Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Written by: Patriarch917
Recall the ultimate issue that we are trying to determine is not whether one theory is true, or even more likely than the other. The issue we are pondering is whether children should be taught about both theories and allowed to make up their own minds, or whether one theory should be taught alone without allowing a dissenting view.
Written by: Patriarch917
I believe it is clear that intelligent people can have good reasons to doubt either naturalistic evolution, intelligent design, or creationism. However, I do not believe that any of these theories should be hidden from children, or that one should be taught as a "scientifically proven fact" as so many in this thread have suggested. (Yes, it's true, people have claimed that in this thread).
Written by: Patriarch917
Understand: the issue was not a suggestion that Creationism be taught in school. Neither was it suggested that the ideas of the age of the earth, or the evolution of species be questioned. The problem is that naturalistic evolution demands that we believe that life is the result of purposeless chance. There is, however, evidence that casts doubt on the theory that random chance can account for everything. There is also a theory that accommodates this evidence by suggesting that certain things did not happen by chance, but by design. The idea of design conflicts with a worldview based on a belief that everything is the result only of chance, because it allows the possible existence of a designer who acts with purpose.
Written by: Patriarch917
Some who hold a worldview that demands a belief that everything be the result of unguided chance processes do not wish to allow any questioning of their beliefs. To them, even a sticker that states "evolution is a theory, not a fact, and should be approached with an open mind" is something so horrible, it must be forbidden by law.
Written by: Patriarch917
On the other hand, I suggest that it is better to allow question and dissent. If a theory is actually correct, it should have nothing to fear from being compared to alternative theories.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: strugz
i read it and it made me laugh lots.......
spagetti monster and pirates altering the weather climate
Then i realised they were being serious about what they were saying.................
I think im missing the point of this Ben, do you have to be intelligent to understand, or am i having trouble because i havnt evolved properly...... yet
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
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Some who hold a worldview that demands a belief that everything be the result of unguided chance processes do not wish to allow any questioning of their beliefs. To them, even a sticker that states "evolution is a theory, not a fact, and should be approached with an open mind" is something so horrible, it must be forbidden by law.
I'm not sure if this is a strawman position. I believe the majority of scientists and science teachers merely want ID out of science lessons.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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Some who hold a worldview that demands a belief that everything be the result of unguided chance processes do not wish to allow any questioning of their beliefs. To them, even a sticker that states "evolution is a theory, not a fact, and should be approached with an open mind" is something so horrible, it must be forbidden by law.
I'm not sure if this is a strawman position. I believe the majority of scientists and science teachers merely want ID out of science lessons.
there is a lot of arrogance among neodarwinists presentation of evolution (see this thread for plenty of examples). while this has largely arisen due to the fact that they have gotten used to dealing with fairly ridiculous arguments from creationists and ID'ers largely based on 17th century metaphysics, it can however mean that they are equally dismissive of additional scientific evolutionary theories. Some of which are now proven. Google Margulis and endosymbiosis for an example...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)
If science did not have such rigourous standards then we would have a myriad of ridiculous psuedoscience bumping around as science *cough*ID*cough*.
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Written by: SymWritten by: jeff(fake)
If science did not have such rigourous standards then we would have a myriad of ridiculous psuedoscience bumping around as science *cough*ID*cough*.
But we do...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
"Moo," said the happy cow.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: spiralx
A very good article here
https://www.discover.com/issues/mar-06/cover/
on some new discoveries about viruses and how they fit into the grand scheme of things... including some very interesting stuff on the origin of life.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: Mint Sauce
agggggggghhhhhhhhh
sorry just HAD TO SHOUT I stepped out of this discussion because I was getting annoyed at the repetition and crap being thrown about and the misinterpretation of scientific facts
Patriarch917
You seem to quote stuff when it suits you and ignore stuff you don’t like or blatantly proves you wrong you have a very dog eyed view of science and scientific method
Sorry people I was just getting frustrated
I ask one question you seem to be fully convinced of your views and beliefs (which I respect) all seemingly based on the bible and its teaching (which I admit I don’t know much about) what makes you believe the bible and not the larger scientific community.???????
I know I sound rude but I would much appreciate a reply (I am genuinely interested even if you do annoy me a bit )
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Written by: faithinfire
one is from an omniscient being...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)
I've found a brilliant Webcast of Ken Millar
Click 'ere
He comprehensivly owns intelligent design, smashing their arguements and shows the clear evidence for evolution. Including a large number of 'transitional forms'.
The lecture lasts an hour with anouther hour of Q & A. Enjoy!
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: Sym
would there be any single thing at all that would change what you think? I'm not trying to get you to change, but I think that is the difference between science and religion. Science will change when something new comes up, religion wont...
Again, I don't want to you to change as such, I'm just interested
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: faithinfireWritten by: Sym
would there be any single thing at all that would change what you think? I'm not trying to get you to change, but I think that is the difference between science and religion. Science will change when something new comes up, religion wont...
Again, I don't want to you to change as such, I'm just interested
most likely no, just like i doubt that there is much that i could say that would change jeffs mind (just an example )
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)