"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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I'd be good if we don't get distracted by the side issues- 'it's down to individuals to choose...', or 'nothing in this world is 100% safe...' etc, if only because they've been well discussed in other threads.
"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.
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Anyway, my answer: No. For several reasons.
As fire spinners it would be somewhat hypocritical of us to pronounce other established performance acts as inherently unsafe. Refusing to perform if another performer is fire breathing is disrespectful of their own, hopefully educated, choice of performance.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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And we are definitely not the police of the fire performers world, especially as almost all of us don't even rate as amateur on the performance scale.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
There is a world made of air, one of earth and one of water.
And there is one made of fire, and all of them fight for supremacy. They are fighting now, in my head.
-v-
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So my point is if respected, skillful spinners (and begginers!) frown on breathing then it will lose some of its 'party appeal'. Our opinion at a party does have a huge impact, and i have never seen someone breath fire at a party where there wasn't already fire.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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How do we "dissociate" ourselves from fire breathers?
Do we make a group statement that covers every fire spinner in the world? Do we pass an international law? A treaty? Do we thumb our noses and sing "neener neener neener!" at fire breathers?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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So my point is if respected, skillful spinners (and begginers!) frown on breathing then it will lose some of its 'party appeal'. Our opinion at a party does have a huge impact, and i have never seen someone breath fire at a party where there wasn't already fire
"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Most kids and drunks wouldn't listen to what we have to say anyway, because all they care about is "being cool", it's part of what makes them kids and drunks sadly.
I just try to educate those who want to hear about it, and harbour alot of hope that the others will eventually realize they are being really stupid and dangerous. *shrug* It's all I feel I can do.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
-v-
Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!
Let's relight this forum
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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1. Kids watching spinners; it looks great/cool, the kids respect the spinners and would like to emulate them. Suddenly there's a 6 foot plume of fire coming out of some guys mouth; the spinners stop to watch and applaud. Message is that fire breathing looks great and is cool.
2. Same situation, but this time, when the breathe happens there's a different reaction- the spinners here have discussed this issue and they're ready.
Instead of applause there's a bit of 'boo-ing'. Straight away someone goes over, trailed by discreet back up in the unlikely event that the breather is going to get aggressive. Politely he/she is informed that, for various reasons, they'd rather that breathing wasn't done here, that they personally don't want to be seen as being associated with it. If the breather quibbles with it then, assuming he/she is sober and coherent, some discussion/dialogue/education takes place.
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Everyone benefits, the kids watching see that fire breathing is not seen as 'cool' by the spinning community, the breather maybe learns something new; and the spinners, who previously felt powerless when crashed by a breather are now confident that they have control over their meet.
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I'm sure that the main arguments against the abolition of slavery in America were of the type- 'it's not possible', 'it's economically unfeasible', 'you can't change such deeply entrenched practices' etc.
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Luckily, a minority weren't put off by the above blocking tactics and followed what they knew in their hearts to be right.
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Isn't it time we got down to compiling a list of do's and don'ts that we can all concur on and then get to work on bringing about change, rather than coming up with more reasons why it can't possibly work?
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Even though I have no intention myself of stoppping someone from fire breathing, I do think that from now on when I do meet fire breathers, I will be having a casual health discussion with them.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Let's relight this forum
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Everyone else, let me again clarify that what I'm suggesting in this thread is that those of us who don't want fire breathing at our meets (i.e. I'm not talkiing about public events organised by others) discuss and clarify effective ideas to deal with unwelcome practices.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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If you just want to generalise instead of attacking the indivdual points and side issues as you said, the gist of this thread seems to say NO
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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I think that we need to understand that everything we do is risky.
You can die from firespinning, too. Get a lit poi wrapped around a careless arm and get a nice third-degree burn infected with something...that'll off ya.
Fact is it all has dangers and we can't just draw an arbitrary line where it stops. Sorry. We just can't. We can't force other people to bend to our will and we can't change them.
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Fact is it all has dangers and we can't just draw an arbitrary line where it stops.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Safety is a complex issue and I'm fed up with bureaucrats taking the simplistic approach, like put on a helmet and this solves all the safety problems.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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