is surely from the wallplane triple. I tried putting my triple-single in wall plane, but it was tricky.
UCOF- well done. Also, bostons on flats is different to mills, and it's a monkey-load harder.
T&B - Full 21 days for why what?
Finally a gripe. I did two fire shows on the weekend, with da fire juggling clubs. The one on Sat night was posh hotel, and I did all fine with 3 drops. Then, the one on Sunday was just next to the Gange's with our friends playing djembe and all the lovely people there. And I dropped loads and grrr grrr grrr it was annoying.
But oh well I'm starting to think about how to cover drops so it's all good but it was bit
anyway
I done 21 backcrosses on singles (in a row, not seperate like)
But then my backcrosses on doubles where a bit 'hang on a minute' but I'm sure they'll get back together.
So now I'm trying 4bx singles strait into 4bx doubles, back to singles etc...
Also trying 531 bx into singles or doubles.
Wallplane 531 is right tricky, and it is surely from the wallplane triple. I tried putting my triple-single in wall plane, but it was tricky.
UCOF- well done. Also, bostons on flats is different to mills, and it's a monkey-load harder.
T&B - Full 21 days for why what?
Finally a gripe. I did two fire shows on the weekend, with da fire juggling clubs. The one on Sat night was posh hotel, and I did all fine with 3 drops. Then, the one on Sunday was just next to the Gange's with our friends playing djembe and all the lovely people there. And I dropped loads and grrr grrr grrr it was annoying.
But oh well I'm starting to think about how to cover drops so it's all good but it was bit
anyway
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Posted:
3b 1up front handspring. ^_^
I'm happy.
3b 1up front handspring. ^_^
I'm happy.
Juggle 'til I drop!
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Posted:
lol, i thought that sig read "I less than 3 poi"
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lol, i thought that sig read "I less than 3 poi"
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Posted:
Today -
One round of cascade-753-cascade.
Managed the 975 part of 97531...
... and solidified my Gatto Multiplex (and transitions)
Today -
One round of cascade-753-cascade.
Managed the 975 part of 97531...
... and solidified my Gatto Multiplex (and transitions)
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
Juggle 'til I drop!
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Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
got nine catches of penguin shower yestrday doing a small dance party now
got nine catches of penguin shower yestrday doing a small dance party now
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Posted:
Random question- what would you say was the easier way to juggle four clubs; singles or doubles. Please don't just say 'whatever you prefer' because I feel most comfortable doing one and a half spins. Its really confusing me, and help would be much appreciated.
My 5b hasn't improved yet Hexagonic, but I can get 200+ about 1/3 times now, and 100 almost every time. My reserve cascade is improving, and 5b Mills' Mess... is just... well... its just odd.
I also discovered the wonders of juggling clubs outside, where no roof can hinder you. I was doing 'm' throws, I tell you! Anyway, because of no roof, I can finally work on continuos 3b flashes with clubs. I think seven 3ups is my best. Also, I can do one up, 360 spin on 1.5 spins, 2 spins, and 3 spins, but not one. And I can do 1 up 180 on 1.5 spins and 2.5 spins. And I managed a quad reverse spin in a 3c cascade today!
-MTGjumper
Random question- what would you say was the easier way to juggle four clubs; singles or doubles. Please don't just say 'whatever you prefer' because I feel most comfortable doing one and a half spins. Its really confusing me, and help would be much appreciated.
My 5b hasn't improved yet Hexagonic, but I can get 200+ about 1/3 times now, and 100 almost every time. My reserve cascade is improving, and 5b Mills' Mess... is just... well... its just odd.
I also discovered the wonders of juggling clubs outside, where no roof can hinder you. I was doing 'm' throws, I tell you! Anyway, because of no roof, I can finally work on continuos 3b flashes with clubs. I think seven 3ups is my best. Also, I can do one up, 360 spin on 1.5 spins, 2 spins, and 3 spins, but not one. And I can do 1 up 180 on 1.5 spins and 2.5 spins. And I managed a quad reverse spin in a 3c cascade today!
-MTGjumper
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Posted:
Four clubs initially feels easier in single spins for most people, but as soon as you get your head around double spins, the progress becomes far quicker than with singles.
Nice work on the 3ball flashes with clubs.
Written by: MTGjumper
Random question- what would you say was the easier way to juggle four clubs; singles or doubles. Please don't just say 'whatever you prefer' because I feel most comfortable doing one and a half spins. Its really confusing me, and help would be much appreciated.
I also discovered the wonders of juggling clubs outside, where no roof can hinder you. I was doing 'm' throws, I tell you! Anyway, because of no roof, I can finally work on continuos 3b flashes with clubs. I think seven 3ups is my best. Also, I can do one up, 360 spin on 1.5 spins, 2 spins, and 3 spins, but not one. And I can do 1 up 180 on 1.5 spins and 2.5 spins. And I managed a quad reverse spin in a 3c cascade today!
-MTGjumper
Four clubs initially feels easier in single spins for most people, but as soon as you get your head around double spins, the progress becomes far quicker than with singles.
Nice work on the 3ball flashes with clubs.
Willy - is bad for your health...
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Posted:
I dont believe I have learnt anything specifically,
but I have noticed my 5b cascade, inverse cascade, half shower and shower are getting solider.
and I have actually started learning 5b mm and now I may quote:
damn.. I cant find it.
Who posted about knowing how to, but not being able to go in and out of reverse cascade to normal cascade?
I know how to 5b mm...but sort of...well.. cant.
I dont believe I have learnt anything specifically,
but I have noticed my 5b cascade, inverse cascade, half shower and shower are getting solider.
and I have actually started learning 5b mm and now I may quote:
damn.. I cant find it.
Who posted about knowing how to, but not being able to go in and out of reverse cascade to normal cascade?
I know how to 5b mm...but sort of...well.. cant.
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