Written by: IPCC
complex, chaotic, non-linear dynamics are an inherent aspect of the climate system
Written by: IPCC
Water vapour feedback continues to be the most consistently important feedback accounting for the large warming predicted by general circulation models in response to a doubling of CO2. Water vapour feedback acting alone approximately doubles the warming from what it would be for fixed water vapour (Cess et al., 1990; Hall and Manabe, 1999; Schneider et al., 1999; Held and Soden, 2000). Furthermore, water vapour feedback acts to amplify other feedbacks in models, such as cloud feedback and ice albedo feedback. If cloud feedback is strongly positive, the water vapour feedback can lead to 3.5 times as much warming as would be the case if water vapour concentration were held fixed (Hall and Manabe, 1999).
Written by: George Monbiot
In 1997, the director, Martin Durkin, produced a very similar series for Channel 4 called “Against Nature”, which also maintained that global warming was a scam dreamt up by environmentalists. It was riddled with hilarious scientific howlers. More damagingly, the only way in which Durkin could sustain his thesis was to deceive the people he interviewed and to edit their answers to change their meaning. Following complaints by his interviewees, the Independent Television Commission found that “the views of the four complainants, as made clear to the interviewer, had been distorted by selective editing” and that they had been “misled as to the content and purpose of the programmes when they agreed to take part.”(14) Channel 4 was obliged to broadcast one of the most humiliating primetime apologies it has ever made
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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Written by: 87wt2gxq7Written by: NYC
I said you'd get an F in my class on a graph if you did that and you would and you should.
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So if you're in 7th grade or 17th grade, and you don't use broken axis', you get an F. And the 7th grades would be glad to tell you why using such a 'trick' can be misleading.
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That's all I was saying.
Okay.
However, I still think you're implicitly arguing that "all graphs showing correlation between two sets of data are by nature misleading, and so we can't trust any such graphs." That's the implication that got me so railed up to post here in the first place, and the concern that that's the idea you might be conveying to your students.
Speaking of students, I misunderstood round about my "big motherloving deal" comment; I thought you were a university tutor not a high-school teacher. Yes I agree, it is important to be fennickity about things like broken axis symbols when teaching to schoolkids. But my experience has been that little things like that get dropped from graphs published in certain journals (ie the ones that I've read) and it's no big deal in that arena. So sorry about that.
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Yes, let's go.
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Written by: Mynci
I personally wouldn't care if every human was washed from the face of the planet
Written by: Hardt and Negri 2005:351
People today seem unable to understand love as a political concept, but a concept of love is what we need to grasp the constituent power of the multitude. The modern concept of love is almost exclusively limited to the bourgeois couple and the claustrophobic confines of the nuclear family. Love has become a strictly private affair. We need a more generous and unrestrained conception of love… Love means precisely that our expansive encounters and continuous collaborations bring us joy… This does not mean that you cannot love your spouse your Mother and your child. It only means that your love does not end there, that love serves as the basis for our political projects in common and the construction of a new society. Without this love we are nothing.
Written by: Mynci
it's the volume of HUMANS that's the problem not CO2 and not other green house gases, as humans will always create waste.
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And I'm still not 100% convinced we did anything
Written by: IPCC 2007
most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
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it's the volume of HUMANS that's the problem not CO2 and not other green house gases, as humans will always create waste.
No no no no no...
Average amount of CO2 emissions per year in cubic tonnes (2003)
US 19.8
UK 9.4
Argentina 3.3
Cuba 2.3
Bangladesh 0.25
Uganda 0.06
Cambodia 0.04
So on average, 500 Cambodians emit as much co2 as one american... It's fairly safe to say that the Bangladeshis, Ugandans and Cambodians aren't the problem - yet they, along with the many of the rest of the worlds poorest human inhabitants are likely to be the ones who suffer most from OUR actions.
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Written by: mynci
the technologically advanced nations will obviously create more recorded waste per person as we are better at recording it and have more industrial processes (won't argue we create more just how much more )
Written by: mynci
also these are all statistics and to quote oscar wilde..
"there are 3 types of lies... Lies, Damn lies and Statistics"
Written by: mynci
I actually got to watch this on More 4 over the weekend, to be frank they made some very pertinent points, I do believe the IPCC would state mans involvement in global warming as those 2 words (Global Warming) seem to have become linked to a lot of money and jobs, and they (the shows makers) have been proved right by this very thread
Written by: mynci
they said (paraphrasing to be honest)
"anyone who claims the global warming is not caused by Man gets shouted down almost before they can speak
anybody who tries to provide scientific evidence to the contrary is claimed to be in the pay of the oil companys"
Written by: mynci
I know it seems a little strong I just want people to look at things more deeply and have a little scepticism about stuff there appears to be 2 sides to, science is not exact (as a rule) it's a process of best guesses and who WOULD get up in arms or say "phew" if they saw a climate model that said,
Written by: mynci
please note I do not refer to any graphs.. I don't believe in graphs they say what people want them to say or they wouldn't be shown to others
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Written by: Mynci
pay attention to part 3 of the definition
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3 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Written by: mynci
if the sea is hotter of course levels will rise... it expands and when antarctica melts we'll all be drowned... just like when it was a lush forest and life on earth thrived, honestly... WHAT are the dangers of global warming? anyone? what will happen that will be so disasterous?
