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Quoted from Fark.
Iran's recent History
1953. CIA back coup overthrows the democratically elected government.
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1953-1979 The US Supported a brutal dictatorship. 1000's murdered, tortured by the SAVAK.
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1980-1988 The US supported the aggressor in a war that cost Iran 500,000 killed
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US Navy escorts shipping up/down the gulf, but allows Iraq to sink Iranian Shipping
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US sells arms including chemical weapon to Iraq.
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1988- USS ship shoots down a commercial flight operated by Iran Air. refuse to apoligise. Gives medals to the shooters.
George H. W. Bush declared, "I will never apologize for the United States of America — I don't care what the facts are" in reference to the incident.
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US Labels Iran in the Axis of Evil
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Regional neighbors, India/Pakistan get nukes
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US invades Iran's neighbor Iraq, farking them up beyond repair.
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Now why would they want nukes after that?
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In before "why do you hate america" Kael?
My perspective. I was always against the Iraq war. Simply going in after Saddam because he had/might have had WMD's was a ridiculous reason; Especially considering that during the Reagan administration we sold Saddam the technology for chemical weapons so he would gas the Iranians (who's government we hated more at the time). Since Congress still has incumbent congressmen from the Reagan administration, no one wants to admit they signed the bill selling chemical weapons tech to Iraq, which we apparently went to get rid of in this war. Turns out Saddam didn't have them anyway, they were already used or beyond their shelf life. Congratulations on the clusterfuck Congress and Bush.
Now we're seeing commercials for supporting the bombing of Iran. I don't want them to get nukes either. But considering we're raping their neighbor Iraq for oil and contracts (Did I mention I [censored] hate Halliburton?) to rebuild their country and that we pretty much screwed them in the past, I could see why Iran would want them. World War 3 anyone?
Not to mention our rivals China and Russia have lucrative contracts with Iran. It's almost like declaring war on them but not!
Best case scenario? Open conversation between the middle eastern countries, especially Iran, Syria, Israel, and the current lackeys in Iraq. Thwart the worse case scenario... can you say, 'glass parking lot'?
Parting thought - wikipedia on Iran
[sarcasm]AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAN[/sarcasm]
I'm not proud to be an American sometimes.
Your thoughts?
Quoted from Fark.
Iran's recent History
1953. CIA back coup overthrows the democratically elected government.
Non-Https Image Link
1953-1979 The US Supported a brutal dictatorship. 1000's murdered, tortured by the SAVAK.
Non-Https Image Link
1980-1988 The US supported the aggressor in a war that cost Iran 500,000 killed
Non-Https Image Link
US Navy escorts shipping up/down the gulf, but allows Iraq to sink Iranian Shipping
Non-Https Image Link
US sells arms including chemical weapon to Iraq.
Non-Https Image Link
1988- USS ship shoots down a commercial flight operated by Iran Air. refuse to apoligise. Gives medals to the shooters.
George H. W. Bush declared, "I will never apologize for the United States of America — I don't care what the facts are" in reference to the incident.
Non-Https Image Link
US Labels Iran in the Axis of Evil
Non-Https Image Link
Regional neighbors, India/Pakistan get nukes
Non-Https Image Link
US invades Iran's neighbor Iraq, farking them up beyond repair.
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Now why would they want nukes after that?
_________________________________________________________________________
In before "why do you hate america" Kael?
My perspective. I was always against the Iraq war. Simply going in after Saddam because he had/might have had WMD's was a ridiculous reason; Especially considering that during the Reagan administration we sold Saddam the technology for chemical weapons so he would gas the Iranians (who's government we hated more at the time). Since Congress still has incumbent congressmen from the Reagan administration, no one wants to admit they signed the bill selling chemical weapons tech to Iraq, which we apparently went to get rid of in this war. Turns out Saddam didn't have them anyway, they were already used or beyond their shelf life. Congratulations on the clusterfuck Congress and Bush.
Now we're seeing commercials for supporting the bombing of Iran. I don't want them to get nukes either. But considering we're raping their neighbor Iraq for oil and contracts (Did I mention I [censored] hate Halliburton?) to rebuild their country and that we pretty much screwed them in the past, I could see why Iran would want them. World War 3 anyone?
Not to mention our rivals China and Russia have lucrative contracts with Iran. It's almost like declaring war on them but not!
Best case scenario? Open conversation between the middle eastern countries, especially Iran, Syria, Israel, and the current lackeys in Iraq. Thwart the worse case scenario... can you say, 'glass parking lot'?
