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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:I merely give you the site adress and leave the decision up to you

http://www.robertheart.com
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the man, the myth, the legend, the heart


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King Of Bongo


King Of Bongo

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Location: Berlin

Total posts: 522
Posted:"Either hand, in all directions, from any position"

I seem to remember hearing someone scream they wanted his babies...

what more can I say?
the man's an angel...


Your life is ending one minute at a time...
So live it.

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Cassandra


Cassandra

Froggie ... Ribbit !!!
Location: Back in Paris... for now !

Total posts: 4224
Posted:after all he is the only man on earth that can spin 1 1/2 staff

talking about him too much is bad for my karma though ...

shine on
Cass


"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:Umm...i want to make funny remarks about the site but I'm worried he might be a memeber...

Also, on a serious note,

quote: The qualities and aspects of my show are as follows:

World's largest flaming fire staffs (6 feet long with 2 feet of wicking on both ends)

Twirling speeds up to 90 m.p.h.
Hmm, I'm sure there are staff out there that are loner than six feet for more than 2 foot of wicking on them...I've seen a few stiltwalkers using ones that were at least 8 feet long.

Besdies, 2 foot of wick isn't that much is it?

I've got two staffs at home with four feet on each end, and a guy I met here in Auckland had a six foot (or longer) one with 3 lots of 2 foot. i.e. 6 foot. He was a big person...

Anyway, I digress.

Just for everyone else, I'm putting this thread into the staff section as well...


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Personally, I think he is making a sad attempt at compensation! Maybe no one ever told him that faster is not always better and maybe the conversion in his world is that he believes 4 inches is actually 7 inches!

I wonder what he thinks about Barnum and Bailey doing his "unique" Rainbow Show. They did a really good job too!

Methinks I am in quite the mood today!


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:Ya gotta admit, the rainbow dancing shots are lovely to look at!
I don't want to share my reaction to reading his site though, without having first making sure it's not a send-up...?
i mean, like the 'lord of the blings' websites and such. I dunno, has anyone met this dude? The site state that he's been in ozland - and yes perhaps he's also a HoP'er too.
yes, me am lost.


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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom

Total posts: 2523
Posted:bender in the photos.
you can't see the belly in that full body lycra

but I'm amazed You dont know who robert heart is:
he's the man who "first introduced fire staff to Australia".

now go check the sountrack on the burning man ember devils promo video. and tell me what kind of performace that was???



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Antti_Everything
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Antti_Everything

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Location: Jrvenp, Finland

Total posts: 446
Posted:quote:Originally posted by Glss:
burning man ember devils promo videoI don't have my soundcard working so i didn't get any sound and i'm not gonna even start guessing about what the h... is going on in that 'promo' video........!!!!!?????? Any ideas?


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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:great one glass, now ima *really* confoozed. is the ember devils footage of a naturally ocurring penomenon or a really sweet fire performance?! the sound itself does sound like what i would if i were to witness a UFO landing.

as for the 'dude who first introduced firetwirling to ozland', who knows, I don't believe anyone is contesting him for the title.

Perhaps he's a real helpful fellah and could substantiate some of the (admittedly grandiose) claims on his site.
..remembering that we are a supportive online community


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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:The "stunning" images are produced using an amazing combination of all eight planes at once.

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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

Total posts: 3149
Posted:My favourite bit is: "I present an image to the audience of a bird of butterfly with giant rainbow wings that flutter in geometric patterns, (like off of a computer screen)"

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Antti_Everything
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Antti_Everything

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Location: Jrvenp, Finland

Total posts: 446
Posted:I heard about dear Robert for the first time yesterday and right away this morning i got this letter from my friend in Denmark...

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i met a guy last night who was doing double staff throws better than you. if
it's any consolation his spinning was poor, his taste in clothes was
terrible and his personality was extremely irritating! i met him in the
sauna, he seemed a bit foward, he made comments like. i'm a fire dancer, i
basically started the whole thing 18 years ago... he also claimed to have
invented the idea of doing throws and switching hands. when i said i knew a
guy in finland who had independently came upon the idea, he first said you
probably went to a workshop he gav ein rotterdam two years ago. when i
discounted that as well, he told me about the hundred monkey theory.

when one monkey on one island starts washing a potatoe all the other hundred
monkeys start washing their potatoes as well. even though there is no way
for them to communicate. so basically you were able to tap into the cosmic
consiousness which unites us all, man and monkey, and steal the idea which
he invented. the idea of throwing one staff from one hand, switching hands
and cathing it with the other hand! that's a helluvalot easier than just
going to the park in barcelona and hiding in the bushes! [which we did ed. note]

his name is robert hart and he's from the USA. he's also travelling to kiev
to try to put together a staff troupe and even tried to get me to join him,
(although he never even saw me perform) i thought perhaps you would like to
be informed of his existence.
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strange....


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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom

Total posts: 2523
Posted:bender, your right this is a very supportive community.

I think, until you have the "experience" of meeting him, You wont appreciate the restrain shown in this thread by:
cass, dom, nyc, ninja, bongo, tepooka kids, me and anyone else who was there

He was rude on a personal level to many individuals at the convention, including the sound /light techs for the open stage show.

A man who can make cass spit fire has a great "talent" indeed.

and there are too many choice quotes:
/quote while teaching a workshop:

"I know a man, who can spin this move, Sooo faaast.
Soooo fast.
This man can spin this move SOOO FAAAST,
he can spin it SOOOO FAAASST,
he can spin it ALMOST as FAST as ME."
/end quote

He is not a HOP kind of person.
Drew


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Pyrolific
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

Total posts: 3289
Posted:DAMN! Id have loved to have met this guy!

