The Poi "I just learned a new advanced move / combo" thread

You sure they arent line isolations? I'd played with line isolations in such patterns before.

A line isolation is an extended cateye movement. They end up looking and feeling a lot like floats rather than cateye movements, looking more or less like them depending on the line travelled.

I like to call it linear extension. The anti spin builds up good momentum to keep it going as long as you keep your arm timed with the poi properly

I thought it was a linear head isolation.

theoretically your aiming for linear isolation but in practice it's more like a stretched out antispin, if you smooth it out enough so that the lines are 'float' like as much as possible then it's pretty much as good as you gonna get as you still need to make a tiny loop at each tip to change direction. You can to point to point isolation with a flick of the wrist but I'm not a fan cos the movement is jerky...

Figured out a bunch of flower stalls/transitions/frills, and the stall/poi swap Exuro does in one of his YouTube videos. Can just about twirl in a triquetra, too.

Been playing with same time isolation/extention hybrid. Saw Ugo doing a kinda windmill with the hybrid, and it looked pretty

Many different advanced stalls ^^

Just starting to get Hybrid stall out of CAP (hands together)

Got half throws and no-extra-beat throws, and air wrap wrist bumps. Starting to get same direction split time UTL walk. More flower stalls/plane changes.

Started playing with different wall plane flowers that are only kinda different then the common ones. But using linear extension twice and then big arm extension to switch back to the beginning.

What's really fun is grabbing the poi from a linear isolation

No, what's *really* fun is crazifying your planes from a linear isolation. Nobody sees that one coming. Unless you're Insignia, in which case it's kind of your "thing"...

Heheh.

Plane-twisting stuff is cool.

Sister: Do not forget to try get some footage of the Seattle crowd doing odd stuff you say you have not seen online now you all have summer on the way. You sort of promised some a while back.

Well, about that... I hadn't heard of Alien Jon or Zan when I wrote that post...

Still would be nice to see....

*offers whipped cream with a cherry on top*

Yeah, I think Ian's antispin flowers are worthy of note by themselves; instead of curvy petals he manages four point isolations. Still trying to figure that one out for obvious reasons.

I finally cradled my lit fire poi I held them for about 1 second and the part of my hand not touching the fire poi felt a burn and I threw them back into a spin. It was amazing! Also because I'm desperate to save about $45. Does anyone know where I can buy 10mm(3/8") wide by 3mm(1/8") thick Kevlar tape? I've searched through so many pages of Google and can't find anywhere

My new combo of love: same direction split time in wall plane, no-extra-beat throws into up/down stalls, pull into an air wrap. Still getting my planes right for the air wrap, but when I pull it off it's magic.

Started exploring how floats integrate with 1.5 hybrids. This is why I love tech poi, every time I think I completely grasp a set framework for a certain combination of moves there comes another element that I have to incorporate into the framework and so I'm never quite finished.

trying to get my antispin points so that i can plane change from any position into wall, horizontal or wheel plane antispin. Really taking inspiration from G's spinning.

Also another favourite i'm getting close to nailing is an inspin throw mid antispin flower, catch and continue antispin.

Poifull! I may be able to help you on the plane change front.

This be my tutorial on youtubes for plane changes.
Basic Plane Changes Tutorial
Take a look at the first part especially.

I mention that stalls can move in the same direction as well as in the opposite direction. If you were to stall at the four corners (north, south, east, west) moving in an anticlockwise direction, while your poi travels in a clockwise direction it will be a 4 petal antispin flower, point isolated.

This makes a box, but in order to plane change, you only really need to focus on point isolating one point.



You can change direction in the middle point as well!



As you can with halfway along the points of that square, because you can really do it anywhere, theoretically.

Silly variations on the weave; four beat weave, three beat weave with two beats on the same side and one opposite. Haven't found a use for them besides making weird fountains, but they're still fun to find.

EDIT: I'm trying to get to sleep, but I just realized that this reversed beat structure 3bt weave, when done forward, is actually a reverse three beat weave flipped upside down. In fact you could follow it through the flipping process if you do a reverse 3bt, carry it over your head into a three beat windmill, and then carry it all the way over to the other side. Which makes it much weirder than I thought.-- FURTHER EDIT: Um, I just realized a few things related to this that may be the substance of my first tech blog. Yay! I have something that merits a tech blog, I think!

Got the split-same > Crosser > windmill transition thing that confused the hell out of me the first time I saw it. It's funny, because I guessed it was what I just described, decided it couldn't possibly be that because it was too weird, and then finally decided to try it anyway

Funny how sometimes it's the simple stuff that can twist your brain the most...

God knows what it is...

Got utl 1.5s, butterfly weave fountain, some utl throws of various sorts, shoulder catches, staggered back and forth half-flip/bicep wrap thingy (needs a bit of cleaning up), can toss in a wibble in the middle of spinning.

Working on the hybrid crosser extension, but kinda stumped; don't know how many petals to go for at my poi length, all of them feel wrong.

Learned the visually uninteresting and theoretically contentious 0 beat, one petal antispin.

Also starting to get the hang of dodging daggers and a couple of nifty looking soft transitions.

1 beat antispin is called a cateye and has 1 petal. ^_^ 0 beats?

Cat-eyes have two petals (I don't know how this one petal thing gets started when there's an extremely simple mathematical relationship of beats to petals for flowers where the hand revolution to poi revolution ratio is 1:n, and cat-eyes being one petal would violate this rule pretty blatantly). That is, relative to a line drawn from the center of the unit circle (or whatever circle your hand is tracing) to your hand (we'll call this the "hand radius"), the poi makes two revolutions per revolution of the hand, which is the property that petal number tracks. So the thing I "figured out" (really took me all of like two seconds when I thought of it) has one revolution relative to the hand radius per revolution of the hand.

Really petals mathematically for antispin are petals = 1 + #spins poi makes in a circle.

Visually, they start with the triquetra. So it may be safe to say that the equation discerning petals has a domain that saying #spins is x that x must be greater than 1.

As for what I've learned recently... Umm don't make me list. For some general ideas, working some on orbital somersault, some utl buzzsaw type stuff, gaining better control of plane changing and some atomics, TRYING to get my split-time same direction antispin flower turns clean, but failing. Also I got my Butterfly antispin flower turns pretty good, and I've gotten a lot better at changing directions with hybrids.

I think they start visually wherever you see petals, and for me that's a cat-eye. But I would like to note that visually you can make antispin petals disappear even at poi revolutions above 1 by moving your arm in a large enough circle or at the right speeds to get point isolations instead of loops (or by making loops too small for them to make a visual impression). So it's not even the arm cycle to poi cycle ratio that generates the loops above 1 beat, but that ratio in addition to the ratio of the hand radius to poi length. But I think the point isolated flower has more in common with the loopy kind than it has different--namely, the revolutions relative to hand radius and relative direction of arm circle vs. poi circle--so I prefer not to identify petal number by loops (especially not by visible loops, which may not even be visible to non-spinners if you use certain kinds of poi), but by the property responsible for the loops.