Terminology question - antispin vs ?????

So, in talking to Ima, we have come accross an interesting impasse...

what do you call the opposite of 'antispin' - i.e. where the poi make extra circles spinning in the same direction as your arm is spinning?

I call it 'with spin', in france they have started calling it 'inspin' (a shortening of 'spin spin'), 'superspin' is already in use for something else but would be probably the nicest word for it...

it seems it would be useful to have a generic name for it, to avoid confusion - mostly on the international scene, as it's nice to be able to go somewhere/talk on the internet/view videos with a minimum of difficulty.

so, what'll it be?

Margaret

Smirnoff?

Inspin.

isn't that a flower?
or were you talking about antispins with more than one beat?

Spin. Never heard it called anything else actually

i might have started calling it spinspin or inspin, had the version of pich's workshop i saw not been in french.. all i heard was 'frenchfrenchfrench antispin. frenchfrenchfrench spinspin.'

anti-spin and isolation for 1:1 patterns (and these don't entirely apply to situations where you start the staff perpendicular to your arm.)

against-spin and with-spin for 2:1 and higner flowers?

anti-spin is a name that relates to a relationship between the arm and the staff. spin spin is just naming what each part is doing.

We probably call it "rockout" in Japan.
I'm not sure where this word originated from,
but that's what it says in Yuta's website.

I think it comes from 'lock-out' which implies stopping your arms in long arm to make circles....

most people have chosen 'spin' so far. I ask you this however:

if someone asks...
'Rob, do an antispin move' I immediately understand what is meant.
if they say
'Rob, do a spin move', It makes little or no sense without explanation.....

....?


meg, go back and try again. -1

Rob, do a spin flower.

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Relates more to poi than staffy staff staff.

I think we should have a poll like this in every spinning forum, cause you can't vote on most forum you're not member of.
I did one on BCC for the french, and I asked Meel to do it on the russian forum.
Shion, can you do it for the japanese please? I never heard about "rockout" before

this is what we get in France so far :
http://www.burncrewconcept.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11040


I agree with "with spin" and "spin spin" in theory, but as a frenchie, that's quite long and difficult to pronounce (WIZ ZE FREYNCHE ACCENTE) for a word that some of us will use everyday.
"Superspin" sounds way more international.
"Inspin" is short and easy (it's my favourite after all )

We also could have say "opposite spins" / "same spins"
that makes sens, but, it's too long to say, and we can't replace the word "antispin" cause everybody uses and loves it for years.

Does anybody knows how Nick names it in his "Scales of Poi" DVD ?

I asked Olive yesterday also, and his answer was "Spin", then after a short talk we realised we can't really use it cause "Spin" is too generic in spinning, so I totally agree with Bluecat:
you need to use the word you chose in a natural spinning context before you vote.

funny, I've heard "inspin" so many times but I never questioned its origins

so far I thought it derived from "in spin"(ning direction)
wow maybe that doesn't make any sense at all but that's just what my subconcious made up when coming across that apparently filthy and yukky French word

inspin just sounds too much like an inverted plane move to me..

logic (on the basis of latin prefixes) tells me that the opposite of antispin should be prospin, but with spin works as well

we could always call it something crazy like 'HURRICANE' (tm);)

'do a long arm HURRICANE (tm) move' would sound so much more impressive

HURRICANE? nice one - I like it

I've just been calling it normal spin for a while now. Not sure where it came from or whether I made it up. Seemed logical to me. I agree with Guy, 'inspin' sounds like something to do with inversions, hmmm...

I knoow...
It definitely sounds like a family of tricks spinning between arms or something... I guess french like it cause they fell the tool spinning "inside" the arm circle and "in direction" of its centre. whereas the antispin feels more like the tool wants to get as far as possible from it.

Huricane is fun but it doesn't sounds that much international i'd say..
and it would be logical to have a "prefix" then "spin" at the end.

I kinna like "Pro-spin" actually thank you angel !
who's up for this one?

In Russia sometimes it name "Simple flower", but more often "spin flower"

the opposite of 'anti' is 'pro'. I agrees with Guy too.

Pro-spin makes the best sense to me. And all languages can pronounce that mo'fo'.

on principal, im agreeing with angel, ima and ed, 'pro-spin' does make the most sense.. however.. im not sure if a technically defined difference will catch on to people already set in their ways..

but it is good to have well defined stuff.. less confusing and all

I spent some time with Dreamer spin emulator and find out that you can't do a "Spin Spin" / "Inspin" / "ProSpin" (whatever) without drawing a flower.

Then, if we admit the fact that "ProSpin" sounds very ugly (at least in french language) and if we consider what Mother Nature Son and Meel say, we got a very nice "Spin Flower" or "FlowerSpin" to add to our list

What about Russian and Japanese Polls ??

I've always called it in-spin,
since the circles created are within a larger circle.

but i really like the idea of "pro-spin"

>Ima, Blucat
Sorry, my spelling mistake.
I meant "lock out".
Definition of lock-out is "small circle within big circle in same direction"
So this is different with lock-out we are talking about?
I always thougt (antispin <=>lockout) two opposite words.

>ima
If the move we'r talking is different with lock-out, then I will ask for vote in japanese forum too for sure!

>Exuro : I'm glad i'm not the only one using this naturaly, where are you from?

>Shion, haha i should have guess! japanese R/L are so similar
I think we're talking about the same kind of move, so that mean most japanese spinners use "Lock-out" naturally... do they?

Russian vote is on its way (thx Meel!)

I'll let you search what works the best on google and youtube
I founded that "flowers" are the most common, used as :
Spin Flower / Anispin Flower

With long exposure, there is almost always flowers as soon as you engage a movement with 2 rotations (tool/arm) same direction and opposite direction.
About staff, in our length proportion (tool/arm), I founded only 2 distinctive Stars (5 points and 6 points), a cross (4), and a triangle (3) everything else is just flowers, unless you're using a short stick.

yeah, that fits - we used to call them that here too, but it disappeared over time....

Hyperspin.

actually, a 'lockout' by definition used to mean stopping the arm (i.e. 'locking' it in position) to make a circle within a bigger circle. It's interesting in japan that that has widened to mean any smal circles within a larger circle travelling in the same direction.

I used to call it anti spin and spin but I'm definitely changing to antispin and rocking out!!!

Quality

imakokode: I'm from the midwest; minnesota usa.
most people here call it a "regular flower"
but i don't think those words properly convey the concept of what is being done.

--Ex

I've always called it "spin spin", sounds logical...
I also agree with the idea of finding a common word to speak of it so I'll start using the one we'll pick after the discution.

After having read all this, I like the "prospin" idea.

The only term I am totally against is "spin". We are trying to put words on precise concepts, and "spin" is waaay too general.
Why not call it "movement" while we're at it..

To me it actually involves only one rotation.

1 circle --> spin
2 opposite circle --> antispin
2 circles in the same direction --> prospin?