Parting thought - wikipedia on Iran
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Tens of thousands of Iranian civilians and military personnel were killed when Iraq used chemical weapons in its warfare. Iraq was financially backed by Egypt, the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact states, the United States (beginning in 1983), France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, and the People's Republic of China (which also sold weapons to Iran). All of these countries provided intelligence, agents for chemical weapons as well as other forms of military assistance to Saddam Hussein. Iran's principal allies during the war were Syria, Libya, and North Korea.
With more than 100,000 Iranian victims[37] of Iraq's chemical weapons during the eight-year war, Iran is the world's second-most afflicted country by weapons of mass destruction, only to Japan.
[sarcasm]AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAN[/sarcasm]
I'm not proud to be an American sometimes.
Your thoughts?
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Why the sarcasm?
I think you should look [Old link]
Written by: KaelGotRice
[sarcasm]AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAN[/sarcasm]
I'm not proud to be an American sometimes.
Your thoughts?
Why the sarcasm?
I think you should look [Old link]
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THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
I await your next insightful expose:
"Corporations are just trying to sell you things so they can make money!"
followed perhaps by:
"Politicians only say bad things about their opponents because it helps them win elections!"
THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
I await your next insightful expose:
"Corporations are just trying to sell you things so they can make money!"
followed perhaps by:
"Politicians only say bad things about their opponents because it helps them win elections!"
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Hey NYC: back in yr box lad, enough snapping at Mr Kael now. That was well put. I knew lots of it but not all and it had pictures which is worth a silver star at least. And a great quote from Mr Bush. I may use it myself (adapted).
Hey NYC: back in yr box lad, enough snapping at Mr Kael now. That was well put. I knew lots of it but not all and it had pictures which is worth a silver star at least. And a great quote from Mr Bush. I may use it myself (adapted).
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Fair enough.
*skips off to find other ways to tease Kael*
Fair enough.
*skips off to find other ways to tease Kael*
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Well ain't the reason for that obvious?
Iran wants nukes to keep off the US and to eventually wipe Israel off the map (by the time nobody is watching)... the US (as you well put it) has always been at war with Iran, simply because (in the beginning ) nobody was watching and then it might have become simply a habitual pattern (when everybody started watching)...
Mr. Bush wants to attack Iran, because (like a T-shirt states (with the images of Hitler and himself side-by-side)): Same sh*t - different a**hole.
But maybe it's so, because the republicans really don't want to put forth the next president and need the democrats to clean up the mess they left (just to successfully run for presidency 2012 (which will then fullfill the mayan calendar and end all times))...
Then again, maybe it's simply to the fact that we need (enough) international conflicts, so we are diverted from our internal conflicts and destracted (whilst the polyticksian cast is taking all the dough, i.e.:
"these ppl" know that this planet is going down any which way (even if we're saving on CO2 and shopping bags) - do not believe in reincarnation, "learned" what (their) life is really worth and are simply humming a corrupted/ perverted version of the old Bobbie Marley song, whilst they fill their pockets...
)
I'll stop now, before I completely go astray
But thanks for putting it all together so nicely illustrated
Well ain't the reason for that obvious?
Iran wants nukes to keep off the US and to eventually wipe Israel off the map (by the time nobody is watching)... the US (as you well put it) has always been at war with Iran, simply because (in the beginning ) nobody was watching and then it might have become simply a habitual pattern (when everybody started watching)...
Mr. Bush wants to attack Iran, because (like a T-shirt states (with the images of Hitler and himself side-by-side)): Same sh*t - different a**hole.
But maybe it's so, because the republicans really don't want to put forth the next president and need the democrats to clean up the mess they left (just to successfully run for presidency 2012 (which will then fullfill the mayan calendar and end all times))...
Then again, maybe it's simply to the fact that we need (enough) international conflicts, so we are diverted from our internal conflicts and destracted (whilst the polyticksian cast is taking all the dough, i.e.:
"these ppl" know that this planet is going down any which way (even if we're saving on CO2 and shopping bags) - do not believe in reincarnation, "learned" what (their) life is really worth and are simply humming a corrupted/ perverted version of the old Bobbie Marley song, whilst they fill their pockets...
)I'll stop now, before I completely go astray
But thanks for putting it all together so nicely illustrated
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Last year, a professor of Politics from university of Tampa FL. came to see us here in Spain.
The whole time he was talking, all he could say was how much bigger and better everything was in America. No seriously. Then, He went on to tell us all about the very recent goings on in Politics in thee states. Now, realise we study 'teaching english as a foreign language'... even with the use of anagrams I can't get the word 'politics' out of that...
He was telling us how, yes, bush had f*cked up, but now, the americans can't pull outof Iraq, because Iraq is unable to defend itself against it's old enemy, Iran...