20 years spinning? I wonder how good he is...I met a guy named Steve a couple of nights ago here in Amsterdam who has been spinning 6 (Another Aussie guy funnily enough) who was mindblowing...doing 4 sticks at once and all.

20 years this guy has been spinning...from the sounds of it hes been talking a lot and practicing a little.

Josh


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Help! My personality got stuck in this signature machine and I cant get it out!

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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:although estimates of his spinning time vary he has been heard to say

quote: after 22(or some stupidly huge number of years) I had a revelation, the staff doesn't always have to stay in your hand


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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:oh i c, drew!
seeing as i trust your judgement, and that i haven't met the dude, I'll have to contain my incredulity at this outsized personality.
I guess I am too used to the niceness of firey types, Not just on HoP but in general, so much so it makes my chest burst thinking about it(!)
So it's a pretty big thing for me to hear about a fwirler - *any* fwirler behaving like so to others.

I'm sad that youse guys had to put up with rudeness. The silver lining i guess is that Josh and I have a chance of missing out entirely on this particular experience.

may your fwirlage continue to spout oodles of happiness


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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:Every single person I've met since I've started spinning have been the lovliest happiest funniest people around. I hadn't met one spinner I didn't like. It's a shock to see how someone can be part of the community for allegedly 17 years and not pick up at least a little of the happy spirit that seems to go float around like some kind of happy cloud.
At the convention every about every two days we'd sit back and remember that it's not good to take the piss out of anyone too much and that maybe he's just overcompensating for something, then the heart would speak and all the rage would come back.
after reading cass's last robert heart story I've been pushed over the edge the man has no respect for people, crew, other performers, or anything.


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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:*sits back watching all this with a very bemused look on his face*


Unfortunately...I have met several people like this. This guy sounds like their king.

I really think he could be liable for false advertising and fraud if he uses the 'credentials' on his site to get business.

Oh yeah, and his video is showing us the first 150 staff moves?

hmmm, 150 staff moves.... say one minute to explain the first 50...

2 minutes to explain the second, hard 50...

and say, 3 minutes to explain the last (very hard) 50 moves.

um...deee beee dopo, that means 300 minutes..

300 divided by 60 = 5!

5 hours on one video tape! Gee, the quality is going to be really crap if you can only watch it in Long Play...


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bluecat


bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted:Post deleted by mrowl

Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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DsAds


Poi? Never!
Location: London

Total posts: 316
Posted:WOW, I gotta meet this guy!!!

.............Just so i can point and Laugh (nasty?.. maybe, but fun!)

One of these to you guys that experienced this obviously traumatising encounter.

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Is that magnets!?

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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 15414
Posted:can we get together a fund to fly him over to spitz one day?

oh please can we? please!


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Ali-bird

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Location: London

Total posts: 102
Posted:

Thank you Ninja for telling me to go see this site!

That rainbow thing looks cool, but IMHO Feeding the Fish do a far cooler job of dark performance.


Why is it that everthing which is fun is illegal, immoral, or fattening?

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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:eventually the rage calms and the only thing left to do is to giggle at his antics. Ocassionaly pity enters your mind but then a stary gust of wind will bring a bit of his speech to your ears and the cycle starts anew

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Charles
BRONZE Member since Jun 2001

Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Total posts: 3989
Posted:quote: can we get together a fund to fly him over to spitz one day? surely it would cheaper just to put him on a spit?

<oops did i say that? Naughty moderator! <<slaps his hand>> >


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Well, when no one else tells you it's long enough and good enough, don't you HAVE to find a way to compensate?

*silently hoping that the fact that he is a US-er does not reflect on the US community at an international level *

And, I wonder what he thinks about all the Martial Artists and Polynesian Knife spinners who have been doing such things for CENTURIES...hmmmmmmmmmmm....

[ 19. August 2003, 16:46: Message edited by: Pele ]


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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fireninja


fireninja

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Location: Portland, Oregon, USA

Total posts: 34
Posted:I met Mr. Heart on the beach in Seattle at a community burn three or four years ago.

He has some solid skills, no doubt, but his attitude is awful -- as far as I could tell he alienated basically the whole Seattle fire community in about an hour.

Among those who have met him he has served as an example of what kind of performer they aspire not to be. I know certain rather excellent performers whose development has been spurred by their loathing of him.

I make efforts not to abuse anyone, especially in an open online forum, but I also like to tell things as I see them.

-david
www.fireninja.com


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TheApprovingNinja


TheApprovingNinja

From the Ashes of a Ninja Rise THE HIPS OF RAGE
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 371
Posted:unfortunately his skills consist of spining fast without any control which is good for people who don't know how to spin but to go around claiming you're the best in the world at a convetion full of other spinners with that kind of "skill" level just isn't done.
and yes we are normally a very supportive community but the heart is a special case


p.s. nice name and that firewhip looks pretty bad ass fire ninja


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bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted:Post deleted by mrowl

Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted:Post deleted by mrowl

Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kin...

Total posts: 7330
Posted:
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bluecat - the heart's celtic dance show has "Staff juggling and twirling at speeds in excess of 100 M.P.H."

it sounds terribly dangerous and stupendously astounding - but surely no-one would use anything but a safety-guaranteed spinbo for something that crazy...?

"I've come to one conclusion about people everywhere. They're not stupid ... I have wonderful things to offer. They believe this and are anxious to reward me. You will too."

cheeky bastard!


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

Total posts: 3149
Posted:
OK that last quote is too funny.
Are you sure he's not just pretending? That his persona isn't actually an elaborate piece of performance art\comedy?


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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