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Posted:
Right, after seeing fellow hop'er Oli show me how poi should be done i have been desparate to nail isolation's but the problem is, i cannot get my head around it, i mean i cannot comprehend where to start or the 'feeling' of the trick.
I have seen them done in 3beat rev weave, but is this the best way to start?
Summiong it all up i can see what the end product should be but i just don't know where to start. I hope this makes sense....
So does anyone have any tips on how to start and er....anything on these dammed isolations that would help me and probably a few others.
Thank you in anticipation
Tennis
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Right, after seeing fellow hop'er Oli show me how poi should be done i have been desparate to nail isolation's but the problem is, i cannot get my head around it, i mean i cannot comprehend where to start or the 'feeling' of the trick.
I have seen them done in 3beat rev weave, but is this the best way to start?
Summiong it all up i can see what the end product should be but i just don't know where to start. I hope this makes sense....
So does anyone have any tips on how to start and er....anything on these dammed isolations that would help me and probably a few others.
Thank you in anticipation
Tennis
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Posted:
Hallo tennis, not noticed you about for a bit.
You done a search? If not, why not!
Do a buzzsaw as slow as you can. Then move your hands in ever increasing circles. The trick is the circles of the hands follow the circles of the poi. This'll feel really weird, and plentiful time and practice are needed.
As the circels get bigger your left hand remains next to your right poi head, & vice versa.
Hallo tennis, not noticed you about for a bit.
You done a search? If not, why not!
Do a buzzsaw as slow as you can. Then move your hands in ever increasing circles. The trick is the circles of the hands follow the circles of the poi. This'll feel really weird, and plentiful time and practice are needed.
As the circels get bigger your left hand remains next to your right poi head, & vice versa.
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Posted:
this handy dom nugget sums it up quite nicely:
"spin the poi slower"
this handy dom nugget sums it up quite nicely:
"spin the poi slower"
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Posted:
another good thing to try first is doing a butterfly and then isolating the poi for just one beat. it won't look like much, but its simple and you can easily see what's going on.
and i think its easier to start off by trying just one beat of isolation first.
another good thing to try first is doing a butterfly and then isolating the poi for just one beat. it won't look like much, but its simple and you can easily see what's going on.
and i think its easier to start off by trying just one beat of isolation first.
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Posted:
Months and months of mental torture.
also, start from the weave, seperate it for a beat and on the seperation, wiggle them.
Im sorry, i cant really be any more precise than that at the mo, im hungary.
T
Months and months of mental torture.
also, start from the weave, seperate it for a beat and on the seperation, wiggle them.
Im sorry, i cant really be any more precise than that at the mo, im hungary.
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Posted:
i dont think my sorry attempts at isolations are much to go by, but glad to be of inspiration
yea spin slow, and try and catch the left poi with your right hand and visa versa
also if you want me to email you a short (4 second) movie of some guy doing proper isolations, tell me
i dont think my sorry attempts at isolations are much to go by, but glad to be of inspiration
yea spin slow, and try and catch the left poi with your right hand and visa versa
also if you want me to email you a short (4 second) movie of some guy doing proper isolations, tell me
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They shouldn't do that no no no
Miss Whippy
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Posted:
lol Oli, they were better isolations than anything we could do!
lol Oli, they were better isolations than anything we could do!
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Posted:
i agree!
i have never seen anyone even so much as attempt to do isolations before, and they look coooooooooool!!!!!
unfortunately, it has become VERY painful trying to do them for myself!!
i agree!
i have never seen anyone even so much as attempt to do isolations before, and they look coooooooooool!!!!!
unfortunately, it has become VERY painful trying to do them for myself!!
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The only passable isolation I can do is in the windmill and usually then its by accident.
The only passable isolation I can do is in the windmill and usually then its by accident.
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Posted:
quote:if its painfull your spinning too fast
Originally posted by birdsanctuary:
i agree!
i have never seen anyone even so much as attempt to do isolations before, and they look coooooooooool!!!!!
unfortunately, it has become VERY painful trying to do them for myself!!
Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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Posted:
how do you do the isolated windmill? i just kneed that for the full set!
t
how do you do the isolated windmill? i just kneed that for the full set!
t
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Posted:
Spin the poi as slow as you can, feel the point when it cannot maintain the circle and starts to collapse, then try and spin the chain to catch it. You are basically taking the weight off the poi head. It takes a while to get it so don't worry if it doesn't come right away.
Spin the poi as slow as you can, feel the point when it cannot maintain the circle and starts to collapse, then try and spin the chain to catch it. You are basically taking the weight off the poi head. It takes a while to get it so don't worry if it doesn't come right away.
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Posted:
Just do a regular buzzsaw and edit it in post-production. It's much easier.
