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journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posted:
so I emailed my local fire chief to see if I'd need a permit to dance with fire in public areas. I explained poi and fans very well but the response I got wasn't very helpful... "You do not need a permit as long as you keep the fire 3x3x3 and it is
contained in some type of a pit or ring." so I'm tempted to get a very large hola hoop and just dance in the middle of that, since its a ring, I just don't really know how to explain the 3x3x3 bit...the fire itself is less than 3x3x3 but it moves in a greater area than 3x3x3...I'm confused...
thought i'd share it for amusement purposes and maybe someone has a better idea of what he ment. I want to avoid getting in trouble for this...I'm trying really hard but he's not helping!!! *sigh*
so I emailed my local fire chief to see if I'd need a permit to dance with fire in public areas. I explained poi and fans very well but the response I got wasn't very helpful... "You do not need a permit as long as you keep the fire 3x3x3 and it is
contained in some type of a pit or ring." so I'm tempted to get a very large hola hoop and just dance in the middle of that, since its a ring, I just don't really know how to explain the 3x3x3 bit...the fire itself is less than 3x3x3 but it moves in a greater area than 3x3x3...I'm confused...
thought i'd share it for amusement purposes and maybe someone has a better idea of what he ment. I want to avoid getting in trouble for this...I'm trying really hard but he's not helping!!! *sigh*
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Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
I think he's being helpful enough
I expect he just means a space that's three metres wide, by three metres deep, with three metres of clearance... although, I'd give it 5x5x5 at least, if I were you.
As for the ring... just mark out your space using rope or barrier, so that no-one aimlessly wanders into you... you'd be surprised how many people don't actually see flaming balls of fire until it's too late.
I think he's being helpful enough
I expect he just means a space that's three metres wide, by three metres deep, with three metres of clearance... although, I'd give it 5x5x5 at least, if I were you.
As for the ring... just mark out your space using rope or barrier, so that no-one aimlessly wanders into you... you'd be surprised how many people don't actually see flaming balls of fire until it's too late.
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master of disaster
3,354 posts
Location: New York, USA
master of disaster
3,354 posts
Location: New York, USA
Posted:
seeing as its the US, I expect he means feet, not meters. That'd be my first reaction
Written by: _Clare_
I think he's being helpful enough
I expect he just means a space that's three metres wide, by three metres deep, with three metres of clearance... although, I'd give it 5x5x5 at least, if I were you.
seeing as its the US, I expect he means feet, not meters. That'd be my first reaction
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Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
Oh... that's not much!
Make it metres... and double it
Oh... that's not much!
Make it metres... and double it
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journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posted:
yeah I thought 3x3x3 feet was a bit small myself. i guess we'll have to play around a bit and see what happens? has anyone here ever gotten arrested for fire spinning? I know different areas have different laws regarding fire but it would still be interesting to know
yeah I thought 3x3x3 feet was a bit small myself. i guess we'll have to play around a bit and see what happens? has anyone here ever gotten arrested for fire spinning? I know different areas have different laws regarding fire but it would still be interesting to know
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Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
Posted:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild ass guess that the minute your fire chief heard the words "open flame" he responded with the regulations written for campfires, or backyard burning...hence the dimensions of the "fire"
If Minneapolis is anything like here, then the officials have nothing in place to accommodate weirdos like us and hopefully they never will and just keep up a "we don't want to know, just go do whatever it is you do and don't bother us..or anybody else with it" attitude.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild ass guess that the minute your fire chief heard the words "open flame" he responded with the regulations written for campfires, or backyard burning...hence the dimensions of the "fire"
If Minneapolis is anything like here, then the officials have nothing in place to accommodate weirdos like us and hopefully they never will and just keep up a "we don't want to know, just go do whatever it is you do and don't bother us..or anybody else with it" attitude.
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journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
journeyman
61 posts
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posted:
yeah, I'm guessing you're right. I did try to point out the differences between bonfire and fire dancing but *shrug* what they don't know won't hurt them... I'll just keep his card on me when I spin and if we get crap for it I'll say I've already talked to him!
yeah, I'm guessing you're right. I did try to point out the differences between bonfire and fire dancing but *shrug* what they don't know won't hurt them... I'll just keep his card on me when I spin and if we get crap for it I'll say I've already talked to him!
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
Posted:
isnt that the truth, when you stand in one place at a festival spinning leds (i mean standing, not moving at all) and people walk up behind you, get hit, then scold you....retards
Written by: _Clare_
... you'd be surprised how many people don't actually see flaming balls of fire until it's too late.
isnt that the truth, when you stand in one place at a festival spinning leds (i mean standing, not moving at all) and people walk up behind you, get hit, then scold you....retards "but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
Im a firefighter in Wisconsin, and a fire spinner. When he is saying 3x3x3 I think you were just sent a standard fire info thing, about controlled burns. The 3x3x3 is in feet and means the size of the flame can be no larger than that, and has to be inside of a fire ring of some sort. He is not talking about how you can move around with it. This is a pretty standard city regulation. Outside of city limits you can have bonfires and whatnot in most areas. Fire prone areas may have restrictions on such things though, like no unattended open flames or large fires.
If this is just for spinning fire poi or staff or something I would not worry about it at all, as long as you are not chasing people around of course. I live in a large city and we go just outside of central downtown near a college campus (UW Madison) and spin fire there. We had a cop stop and watch us for a bit. As long as you look like you are in control of what you are doing you should be just fine.
