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OWD, I do consider it wrong to cause unnecessary suffering, pain and loss to sentient beings. However it depends on what u call unnecessary pain, and that’s where we differ.
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Say a bus load of tourists get off a bus at a fast food shop and the first person at the counter take 15-20 minutes to order because they insist on asking the cook about the meat content of every product, while 30 hungry tourists mutter inexplicable things about vegetarians. Same in restaurants, a vegetarian goes into a Texas steak house and starts complaining because people are eating meat.
eRic.
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-Mike
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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Stone said earlier: I also disagree with the way the case for vegetarianism has been argued. Personally, I take umbrage when people use religious, emotive and unscientific arguments to justify their cause. I think these types of arguments also undermine the credibility of vegetarianism, and do much to detract from what is obviously a good and healthy way to live.
So for example, don't:
Tell me vegetarianism is a Buddhism philosophy, when that is not strictly true (religious).
Tell me I'm a really a herbivore, when we (as a species) are obviously omnivores (scientific/evolutionary).
Make me feel guilty by humanising things, and telling me I'm a cannibal and I'm eating corpses (emotive)
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OWD, I will say it again. OWD I do consider it wrong to cause unnecessary suffering, pain and loss to sentient beings
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Unfortunately, people remember bad experiences and forget the good ones.
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Hi pOp, speaking for all vegetarians now are we?
eRic.
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how do you reconcile that with your belief that it is right to kill and eat animals?
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Similarly, in other countries where animals are treated differently, or where vegetarianism is simply not culturally endemic, I prefer to go with the flow rather than be so arrogant as to impose my cultural values on them.
eRic.
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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When I go to visit another country, I am there to experience the culture...and part of that is the cuisine.
eRic.
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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So, then how do you reconcile that with your belief that it is OK to kill and eat animals? Because animals are sentient beings, and killing them to eat their flesh is causing them loss (of life) and generally pain/suffering. I know they can be killed painlessly, but, being realistic, many aren't. But, pain aside- loss is definitly being caused. Given that you believe it's wrong to cause unnecessary pain, loss and suffering to sentient beings, then how can you consider it right to take an animals life in order to eat it's flesh, when eating flesh is not necessary for you to live a healthy life.
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-Mike
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
OWD, I don’t consider the killing animals for food unnecessary, though perhaps a luxury. I think most people would consider a portion of meat to be an important part of a balanced diet. While you say it’s easy to become a vegetarian, that doesn’t explain the fact that, as pointed out previously, many people especially young women become anaemic on a veg diet. Historically, people forced to live on a staple of vegies suffered from malnutrition, and I have always thought that eating a small amount of meat was a part of the natural process (food chain if you like).
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If you really believe that a vegetarian diet is nutritionally insufficient for health, then I can understand why you're into meat.
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But it's been established that, for the vast majority of people, a vegetarian diet is not only sufficient for health, but considerably safer (in terms of cancer risk, heart disease etc) than a diet with a high proportion of meat.
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Maybe you'd like to post links to some of the historical malnutrition issues, then I can address them.
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Certainly it's possible to suffer malnutrition on a bad vegetarian diet, just as it is on a bad meat-containing diet.
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Given that meat is generally more expensive/harder to obtain in times of famine, historically many cultures suffering malnutrition will be on a vegetarian diet- but their ill health is due to famine, rather than a cause of being vegetarian. If they were eating a good vegetarian diet, there'd be no problem.
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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OWD said: Time to take the advice I gave to someone else several pages back and stick to discussing this with people who are genuinely interested in considering switching to vegetarianism.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
-Mike
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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OK, I think that I've had enough for now
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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