Posted:Thanks for the compliments but its not as good as it sounds, there is patter, fire eating and fire breathing in there as well as throwing and catching 1,2&3 staffs, however for me its a big achievement and I hope to do it lots more times
Ethnobot, you make a good point about fire staff juggling, its a lots harder, there is the heat issue and if you are doing it at night which is more likely I guess, then its waaaaay harder. That's one of the reasons I try to be so clean when training because I know how hard it is at night.
The problem is made worse by the fact that most staff juggling patterns are easiest with your hands near the wicks, this give the extra leverage for the throw.
This is particularly relevant for backcrosses, club jugglers tell me they throw backcrosses from the very end of the club, if I tried that with a flaming staff it might burn a little... I can easily get runs of 15-20 with 3 staff backcrosses in the gym but my hands drift way too close to the wicks for me to consider some serious training with them lit yet.
Regarding the number of catches that can be set as a good target, I think it varies on factor such The type and number of props The required result (fire/no-fire/performance/hobby/profession etc) Individual preference larger goals (improved concentration/more fun/hot chicks;))
having though about it a bit lalety i have decided to set varying targets in the hope that i get the tricks nice and clean whilst improving my stamina and concentration levels without getting to a point going backwards due to lack of focus or fatigue. This seems easier said than done?!?!?!
The great Anthony gatto recently tweeted that his dad the Uber-great Nick Gatto said thirty clean catches was enough. AG said he had no idea why 30 catches. But IMHO NG was possibly the best juggling skills coach that has ever lived so his advice has got to be considered. Its more interesting when you think that AG performs with between 3 and 10 objects (I think?its very hard to count them!)
Anyway Im gonna aim for 50 then try and increase slowly
Posted:I'm practicing about 3-5 mins of (hopefully) no drop non stop throwing, with using mostly normal cascade to improve endurance. Would be interesting to count throws/min amount in average some day
Only started working on backcrosses, not getting them solid for now. But I'm holding staff at about 1/3 length, elseway it touches ground or gets low moment if nearer to middle
Edit: counted 60-80 throws per minute on normal cascade EDITED_BY: Konstantin (1260381473)
i set myself the goal of flashing five staffs this year and have already changed my mind and decided to get a solid 4 staff fountain.
4 staff shower absolutely destroys my shoulder, i can qualify it, but have absolutely no desire to due to pain.
5 staff (reverse casc) is a HUGE pattern with my 1m staffs, and heavy, even though my staffs are pretty light (thin aluminium, with 30cm wick on each end, and 2 inches of wood either end) getting them all up is hard enough, let alone catching them.
i will get my 5 clubs much better before i attempt 5 staffs again.
Nice to hear back from you, its great that we can chat and inspire each other.
Apologies for the messy message this morning, I had a lot of work to do for my business and was trying to fit this in with watching and commenting on your video. You seemed to understand it all so thats good
Seb is a great guy and has helped me a lot in the short amounts of time I have spent with him, he is also a big inspiration as both a staff juggler and a more positive commentator on hop and other places.
I have been working on two whole new sections of staff juggling and some singles and double throwing and catching for a good year or two now.
The staff juggling section includes, multiplexes, two in one hand variations, cascades and backcrosses. All hopefully combined into a new routine.
The other triple staff section I have been working on is staff juggling patterns combined with foot catches and flick-ups in various combinations, this is not as progressed as the other juggling section as its harder to train and requires more energy, but I can still do some cool new stuff that seems to be new to the staff juggling scene.
I'm also working on singles and doubles staff foot and hand variations, but again this needs more work.
I had planned to get it all clean and then get a nice new video edited with some nice music etc, but I will try and film some stuff tomorrow and get it online for you.
here is a video explaining the basic of backcrosses, i think in the long term you will find it much better to throw over the arm rather than under it......but I may be wrong, see what you think
keeping your body straight with backcrosses is very difficult but it looks so much better and like you say the pattern is much more stable.
a final though is that from a performance point of view, stops are very important so if you can find some cool ways to stop then that's very useful.
Here is some more inspiration from one of the all time greats
Your message was clear, don't worry. My english isn't good enough to spot any messiness anyway
Multiplexes are an interesting point. Both 2 staffs in one hand and same time throws with 1 staff in each. I am using simple cascade 2 staff multiplex to start juggling sometimes. These aren't hard themselfs. I've also tried to backcross it. Another point is implementing it in the Juggling pattern itself. As I see, the most important here, is how to catch 2 staffs(not same time) with 1 hand and make it comfortable to throw again.
And footwork. Yes, I tried it too. Worked on catching staff with These're some thoughts, but I didn't do much work with foot and throwing back into cascade.
These're mostly thought and "wishlist" patterns for now. Wanted to get solid basics before doing more difficult stuff.
Stops must be very important and cool looking if you manage to emphasize them well. Didn't work in it yet. Maybe, I need lighter staffs. The ones on video are 450 or 500g weight 90cm long
I will try backcrosses over the arm next time, maybe it's really more comfortable. On the other hand, as it seems for me, most important to keep body straight and then the throw itself shouldn't be affected by arm's position. If you're juggling, your arm is moving and might be in different positions in different patterns when you decide to input a backcross.
AS I see, you got a similar picture. There're loads of patterns and ideas that requite more and more work on them.
Posted:hey guys I've finally got round to filming some new tricks,
the footage isnt amazing and the tricks need cleaning up but i wanted to get something online to try and keep to momentum of this thing going. feel free to comment, but if you say any thing bad i will make a small doll of you and poke pins in it
Unforutnaley backcrosses are very hard and I learn very slowly, still I'm very patient and I plan my training sessions in years not months.
Ive been staff juggling for about 4-5 years now, the first three years were all spent on the 2,3&4 staff shower and some variations of the 2&3 staff shower. I then learnt the cascade from Bastl two years ago and have been working on that,the foot juggling, backcrosses, two in one hand variations and mutltiplexes as well as some new doubles throws and catches.
I put myself on a no-new trick ban. I will get these tricks a lot cleaner before allowing myself to train new tricks.
Everything I learn, I will perform on fire, at night, so it takes years to get it clean enough but for me that is the beauty of juggling both as a hobby and a performance art.
Yeah, the figure of eight is the next part of the plan for backcrosses, I can do them fairly easily with either my left or my right hand but doing them with both hands is waaaaaaay harder. I can also do them in a two in one hand backcross fountain pattern but its still very dodgy.
For now I'm content on getting the basic backcrossess a lot clean and more solid.
Good luck with the backcrosses dude, I look forward to seeing them clean EDITED_BY: tim_marston (1269000621)
Posted:@k it looks like the two in one hand on my video, only the throws are from behind the back and the catches are in front of me, its also not very clean yet
@niko AWESOME WORK, loved evey minute of it well done dude
i do very little training with the shower and variations these days because of an injury, so its great to see people doing it, i love it.....
its really interesting to see the difference in the way your staffs fly to mine,
the shorter staffs spins a lot more, i can the slow the spins down but i chose not to becasue it suits my style, but your longer and heavier staffs have a really floaty look to them and it looks amazing,
do you guys perform? with fire? where are you from? how long have you been juggling? do you like Barry White?