At this point I stopped listening, for I was laughing to myself quite hard...
Last year, a professor of Politics from university of Tampa FL. came to see us here in Spain.
The whole time he was talking, all he could say was how much bigger and better everything was in America. No seriously. Then, He went on to tell us all about the very recent goings on in Politics in thee states. Now, realise we study 'teaching english as a foreign language'... even with the use of anagrams I can't get the word 'politics' out of that...
He was telling us how, yes, bush had f*cked up, but now, the americans can't pull outof Iraq, because Iraq is unable to defend itself against it's old enemy, Iran...
At this point I stopped listening, for I was laughing to myself quite hard...
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American politics reminds me of a small child with chocolate covered hands and mouth, and looking guilty. When someone asks where all the chocolate went they insist they have no idea, AND THE WHOLE WORLD ACCEPTS THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTING OUT FREEDOM BY TORTURING PEOPLE AND OCCUPYING COUNTRIES WITH OIL IN.....
...rather than just telling them off.
It's almost funny, if you ignore all the real people.
American politics reminds me of a small child with chocolate covered hands and mouth, and looking guilty. When someone asks where all the chocolate went they insist they have no idea, AND THE WHOLE WORLD ACCEPTS THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTING OUT FREEDOM BY TORTURING PEOPLE AND OCCUPYING COUNTRIES WITH OIL IN.....
...rather than just telling them off.
It's almost funny, if you ignore all the real people.
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Stargazer
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Posted:
nicely put 
nicely put the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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I made this thread because the other thread is about "Why America hates Iran" because of oil, nukes, and other factors. This thread is along the lines of "why Iran would want nukes in the first place". I'm not apologizing or saying that it's okay that they have nukes, but rather that I see the situation that they're in.
I recently read an article in the local Utah paper which stated that America has reasons to distrust Iran since the Iranians held the American Embassy hostage in the 1970s. Well, the reason that they did that was because we sabotaged their democratically elected government in the 1950s and they didn't want it to happen again. Oddly enough, the paper failed to mention that we destroyed a budding democracy.
The fact that my country is so bias and uneducated makes me sad If the media spin machine and government sends us into another ridiculous war...
The more we know, the better this world will be, I hope.
I made this thread because the other thread is about "Why America hates Iran" because of oil, nukes, and other factors. This thread is along the lines of "why Iran would want nukes in the first place". I'm not apologizing or saying that it's okay that they have nukes, but rather that I see the situation that they're in.
I recently read an article in the local Utah paper which stated that America has reasons to distrust Iran since the Iranians held the American Embassy hostage in the 1970s. Well, the reason that they did that was because we sabotaged their democratically elected government in the 1950s and they didn't want it to happen again. Oddly enough, the paper failed to mention that we destroyed a budding democracy.
The fact that my country is so bias and uneducated makes me sad
If the media spin machine and government sends us into another ridiculous war...The more we know, the better this world will be, I hope.
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There is no doubt our government has done soem bad stuff in the past... WE can't change that, all we can do is move on and try to make things better.
I suppose everything was just date palms and orange happy sunshine before the USA went into Iraq?
What? Iraq han't built any new hospitals in 20 years? What? Half of Iraqi hospitals were closed down years before the USA invaded. What? Inflation was at 12,000%?!?!?
You won't see it on the evening news, because "what bleeds, leads" But the good things happening outweigh the bad 10-1
Contrary to popular belief new infastructure and schools and hospitals are being built every day in iraq, raising the standard of living for everybody. How is this a bad thing? The USA is helping the Iraqi people, despite the efforts of iran to destablize the region.
Does anybody realy think that, if america pulls out of Iraq today, the islamo-facists will all just lay down their arms and have a good "talk" about peace and happiness? Iran is a big part of the problems in the region.
Who is going to stop Iran and North Korea from building nukes? the UN? They can't even stop a genocide by gangsters armed with AKs... what are they going to do about a nuclear arms group of rouge terrorist states....exactly the same thing they have done to stop every genocide in africa.... exactly nothing.
While france and germany and te rest of the world stand around and pout and write "strongly worded condemnations" The USA (and the UK) are going to be the ones doing the dirty word. It's out blood int eh mud, trying to stop a nuclear holocaust.
The OP mentioned Pakistan and India... since when has either of these countries threatened to wipe Israel (or any other country) off the face of the earth? Iran has. Iran is led by a nut job who thinks he can start WW3 and the 12th iman will jump up out of a well or some BS.
Nobody wants war.
But there is a price to pay now, or we can pay it later. If we pay it later it will cost the lives of hundreds of millions. If we pay it now, maybe it will only cost a few tens of thousands.
