Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Written by: mcp
OWD: I don't know if I *need* to explain my argument. I could just sit in the kitchen and watch some water boil instead....
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Written by: MiG
not wishing to pick a fight here, but, jeff, if the authors that are positive peer reviewing this book are absolute idiots, then can the same assumption be drawn from your negative peer review?
I mean, how do i know you really exist?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: ben-ja-men
yes "the quantum brain" by jeffrey satinover explains it really well, id try to summarise it but its kind of one of the conclusions of a 225 p quantum physics/Alife book
Pity it's wrong. Mabey I'm being elitist but is it really suprising that a book written by a psychiatrist on a subject about high level biology and quantum physics would reach wrong conclusions based on wishful thinking? Humans (or any other kind of life) aren't anything special from a chemical or phyical view. mcp is right as always, the brain is too big and hot for quanta to play an effect.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Physics get turned into metaphysics in What The Bleep Do We Know!?, a documentary aimed at the totally gullible. Shifting from quantum theory to mystical mumbo jumbo in the blink of an eye, it blends hard science fact with Star Trek visuals, and talking head interviewees with a deadly dull drama about hearing impaired photographer Amanda (Marlee Matlin) and her attempts to achieve a happier life through positive thinking. What does it all mean? We're bleeped if we know.
It's tough to separate the science fact from the science fiction in this attempt to explain life, the universe and everything. Bringing together 'authorities' from the world of science and religion - and sometimes kooky characters from both camps - the three (count 'em) directors come up with some strange theories about quantum physics and the power of positive thinking. If you take What The Bleep at face value, you'll believe that it's been scientifically proven that labelling jars of tap water with negative or positive words actually changes the shapes of the water molecules themselves, or that mass meditation can reduce crime rates, or that reality is just a holodeck, or... Well, you get the idea.
"LESS STEPHEN HAWKING, MORE OPRAH WINFREY"
Eagerly pushing a New Age agenda this is less Stephen Hawking, more Oprah Winfrey: the self-help manual for the multiplex audiences of the 21st century. It feels like an advert for a cult, so it's no surprise to learn that the filmmakers allegedly have ties to the kooky folk at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment. Credulity required.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Written by: mcp
yes, even a phd in a relevant field doesn't make you an expert. I could get a phd in practically any subject I choose and still have minimal knowledge of some parts. I could probably have miminal knowledge of the field of the phd and still get it, that's what I did with my degree.
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Pity it's wrong. Mabey I'm being elitist but is it really suprising that a book written by a psychiatrist on a subject about high level biology and quantum physics would reach wrong conclusions based on wishful thinking?
Written by: mcp
also ben, you didn't reply to my post, which I hope was trying to get to the bottom of your argument without getting bogged down in arguments.
Written by: mcp
You should attempt to understand jeff's arguments instead of questioning his credentials. Crendentials didn't make einstein right.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Written by: ben-ja-men
feel free to cite a more recent paper that discredit them and i will humbily concede that you are right.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: mcp
ARGH!
1) This whole argument is: Hey look, humans have thiscomputers don't, therefore computers can never be truly conscious.
In this caseis randomness introduced by amplified quantum effects.
And yet, computers can have random effects added to their programming too. So this argument is done. unless ben wants to add something.
2) Or maybe ben-ja-men is trying to say this new argument: Humans have a special thing, called a soul, it resides, computers don't have the and therefore thou they can mimic intelligence, they don't have souls and aren't really properly conscious. (Because you need a soul to be properly conscious)
Now we've come a long way from the pineal gland, but maybe ben-ja-men is stating that the human 'soul' or part that makes us self aware, resides in the quantum effects. (Thou since he seems to be saying they add randomness, don't seem to be a very good medium for a soul.)
I don't believe this argument either.
This is also where the john searle argument came in, but I'm going to resist the urge to bash it yet again.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: mcp
quantum effects are generally cancelled out on a macro scale. Hence water does boil when you watch it.
this is true as a general rule however human beings can act as quantum amplifiers making it possible to bring random events to our scale of existence
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
POI THEO(R)IST
Written by: ben-ja-men
so its possible for us to make a decision completely at random (ie we cant work it out based on looking at the internal state/history of the individual as the decision is based on random nondetermined phenomenon), something a computer doesnt do as it follows its program to the last zero.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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