Just do a regular buzzsaw and edit it in post-production. It's much easier.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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I don't know if this will help but my spinning partner does crazy isolations all the time and I couldn't get them, until one day I was spinning and just for the hell of it I tried to see how slow I could spin before the poi fell out of the air, after spinning like this for awhile, my partner, watching me with a silly smile, tells me "your spinning all in isolations" except that I can't do them right? Try spinning VERY slowly eventually you will just naturally do them, gravity will take over for you.
Tia
I don't know if this will help but my spinning partner does crazy isolations all the time and I couldn't get them, until one day I was spinning and just for the hell of it I tried to see how slow I could spin before the poi fell out of the air, after spinning like this for awhile, my partner, watching me with a silly smile, tells me "your spinning all in isolations" except that I can't do them right? Try spinning VERY slowly eventually you will just naturally do them, gravity will take over for you.
Tia
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Posted:
would a video help?
would a video help?
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YES, a video would help muchly!!
this isolations malarky is really troubling me!!
YES, a video would help muchly!!
this isolations malarky is really troubling me!!
My state of mind is not yours to define!
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
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Posted:
also i berieve that mr poiboxII's Isolated weave videos&pix could help also.
possibly .
also i berieve that mr poiboxII's Isolated weave videos&pix could help also.
possibly .
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Posted:
it may seem like a plea for sympathy but actually this is an instructional clue...
hammer time
(in other words just get a heavy hammer and flip it in the air/juggle it like a club)
it may seem like a plea for sympathy but actually this is an instructional clue...
hammer time
(in other words just get a heavy hammer and flip it in the air/juggle it like a club)
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Posted:
We also found at the EJC that some people waggle their booty while doing buzzsaw isolations. Not sure if it has anything to do with the move, but it might.
We also found at the EJC that some people waggle their booty while doing buzzsaw isolations. Not sure if it has anything to do with the move, but it might.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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would it be to confusing to start calling isolations illusions? because its a nicer name and is what the person i first saw doing them called them.
would it be to confusing to start calling isolations illusions? because its a nicer name and is what the person i first saw doing them called them.
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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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Posted:
Let's just start calling them 'hyperloop fountains'... that should clear things up.
Let's just start calling them 'hyperloop fountains'... that should clear things up.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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nahh, I like isolation, cos it relates nicely to contact juggling, where the ball hangs in the air, like the poi do.
Besides Im having enough trouble with dan wandering about calling hyperloops 'nexus's' without everyone re-naming all the other tricks too. I guess you can call them what you want, but weather anyone else will understand you.
Also, an illusion in batton twirling is a specific kicking move, very unlike isolations in poi.
T
p.s. NYC
nahh, I like isolation, cos it relates nicely to contact juggling, where the ball hangs in the air, like the poi do.
Besides Im having enough trouble with dan wandering about calling hyperloops 'nexus's' without everyone re-naming all the other tricks too. I guess you can call them what you want, but weather anyone else will understand you.
Also, an illusion in batton twirling is a specific kicking move, very unlike isolations in poi.
T
p.s. NYC
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Posted:
Half happy half sad now.And still puzzled.
I can isolate a rev 3 bt weave on my right side but when it comes round to my left i am doing the forward weave!
So it looks like i'll have to learn the f*****g weave again.
One day...
Tennis
Half happy half sad now.And still puzzled.
I can isolate a rev 3 bt weave on my right side but when it comes round to my left i am doing the forward weave!
So it looks like i'll have to learn the f*****g weave again.
One day...
Tennis
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Posted:
Who calls them illusions? I ask because that's what the Thai guys started calling them. Parallel naming or a link?
Who calls them illusions? I ask because that's what the Thai guys started calling them. Parallel naming or a link?
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I vote we change the name to impossibles... Since that is what they seem to be to most of us anyway...
I vote we change the name to impossibles... Since that is what they seem to be to most of us anyway...
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Rev, you mean there's something you can't do?
Heehee. Stick with the name isolations. Adding more names just leads to more confusion.
I can isolate my poi separately in figure 8s, but can't seem to keep doing it in a buzzsaw or a weave. It's that wonderful/horrible feeling of a new skill just barely out of reach.
Rev, you mean there's something you can't do?
Heehee. Stick with the name isolations. Adding more names just leads to more confusion.
I can isolate my poi separately in figure 8s, but can't seem to keep doing it in a buzzsaw or a weave. It's that wonderful/horrible feeling of a new skill just barely out of reach.
E pluribus unum, baby.
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i cant remember her name but i met her in cornwall in the summer....
quote:a link, i think beacuse the girl i met that was calling them illusions got the name from the thai guys, who apparently fumbled the translation of isolations ...
Originally posted by Døm:
Who calls them illusions? I ask because that's what the Thai guys started calling them. Parallel naming or a link?
i cant remember her name but i met her in cornwall in the summer....
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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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Posted:
I saw a guy at Glasto spinning constant isolations, he had a drunken monkey kinda style, stumbling around the poi - seems to help, moving yourself around the poi.