I'm sure The same arguments were being made in 1936 as Hitler was gaining power. We could have stopped him then, and chose not to.
you can't have a "dialoge" with terrorists who want nothing more than to take over your land, your life, your religeon,
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just "sit down and have a nice talk" but the world doesn't work that way. Iran will get nukes, and use them, if allowed to. They already have the missles to deliever them. They thumb their noses at the UN and start up more uranium enrichment facilities every day.
I, for one, am tired of the USA being blamed for everything that goes wrong in the world. It's our fault when we DON'T do some thing to stop some other country from killing their own people, it's our fault when we DO something to stop another country from killing it's own people. Everything is OUR fault.
How about the world take some responsibility of their own.
Islamo-facism is taking over the world, 250,000 dead every year (mostly in SE asia), innocent women and children and civilians killed at random by islamofacists every year, and rising.
Eurabia Union is going to be the new name of the EU if things keep going like they are. London has what, 1.2 million muslims now? With the younger genereation more and more leaning towards radical islam. (30% of youngsters support having sharia law, according to the latest survey) bet you didn't see that on the bbc.
There is no doubt our government has done soem bad stuff in the past... WE can't change that, all we can do is move on and try to make things better.
I suppose everything was just date palms and orange happy sunshine before the USA went into Iraq?
What? Iraq han't built any new hospitals in 20 years? What? Half of Iraqi hospitals were closed down years before the USA invaded. What? Inflation was at 12,000%?!?!?
You won't see it on the evening news, because "what bleeds, leads" But the good things happening outweigh the bad 10-1
Contrary to popular belief new infastructure and schools and hospitals are being built every day in iraq, raising the standard of living for everybody. How is this a bad thing? The USA is helping the Iraqi people, despite the efforts of iran to destablize the region.
Does anybody realy think that, if america pulls out of Iraq today, the islamo-facists will all just lay down their arms and have a good "talk" about peace and happiness? Iran is a big part of the problems in the region.
Who is going to stop Iran and North Korea from building nukes? the UN? They can't even stop a genocide by gangsters armed with AKs... what are they going to do about a nuclear arms group of rouge terrorist states....exactly the same thing they have done to stop every genocide in africa.... exactly nothing.
While france and germany and te rest of the world stand around and pout and write "strongly worded condemnations" The USA (and the UK) are going to be the ones doing the dirty word. It's out blood int eh mud, trying to stop a nuclear holocaust.
The OP mentioned Pakistan and India... since when has either of these countries threatened to wipe Israel (or any other country) off the face of the earth? Iran has. Iran is led by a nut job who thinks he can start WW3 and the 12th iman will jump up out of a well or some BS.
Nobody wants war.
But there is a price to pay now, or we can pay it later. If we pay it later it will cost the lives of hundreds of millions. If we pay it now, maybe it will only cost a few tens of thousands.
I'm sure The same arguments were being made in 1936 as Hitler was gaining power. We could have stopped him then, and chose not to.
you can't have a "dialoge" with terrorists who want nothing more than to take over your land, your life, your religeon,
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just "sit down and have a nice talk" but the world doesn't work that way. Iran will get nukes, and use them, if allowed to. They already have the missles to deliever them. They thumb their noses at the UN and start up more uranium enrichment facilities every day.
I, for one, am tired of the USA being blamed for everything that goes wrong in the world. It's our fault when we DON'T do some thing to stop some other country from killing their own people, it's our fault when we DO something to stop another country from killing it's own people. Everything is OUR fault.
How about the world take some responsibility of their own.
Islamo-facism is taking over the world, 250,000 dead every year (mostly in SE asia), innocent women and children and civilians killed at random by islamofacists every year, and rising.
Eurabia Union is going to be the new name of the EU if things keep going like they are. London has what, 1.2 million muslims now? With the younger genereation more and more leaning towards radical islam. (30% of youngsters support having sharia law, according to the latest survey) bet you didn't see that on the bbc.
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And when (not IF) Iran starts dropping nukes, will you still think it would have been rediculous to stop them when we can before they murdered millions of innocent jews and who knows who else?
Written by: KaelGotRice
The fact that my country is so bias and uneducated makes me sad
And when (not IF) Iran starts dropping nukes, will you still think it would have been rediculous to stop them when we can before they murdered millions of innocent jews and who knows who else?
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Maybe that is because the US imposed sanctions against them?
Written by: DJ Dantana
What? Iraq han't built any new hospitals in 20 years? What? Half of Iraqi hospitals were closed down years before the USA invaded. What? Inflation was at 12,000%?!?!?
Maybe that is because the US imposed sanctions against them?
