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When Tom Cruise uttered those famous words in the film Top Gun, "I feel the need, the need for speed", he would not have known that his words had already been taken literally by the U.S. Air Force, in a way he could never have imagined.
This documentary exposes how the Air Force, Navy and Special Forces have been issuing mind-altering drugs to their soldiers and airmen - almost certainly resulting in the deaths of allied forces and innocent civilians. In an extraordinary investigation, American military personnel speak for the first time, to explain how they were used as guinea pigs in wars ranging from the Gulf, Bosnia, Afghanistan and right up until the recent conflict in Iraq. We also discover that vital information on 'friendly fire' incidents has been withheld and examine the true human costs of wars fought on drugs.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
quote:Did you know that people are alergic to some forms of medicine? What would you say to putting a pilot (lets use the F/A 18D, a 2 seated aircraft) and an electronics officer up in the air with a 27 million dollar aircraft lets say 30,000 pounds of fuel lets say they take off from MCAS Miramar, (located in downtown San Diego) then give the pilot this pill. The pilot has an alergic reaction, that say causes him to pass out.
that they affect people enough that they need a ground test - but they are NOT tested during training so the pilots reaction in a combat situation cannot be ascertained,
quote:The military has more laws to follow than civilians. Can you comprehend this?
that the military doesn't have to obey the law, defending friendly fire incident as just something that happens and that we should deal with it
quote:Was that supposed to be a quote from me? Or were you having a deluted fantasy that you had a clue of what the military is like or what someone would say?
"sorry, but the US military is above the law - whether or not they were taking amphetemines - just deal with it"
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quote:Am I advocating or defending drug use? No. I am flat out telling you that the drug used was not the only factor. Nor can it be blamed for the sole reason for any FF incident.
Never thought I'd see the day Ray is advocating the use of drugs, especially when so many lives are at stake. I persoanlly wouldn't leave myself in charge of any mechanical object under any sort of drugs, be it alcohol or cough medicine
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quote:only you ray...
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
Peace is a dream, sober up and smell the gunpowder!
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
quote:Well... in fact you did not come out right and say that. However your sure implied it...
Originally posted by frostypaw:
Comically at no point in this thread have i said that the drugs that were all that was to blame.
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it would explain a lot of the random killings/shooting into crowds/torture and abuse of captives etc - speed and morals don't mix well
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If you're caught driving a car on speed here it's immediate loss of license I believe.
I'm sure they're not doing that because their No-Doze(tm) makes them better drivers
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and we wouldn't let our pilots fly around drugged up because we're responsible enough to CARE if we shoot friendly troops
quote:I mean for the first page almost every other post you made implied that the drugs were the cause for all the FF.
and that's what's turning up the drugs stuff...
not complicated issit
quote:Just incase you needed a reminder of what you said.
Too much of a wimp to do anything more than try and bully someone you think is small into shutting up? You big bad brave marine you
Shall we get a child in here for you to bully? they're less threatening but possibly still better informed than you.
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quote:No!!!!, but I think there are some shades of grey slipping into your arguments, hey
You are highly exagerating the effects of these pills.
quote:Ray, I believe in the teachings of Christ and follow the commandment that says “thou shalt not kill”. So do you, in your capacity as a US Marine in a war situation, murder people or kill people? Either way, it’s goes against the teachings of Christ, no matter what your military Chaplin says.
I personaly view a distiction between murder and killing.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
quote:Yikes! I need to change my prescription, then. I see lots of colors.
Originally posted by Charles:
The world is black and white, I agree entirely with Ray.
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