I saw a guy at Glasto spinning constant isolations, he had a drunken monkey kinda style, stumbling around the poi - seems to help, moving yourself around the poi.
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Posted:
isolations are the biggest pet peeve of mine when it comes to things I can't do.. I don't know anyone that can even do one, so that kinda puts a damper on things.. because I don't know if this is like hyperloops where heavier poi helps.. or like wraps where glowsticks help.. or whether its something that you need to work on one poi independently of the other, like a buzzsaw.. or whether I should just do my moves and let it happen, like adding beats to a weave...
I don't know where or how to start..
the mroe I think about it, I wonder whether I should try to do large isolations, where my glowstick stays in the middle and my hand makes a circle around it.. or to start with smaller isolations where my hand and glowstick stay on oppsite ends of the circle...
I'm beginning to think that isolations and my style are just not compatible because I feel so damn awkward trying to do one..
oh and I was joking about changing the name.. I could care less what anyone calls them.. At this point in time, I think they are impossible.. and its gonna stay that way until I learn them.. hehehe...
quote:There's a lot I can't do... I'm still a noob... that's why I'm so anal... if I could do everything, I'd be more confident in my abilities.. and thus be some kind of enlightened guru.. right now I'm just an angry padiwan, because there are things that no matter how hard I try I just can't do..
Originally posted by regyt:
Rev, you mean there's something you can't do?
Heehee. Stick with the name isolations. Adding more names just leads to more confusion.
I can isolate my poi separately in figure 8s, but can't seem to keep doing it in a buzzsaw or a weave. It's that wonderful/horrible feeling of a new skill just barely out of reach.
isolations are the biggest pet peeve of mine when it comes to things I can't do.. I don't know anyone that can even do one, so that kinda puts a damper on things.. because I don't know if this is like hyperloops where heavier poi helps.. or like wraps where glowsticks help.. or whether its something that you need to work on one poi independently of the other, like a buzzsaw.. or whether I should just do my moves and let it happen, like adding beats to a weave...
I don't know where or how to start..
the mroe I think about it, I wonder whether I should try to do large isolations, where my glowstick stays in the middle and my hand makes a circle around it.. or to start with smaller isolations where my hand and glowstick stay on oppsite ends of the circle...
I'm beginning to think that isolations and my style are just not compatible because I feel so damn awkward trying to do one..
oh and I was joking about changing the name.. I could care less what anyone calls them.. At this point in time, I think they are impossible.. and its gonna stay that way until I learn them.. hehehe...
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Rev,
Try heaver poi with lighter strings. I actually first got 'em by using a RenFaire pouch which had my keys and cell phone in it and was really heavy - I was twirling it by its drawstring, which is less than a foot long, and suddenly I was twirling it in isolations. Then I tried with my sock poi.
Try the kind where your hand and the poi stay at opposite sides of the circle. It feels like going into a stall, except instead of following your poi straight down with your hand, you circle your hand around. (Sorry for the terrible description.)Learn one hand at a time...
If I can do them at all (admittedly, barely), they're *not* impossible - I can't do half of what you do, after all!
Rev,
Try heaver poi with lighter strings. I actually first got 'em by using a RenFaire pouch which had my keys and cell phone in it and was really heavy - I was twirling it by its drawstring, which is less than a foot long, and suddenly I was twirling it in isolations. Then I tried with my sock poi.
Try the kind where your hand and the poi stay at opposite sides of the circle. It feels like going into a stall, except instead of following your poi straight down with your hand, you circle your hand around. (Sorry for the terrible description.)Learn one hand at a time...
If I can do them at all (admittedly, barely), they're *not* impossible - I can't do half of what you do, after all!
E pluribus unum, baby.
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Posted:
thanks reg.. I'll see what I can turn up.. I'm running into problems like these though:
if I twirl slowerthen the lose momentum and thus make even larger circles (poi) around my smaller circles (hands)... and when I try and spin them faster, I can'tmake my hands make larger circles...
the way I twirl also keeps my hands from making exagerated movements... So, style also plays into it..
and its not in what you can do, its in how well you can do it.. because control is learned over time through repetition... and i know that since I haven't been spinning long, it will take a while to develop the control that experienced spinners have.. so while I await control, I'm learning all the different moves, and transitions, etc.
thanks reg.. I'll see what I can turn up.. I'm running into problems like these though:
if I twirl slowerthen the lose momentum and thus make even larger circles (poi) around my smaller circles (hands)... and when I try and spin them faster, I can'tmake my hands make larger circles...
the way I twirl also keeps my hands from making exagerated movements... So, style also plays into it..
and its not in what you can do, its in how well you can do it.. because control is learned over time through repetition... and i know that since I haven't been spinning long, it will take a while to develop the control that experienced spinners have.. so while I await control, I'm learning all the different moves, and transitions, etc.
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