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An interesting summary of the current state of affairs.
An interesting summary of the current state of affairs.
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i really agree with what dantana said.
i dont think it matters why iran would want nukes. what matters is that a country that's led by a man who openly says he wants to wipe israel off the map shouldnt have nukes.
i really agree with what dantana said.
i dont think it matters why iran would want nukes. what matters is that a country that's led by a man who openly says he wants to wipe israel off the map shouldnt have nukes.
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And I agree with him, Israel's US and English backed behaviour is disgusting and not the correct way to go about it. I am not against Israel, but I am against the way they have acted.
This isn't a thread about Israel though.
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Iran's foreign minister denied on Monday that Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood.
"Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned," Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English, after addressing the European Parliament.
Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki addresses a news conference in Brussels February 20, 2006. [Reuters]
"How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime," he said.
And I agree with him, Israel's US and English backed behaviour is disgusting and not the correct way to go about it. I am not against Israel, but I am against the way they have acted.
This isn't a thread about Israel though.
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No this isn't a thread about Israel,,but IMO,,Poiboy speaks the truth.
Sym, that quote you posted reads like a great big load of rhetorical bullshit. Yea, maybe if Iran did nuke Israel, then Israel would still exist on "the map" it's just the people who live there won't exist anymore.
The IDF isn't known for it's soft and fuzzy approach towards it's enemies, and there's a good chance that they'll strike first once Iran develops nuclear weapons.
No this isn't a thread about Israel,,but IMO,,Poiboy speaks the truth.
Sym, that quote you posted reads like a great big load of rhetorical bullshit. Yea, maybe if Iran did nuke Israel, then Israel would still exist on "the map" it's just the people who live there won't exist anymore.
The IDF isn't known for it's soft and fuzzy approach towards it's enemies, and there's a good chance that they'll strike first once Iran develops nuclear weapons.
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What did indonesia do to hurt islam? what did Malaysia do to hurt islam? What did Tailand do? Then why are these coutries (and many more) getting bombed and their children beheaded on the way to school? As I said before, 250,000 every year in SE asia are getting killed by islamic extreamists. for what? For not bowing to allah 4 times a day. for their women not wearing burkas and having to audicity to go to school and walk outside alone without the escort of a man, for wearing a bikini (or a shirt that exposes their arms)
There is a sad thing happening around the world right now, and it has VERY little to do with USA foreign policy (or past mistakes) . Radical islam is trying to take over the world. And they are being aided passively by their less-radical islamic brothers. There is a liberal minority who speak out against this, but most of them live in literal fear for their lives.
Don't take my word for it, listen to their own words. The trick is, radical islam practices double speak.
In english they say things like "islam is a religeon of peace, we only want equality, etc" Just look at what the iranian president says! He speaks with two toungs.
In their native language, on their own TV, in their own newspapers, they say the oposite. They want to take over the world and are not secrative about it. They even say it in english, if you know where to look.
The leadership of Iran is in the forefront of this radical islamic movement. They don't want to negotiate or talk, they want us all to bow down to allah 4 times a day, they want to subjegate women (as virtual slaves) and role back the clock on human rights. And cut off heads of anyone who says "no" to allah.
radical islam has spread like wildfire across SE asia, and is spreading into europe, too. Their birthrate is 5X the native eurasia population. in a couple generations islam will be the majority, Pay attention to what the younge islamic children are saying. MANY want sharia law. not just a few. They have rejected multi-culturalism and are using our own freedoms of speech and religeon against us. And they laugh at our stupidity while they do it. Look at what has been happening in NYC, in Paris, in London, in Tailand even!
North Korea is allied with Iran. North Korea has heavy water facilities and is making plutonium. Iran is enriching uranium. Venezuelan has uranium ore, and is involved with heavy trade with Iran president/dictator Hugo Chavez is best buds with Iranian nutjob president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
put togeth the pieces. To make a high yeild nuke, you need uranium with a plutonium trigger. And it's really cool to have missles to deliver it, which they have.
You may hate Bush, or the USA, but simply because bush labled them an "axis of evil" does not make it untrue. Look at their actions, not their words.
I'll leave you with clip of an interview of Glenn Beck with a member of the Islamic Thinkers Society (known to do demonstrations in NYC)
https://mfile.akamai.com/6713/wma/glennbeck.download.akamai.com/6713/preview/06/11/m_interview.asx
What did indonesia do to hurt islam? what did Malaysia do to hurt islam? What did Tailand do? Then why are these coutries (and many more) getting bombed and their children beheaded on the way to school? As I said before, 250,000 every year in SE asia are getting killed by islamic extreamists. for what? For not bowing to allah 4 times a day. for their women not wearing burkas and having to audicity to go to school and walk outside alone without the escort of a man, for wearing a bikini (or a shirt that exposes their arms)
There is a sad thing happening around the world right now, and it has VERY little to do with USA foreign policy (or past mistakes) . Radical islam is trying to take over the world. And they are being aided passively by their less-radical islamic brothers. There is a liberal minority who speak out against this, but most of them live in literal fear for their lives.
