According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: ZauberdachsWritten by: Patriarch917
The right of voters of South Dakota to choose what sort of laws they will be governed by
If Bush, for example, were to say "I don't care that you voted for it, I'm going to ignore your votes and keep abortion legal," that would be a clear act of dictatorship overruling democracy.
You are quite right.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
Written by: DominoWritten by: Doc Lightning
Know what needs to happen?
OB/GYN's need to go on strike in S. Dakota.
They need to say "We'll deliver babies and see medical emergencies, but we're closing our clinics and there will be no elective operations until this is done."
It's been done before and it's moved mountains.
Really? How? When? Why?
- - - No sarcasm/disbelief, I'm just curious
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
Written by: pounce
sadly, with roberts as chief justice and alito in the swing vote seat, roe v. wade may very well be overturned
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Written by: Patriarch917
Democracy suggests that the needs of society are best measured by what the people want, and that the government should be subject to the people. If the people have democratically decided that they do not want abortions in their state, what reason do we have to deny them their choice?
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Are you up for it?
;)
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
Democracy suggests that the needs of society are best measured by what the people want, and that the government should be subject to the people. If the people have democratically decided that they do not want abortions in their state, what reason do we have to deny them their choice?
Because it might be unethical? One of the biggest problems with Democracy is that you're assumed to be in the right if you have more people agreeing with you. That simply isn't true. Look at any repression of a minority and tell me that it's ethical. So they've democratically decided to outlaw abortion. Hooray. Remember it took a prolific campaign by a minority of people to excise racial discrimmination in the States.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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. A foetus is completely different from a fully functioning human child. As the foetus progresses it should gain more protection as it become more child-like, but giving full human rights in early pregnancy after to an organism without an integrated nervous system is an insult to what it means to be human.
Are you up for it?
;)
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
Democracy suggests that the needs of society are best measured by what the people want, and that the government should be subject to the people. If the people have democratically decided that they do not want abortions in their state, what reason do we have to deny them their choice?
Because it might be unethical? One of the biggest problems with Democracy is that you're assumed to be in the right if you have more people agreeing with you. That simply isn't true. Look at any repression of a minority and tell me that it's ethical. So they've democratically decided to outlaw abortion. Hooray. Remember it took a prolific campaign by a minority of people to excise racial discrimmination in the States.
I agree whole heartedly with Sethis. 'Democratic' is not the same as 'right'. A foetus is completely different from a fully functioning human child. As the foetus progresses it should gain more protection as it become more child-like, but giving full human rights in early pregnancy to an organism without an integrated nervous system is an insult to what it means to be human.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Patriarch917
Pain is not an adequate objective measure to use. I could kill someone in their sleep in a manner that gives them no pain, yet society would still charge me with murder.
Written by: Patriarch917
Even the suggestion that "pain and suffering should be avoided" is not itself a rational moral claim. Why should they be avoided? Is there something intrinsically "evil" about suffering? I suggest that the reason this seems to us to be a moral value is precisely because so many people agree to it. Thus, our standard of morality is still the needs and interests of humans. If the needs and interests of humans change to allow some suffering and pain, this is not "unethical" because "avoiding pain and suffering" never had any intrinsic moral weight in the first place.
Written by: Patriarch:917
A rational reason for a child having the right to life is the same rational basis for every other right: the needs and interests of humanity. One cannot rationally and scientifically dispute this from a humanist perspective, given the facts of science. One can, perhaps, dispute how best to measure the needs and interests of society, but that is a political choice (democracy vs Aristocracy, for example).
Written by: Patriach917
The question of whether moral rights should attach at that moment, or some later moment, or never, is a moral and political question. Religious humanism suggests that the rights should attach whenever the "needs and interests" of humanity demand it. Current political theory suggests that the best organization to measure the "needs and interests" of humanity is a Government of some sort.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)
It is but one measure of morality. In killing an unconscious person you are ending the existance of a sentient being which was happy and wished to continue living (unless it was euthanasia). A foetus is neither alive nor does it wish to continue living. Simply having a complete set of human DNA doesn't make it a human being, otherwise a HeLa cell culture would be considered a human being.
Written by: jeff(fake)
Pain and suffering are inherintly unpleasant. This is hardwired into our brains and we cannot avoid it (although some masochists might be considered as subverting it). Try putting your hand into a fire and then tell me that its simply a matter of consensus.
Written by: jeff(fake)
The needs and interests of society? Society is composed of individuals (this is the only Thatcher quote you'll get from me). Society exists to make individuals happier. If a society can only exist by making its members unhappy then it shouldn't exist. If we were the last generation of humans and the human race died with us but we all still lived happy lives, why would that be a bad thing?
Written by: jeff(fake)
Humans beings are important because the have thoughts and feelings. Humanity as an abstract concept doesn't, nor do six week old embryos, so humanity and six week old embryos aren't as important as human beings.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: Sethis
I believe abortion to be perfectly valid up to the point where the foetus would be able to survive unconditionally outside the womb,
Written by: jeff(fake)
I have yet to hear a rational reason why an early embryo should possess a right to life at extremely early stages.
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