Written by: mynci
True the Earth isn't sentient, but come on, people die every day, the Earth has survived numerous Extinction Level Events and Life continues, I personally wouldn't care if every human was washed from the face of the planet, LIFE will go on, not for you not for me.
Written by: mynci
we can't predict the weather 10 days in advance so how can we do it 50-100 years it amazes me soon we'll catch up with predictions and the weather forecast will always be right
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Written by: Mynci
I did NOT state that SCIENCE was a religion that is where your link falls down. It makes sense, the amount of pagans and wikkans on HoP who believe in the force of mother nature, it's only a short hop to the idolisation in the belief of a natural force of global warming.
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Written by: Mynci
Sym yes I would say that to many making and keeping good friends is a devotion, I believe it is covered buy many world religions, are you devoted to catching trains? No I don't believe you are, if you miss one you will wait for another I can't see you crying over it or do you get trains because you want to? not because you have somewhere to go?
and hobbies like poi, they aren't really a person or cause. I would say you were dedicated not devout.
Written by: Mynci
if you follow my path you see man created god.
man created global warming.
both have huge followings as a global force which is believed to have power over the reasoning of people, just because global warming has not been personified does not make it any less of a belief. the christians persecuted non believers with words and the sword and believers of global warming are doing just the same to me
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
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Whenever SOLAR RADIATION has DECREASED and VOLCANIC ACTIVITY has INCREASED,
global temperatures SUDDENLY PLUMMET, often within weeks or months."
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Written by: Mynci
...but wasn't there a biblical flood? which I think has been corroborated by high water marks on mountains and landmarks...
Written by: Mynci
Could global warming have been the cause for noahs flood and (some) of the 10 plagues of Egypt, boils increase in insects (beetles and flies) locusts, hail (freak weather) I don't reckon the water into blood, death of first borns (although could have been a tropical disease) or plague of dark (unless there was an eclipse and lots of clouds).
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Written by: onewheeldave
Most people concerned about global warming are not under the delusion, as you seem to think they are, that it will adversely affect the planet in a literal sense, or life in the general sense.
The planet is a lump of rock that will survive the worst humanity can do and life in general will always continue regardless of humanity, even if it's mainly just cockroaches
Written by: OWD
You apparently, do not care-Written by: mynci
True the Earth isn't sentient, but come on, people die every day, the Earth has survived numerous Extinction Level Events and Life continues, I personally wouldn't care if every human was washed from the face of the planet, LIFE will go on, not for you not for me.
Now, that attitude is, to me, and most here, somewhat bizarre- in the unlikely event that you do actually not care if everyone you know dies, then so be it, that's for you to deal with/live with.
Except of course, you won't be around either if everyone is wiped away
The thing is though, that view seems more like a huge personal issue that you need to deal with, rather than being anything which is relevant to this discussion.
Written by: OWD
The vast majority of people, whichever side of the warming debate they're on, have in common the fundamental belief that, at least part of humanity is of sufficient importance to be worth caring about and any discussion pretty much assumes that.
Whereas your view point would probably be better discussed with a mental health professional (cos ultimately, you're saying you don't particualarly want to live and you're happy for all of humanity to die).
We all know the planets not in danger- you don't need to keep pointing that out, we're not stupid
We're concerned about our friends, children, grandchildren and humanity in general.
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Written by: wiki on doomsday
"End of planet earth" refers to when the Earth is theorized to either completely cease to exist as a planet or become uninhabitable for life.
According to astronomers, the Earth should last for at least five billion more years before the sun becomes a red giant. Due to the sun's loss of mass the Earth would escape to an orbit at a further distance than its current orbit. The immense heat however would likely boil off the oceans and turn the Earth into a barren wasteland looking like Mars does with a similar climate to Venus. If the Earth survived this event, the sun would further evolve into a white dwarf and provide too little heat to sustain life. Others say the atmosphere will lose its water vapor to space within 1.1 billion years because the sun will become about 10% hotter, and that the oceans will evaporate within 3.5 billion years when the sun is 40% hotter. In 3.5 billion years the Andromeda Galaxy may collide with ours and may wipe out some solar systems.
Most scenarios concerning the ultimate fate of the universe would subsequently destroy the Earth.
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