Don't take my word for it, listen to their own words. The trick is, radical islam practices double speak.
In english they say things like "islam is a religeon of peace, we only want equality, etc" Just look at what the iranian president says! He speaks with two toungs.
In their native language, on their own TV, in their own newspapers, they say the oposite. They want to take over the world and are not secrative about it. They even say it in english, if you know where to look.
The leadership of Iran is in the forefront of this radical islamic movement. They don't want to negotiate or talk, they want us all to bow down to allah 4 times a day, they want to subjegate women (as virtual slaves) and role back the clock on human rights. And cut off heads of anyone who says "no" to allah.
radical islam has spread like wildfire across SE asia, and is spreading into europe, too. Their birthrate is 5X the native eurasia population. in a couple generations islam will be the majority, Pay attention to what the younge islamic children are saying. MANY want sharia law. not just a few. They have rejected multi-culturalism and are using our own freedoms of speech and religeon against us. And they laugh at our stupidity while they do it. Look at what has been happening in NYC, in Paris, in London, in Tailand even!
North Korea is allied with Iran. North Korea has heavy water facilities and is making plutonium. Iran is enriching uranium. Venezuelan has uranium ore, and is involved with heavy trade with Iran president/dictator Hugo Chavez is best buds with Iranian nutjob president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
put togeth the pieces. To make a high yeild nuke, you need uranium with a plutonium trigger. And it's really cool to have missles to deliver it, which they have.
You may hate Bush, or the USA, but simply because bush labled them an "axis of evil" does not make it untrue. Look at their actions, not their words.
I'll leave you with clip of an interview of Glenn Beck with a member of the Islamic Thinkers Society (known to do demonstrations in NYC)
https://mfile.akamai.com/6713/wma/glennbeck.download.akamai.com/6713/preview/06/11/m_interview.asx
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Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA
Posted:
just some quotes to enlighten folk
PREACHER of hate Abu Izzadeen has called on all Muslims serving in the Army to be killed.
In a vile sermon delivered at a mosque he rages against Muslims that work for the Government — and says they should be beheaded. A recording of the rant has emerged just days after police uncovered a terrorist plot to kidnap and murder a 20-year-old British Muslim serving in the Army.
On the recording uncovered by ITN News, Izzadeen, 30, shouts: “Whoever allies himself with the Kaffirs (non-believers) against the believers — he is one of them. Remember the British Government, my dear Muslim brothers, are crusaders — crusaders come to kill and rape Muslims. Whoever joins them — he who joins the British Army, he who joins the American army he is a mortal Kaffir. And his only hukum (punishment) is for his head to be removed. Indeed whoever changes his deen (Muslim code of life) kill him.”
His sermon was made at London’s Regent’s Park Mosque in the Summer of 2004.
just some quotes to enlighten folk
PREACHER of hate Abu Izzadeen has called on all Muslims serving in the Army to be killed.
In a vile sermon delivered at a mosque he rages against Muslims that work for the Government — and says they should be beheaded. A recording of the rant has emerged just days after police uncovered a terrorist plot to kidnap and murder a 20-year-old British Muslim serving in the Army.
On the recording uncovered by ITN News, Izzadeen, 30, shouts: “Whoever allies himself with the Kaffirs (non-believers) against the believers — he is one of them. Remember the British Government, my dear Muslim brothers, are crusaders — crusaders come to kill and rape Muslims. Whoever joins them — he who joins the British Army, he who joins the American army he is a mortal Kaffir. And his only hukum (punishment) is for his head to be removed. Indeed whoever changes his deen (Muslim code of life) kill him.”
His sermon was made at London’s Regent’s Park Mosque in the Summer of 2004.
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Location: Diss, Norfolk, United Kingdom
Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Location: Diss, Norfolk, United Kingdom
Posted:
Whatever dude, I give up.
Go and bomb the town heads and make the world a better place.
Whatever dude, I give up.
Go and bomb the town heads and make the world a better place.
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: Canada
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Canada
Posted:
What's going on in Malaysia? I searched but couldn't find anything
The Thailand situation is fueled by Muslim separatists, and has been for decades, but even after the recent coup, the violence is escalating and the Buddhists are starting to exact their revenge.