Im a firefighter in Wisconsin, and a fire spinner. When he is saying 3x3x3 I think you were just sent a standard fire info thing, about controlled burns. The 3x3x3 is in feet and means the size of the flame can be no larger than that, and has to be inside of a fire ring of some sort. He is not talking about how you can move around with it. This is a pretty standard city regulation. Outside of city limits you can have bonfires and whatnot in most areas. Fire prone areas may have restrictions on such things though, like no unattended open flames or large fires.
If this is just for spinning fire poi or staff or something I would not worry about it at all, as long as you are not chasing people around of course. I live in a large city and we go just outside of central downtown near a college campus (UW Madison) and spin fire there. We had a cop stop and watch us for a bit. As long as you look like you are in control of what you are doing you should be just fine.
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Stargazer
6,650 posts
6,650 posts
Posted:
performing in public spaces (eventually with crowds of people) and without a barrier 
...
the formula 3x3x3 (METRES in Germany) would resemble the (minimal) space you have to nominate for yourself when performing with fire (whereas I understand that is not what he meant)...
A rope on the ground or a line drawn with chalk certainly isn't enough. You'd need tape (like that "police line" - so maybe "poi/ performance line - do not cross") or a solid barrier in at least 2-3 ft hight, so ppl can recognise it as what it is... a barrier - or a stage inside.
As long as nothing happens, you're fine (most of the time). If the ** hits the fan and you have had no dedicated area, no fire blanket, no fire-extinguisher.... none of that .... you'd be... let's say "in trouble".
The cops are cool (most of the times) - as ubersmack put it - but by the time something happens, that attitude can turn 180 in a split second.
performing in public spaces (eventually with crowds of people) and without a barrier ...the formula 3x3x3 (METRES in Germany) would resemble the (minimal) space you have to nominate for yourself when performing with fire (whereas I understand that is not what he meant)...
A rope on the ground or a line drawn with chalk certainly isn't enough. You'd need tape (like that "police line" - so maybe "poi/ performance line - do not cross") or a solid barrier in at least 2-3 ft hight, so ppl can recognise it as what it is... a barrier - or a stage inside.
As long as nothing happens, you're fine (most of the time). If the ** hits the fan and you have had no dedicated area, no fire blanket, no fire-extinguisher.... none of that .... you'd be... let's say "in trouble".
The cops are cool (most of the times) - as ubersmack put it - but by the time something happens, that attitude can turn 180 in a split second.
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journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
This is of course why we ALL practice our saftey techniques and set a good responsible example for everyone watching.
As far as the marking off an area, whenever we are spinning around any sort of crowd of people we will mark off a large circle on the ground and have your spotter stop anyone who starts walking through your circle and/or have you stop spinning to avoid putting a flaming poi in there face.
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but by the time something happens, that attitude can turn 180 in a split second.
This is of course why we ALL practice our saftey techniques and set a good responsible example for everyone watching.
As far as the marking off an area, whenever we are spinning around any sort of crowd of people we will mark off a large circle on the ground and have your spotter stop anyone who starts walking through your circle and/or have you stop spinning to avoid putting a flaming poi in there face.
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2,387 posts
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Sitting down facing forward . . .
2,387 posts
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posted:
Just the other day I got an e-mail from the Chief Fire Marshall in East Lansing MI saying they are using HoP info and our Fire Safety DVD to draft their policy for using fire poi in their city!!!
I've asked them if we can help and help distribute the result around other cities so they'll be sensible and largely the same and we'll see what comes of that.
Isn't it exciting when "the officials" listen to you?!
George
Just the other day I got an e-mail from the Chief Fire Marshall in East Lansing MI saying they are using HoP info and our Fire Safety DVD to draft their policy for using fire poi in their city!!!
I've asked them if we can help and help distribute the result around other cities so they'll be sensible and largely the same and we'll see what comes of that.
Isn't it exciting when "the officials" listen to you?!
George
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Location: Bali, Australia
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Location: Bali, Australia
Posted:
Well done!
Well done!
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
hey very cool, I should wander over there sometime
hey very cool, I should wander over there sometime
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newbie
8 posts
Location: ohio
8 posts
Location: ohio
Posted:
I want to live in a city that needs a policy for using fire poi. I say "fire poi" around here & people start edging away from me... 
I want to live in a city that needs a policy for using fire poi. I say "fire poi" around here & people start edging away from me... Beware the mental parts when disassemble the yo-yo.
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journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
I would actually rather be in a place with no rules, they will limit what you are able to legally do.. not saying i would do anything bad but you get the point.
I would actually rather be in a place with no rules, they will limit what you are able to legally do.. not saying i would do anything bad but you get the point.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
play within rules and legal problems are less likely to ensue
play within rules and legal problems are less likely to ensue
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journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
73 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
exactly, you shouldnt have to be in a place were fire spinning is regulated b/c something happened that there is a need to do such. Kind of what i was attempting to say.. :P
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play within rules and legal problems are less likely to ensue
exactly, you shouldnt have to be in a place were fire spinning is regulated b/c something happened that there is a need to do such. Kind of what i was attempting to say.. :P
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
if there are no rules, there ar no limits
so if someone gets hurt and they decided sue there is no precedence either
if there are laws then you can say you did everything you could within the laws to prevent injury or damage
if there are no rules, there ar no limits
so if someone gets hurt and they decided sue there is no precedence either
if there are laws then you can say you did everything you could within the laws to prevent injury or damage
Faith
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veteran
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Location: Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
veteran
1,237 posts
Location: Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
That's pretty awesome georgemc, I hope they do it right with regards to spinners then.
That's pretty awesome georgemc, I hope they do it right with regards to spinners then.
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