Bali got bombed for entertaining foreign tourists. Bali isn't a Muslim island, they have their own Balinese religion and the Muslims think they should fall into line with the rest of the country.
Dantana, where did you get that figure of 30% from? When I research the issue I keep running into a study done by Munira Mirza that claims that 37% of British Muslim youth ( 16-24 ) support Sharia law. It'll be interesting to see if they get their wish. I figure North America is pretty safe in this respect.
Have you seen the Islamist Thinkers website? It's a real eye opener, good thing there's only like six of them.
What's going on in Malaysia? I searched but couldn't find anything
The Thailand situation is fueled by Muslim separatists, and has been for decades, but even after the recent coup, the violence is escalating and the Buddhists are starting to exact their revenge.
Bali got bombed for entertaining foreign tourists. Bali isn't a Muslim island, they have their own Balinese religion and the Muslims think they should fall into line with the rest of the country.
Dantana, where did you get that figure of 30% from? When I research the issue I keep running into a study done by Munira Mirza that claims that 37% of British Muslim youth ( 16-24 ) support Sharia law. It'll be interesting to see if they get their wish. I figure North America is pretty safe in this respect.
Have you seen the Islamist Thinkers website? It's a real eye opener, good thing there's only like six of them.
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
Posted:
Isn't Indonesia primarily muslim? So what have the islamics done to indonesia, dj dantana that's so horrible?
I am Thai. For the main part the islamic separatist movement was done in reaction to the hard head PM Thaksin's policies in the south. Now that the head general is in fact muslim, the violence we saw in bangkok recently are those who want the PM reinstated. So what exactly are so evil about the Muslims?
Like I said before, I'm not for Iran having nukes. But we (the US) are the ones with "shock and awe" capabilities and nukes at this moment.
Considering we're the ones with that power, we shouldn't go exercising that power unwisely. As said before, our past actions in the region direct this current conflict and caused those in Iraq and Iran to suffer. Should we fail again, then the situation will get much worse.
Isn't Indonesia primarily muslim? So what have the islamics done to indonesia, dj dantana that's so horrible?
I am Thai. For the main part the islamic separatist movement was done in reaction to the hard head PM Thaksin's policies in the south. Now that the head general is in fact muslim, the violence we saw in bangkok recently are those who want the PM reinstated. So what exactly are so evil about the Muslims?
Like I said before, I'm not for Iran having nukes. But we (the US) are the ones with "shock and awe" capabilities and nukes at this moment.
Considering we're the ones with that power, we shouldn't go exercising that power unwisely. As said before, our past actions in the region direct this current conflict and caused those in Iraq and Iran to suffer. Should we fail again, then the situation will get much worse.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
Posted:
Also, I've heard pat robertson talk about killing those who are for abortion and all the muslims in the region. Thise quote war could go on forever. Don't tell me about Islamic religious fanaticism because Christians have their own nutcases.
Also, I've heard pat robertson talk about killing those who are for abortion and all the muslims in the region. Thise quote war could go on forever. Don't tell me about Islamic religious fanaticism because Christians have their own nutcases.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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bastard child of satan
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Location: Raanana, Israel
bastard child of satan
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Location: Raanana, Israel
Posted:
just something that looks weird to me- even if iran doesnt use its nukes on israel, but still makes the US's economy fall, did you even think what would happen when islam extreme is the biggest empire? i'd much rather have a greedy idiot who is still slightly sane have that much influence, instead of having everyone who is an "infidel" (which generally means anyone who isnt muslim) slaughtered or forced to convert to islam.
just something that looks weird to me- even if iran doesnt use its nukes on israel, but still makes the US's economy fall, did you even think what would happen when islam extreme is the biggest empire? i'd much rather have a greedy idiot who is still slightly sane have that much influence, instead of having everyone who is an "infidel" (which generally means anyone who isnt muslim) slaughtered or forced to convert to islam.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
this is not really about christians agains muslims though
it is about radical muslims going after nontheocratic nations what they see as nations against islam, as this country is not a theocracy it is not a war against christians and muslims
this is not really about christians agains muslims though
it is about radical muslims going after nontheocratic nations what they see as nations against islam, as this country is not a theocracy it is not a war against christians and muslims
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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enthusiast
382 posts
Location: In Ger Land, India
enthusiast
382 posts
Location: In Ger Land, India
Posted:
Dantana and poiboy, you are paranoid nutters who need to get out more
Dantana and poiboy, you are paranoid nutters who need to get out more
Some things you have to see to believe, but
Some things you have to believe in to see.
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bastard child of satan
1,113 posts
Location: Raanana, Israel
bastard child of satan
1,113 posts
Location: Raanana, Israel
Posted:
dude, while i know that not all muslims are like this, it scares the
out of me when a guy who says he wants to wipe out my country can develop nukes while everyone sits aside watching.
as much as i hate bush, he's much better than islam extremists.
if america falls as an empire, radical islam will probably take it's place. its already annoying that we need to listen to orthodox jews here (like shops not allowed to be open on saturdays, no bread can be sold in passover etc.) i cant imagine having to listen to islam extremists, as islam is much stricter than judaism, and they'd probably kill me off in a day.
EDITED_BY: Poiboy (1171027850)
dude, while i know that not all muslims are like this, it scares the
out of me when a guy who says he wants to wipe out my country can develop nukes while everyone sits aside watching.as much as i hate bush, he's much better than islam extremists.
if america falls as an empire, radical islam will probably take it's place. its already annoying that we need to listen to orthodox jews here (like shops not allowed to be open on saturdays, no bread can be sold in passover etc.) i cant imagine having to listen to islam extremists, as islam is much stricter than judaism, and they'd probably kill me off in a day.
EDITED_BY: Poiboy (1171027850)
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Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
Pooh-Bah
1,872 posts
Location: Canada
Posted:
Hey now there's a personal attack if I've ever seen one.
I've gotta get myself a pair of those rose tinted glasses too.
Written by: Moohaahaa
Dantana and poiboy, you are paranoid nutters who need to get out more
Hey now there's a personal attack if I've ever seen one.
I've gotta get myself a pair of those rose tinted glasses too.
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enthusiast
382 posts
Location: In Ger Land, India
enthusiast
382 posts
Location: In Ger Land, India
Posted:
Rose tinted specs are indeed lovely
I would say that mild personal attacks are slightly less offensive than blatant racism, what d'ya reckon?
Rose tinted specs are indeed lovely
I would say that mild personal attacks are slightly less offensive than blatant racism, what d'ya reckon?
Some things you have to see to believe, but
Some things you have to believe in to see.
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bastard child of satan
1,113 posts
Location: Raanana, Israel
bastard child of satan
1,113 posts
Location: Raanana, Israel
Posted:
moohaahaa, care to explain how what i said was racism? we were talking about iran as a country, we didnt say all iranians are terrorists, their leader is. when people here are saying they hate the US, they dont mean they hate americans, they hate the american government.
but let's face it, muslim countries have a very religious society, so it's easy for any nutjob to manipulate them by calling everyone he hates infidels and using the word allah in every sentence.
if we let ahmedinejad pass and build nukes, he's going to nuke israel and the US, and even if he wont build nukes but he destroys america's economy (selling oil in euros i think... yellfire's thread) and america loses its place as an empire, did you think who would take their place? do you really want radical islam to be an empire? did you think how many people would get killed? there are many things which are okay in our society, but are sins in islam, and i can assume that muslim extremists will kill because of these sins. plus women would lose pretty much all their rights.
i agree with everyone that the war in iraq was a mistake. they should've gone after the guy trying to get nukes and destroy america and the US instead.
moohaahaa, care to explain how what i said was racism? we were talking about iran as a country, we didnt say all iranians are terrorists, their leader is. when people here are saying they hate the US, they dont mean they hate americans, they hate the american government.
but let's face it, muslim countries have a very religious society, so it's easy for any nutjob to manipulate them by calling everyone he hates infidels and using the word allah in every sentence.
if we let ahmedinejad pass and build nukes, he's going to nuke israel and the US, and even if he wont build nukes but he destroys america's economy (selling oil in euros i think... yellfire's thread) and america loses its place as an empire, did you think who would take their place? do you really want radical islam to be an empire? did you think how many people would get killed? there are many things which are okay in our society, but are sins in islam, and i can assume that muslim extremists will kill because of these sins. plus women would lose pretty much all their rights.
i agree with everyone that the war in iraq was a mistake. they should've gone after the guy trying to get nukes and destroy america and the US instead.
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
1,858 posts
Location: Diss, Norfolk, United Kingdom
Geek-enviro-hippy priest
1,858 posts
Location: Diss, Norfolk, United Kingdom
Posted:
Whilst we're at it:
let's face it, amarica has a very religious society, so it's easy for any nutjob to manipulate them by calling everyone he hates terrorist and using the word god in every sentence.
Written by: Poiboy
but let's face it, muslim countries have a very religious society, so it's easy for any nutjob to manipulate them by calling everyone he hates infidels and using the word allah in every sentence.
Whilst we're at it:
let's face it, amarica has a very religious society, so it's easy for any nutjob to manipulate them by calling everyone he hates terrorist and using the word god in every sentence.
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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