Spiral wrap with kerosene?

Is it safe for me to do a spiral wrap with K-1 kerosene without a kevlar sheath covering the metal parts at the end, I'm more concerned with doing one while whirling and do it above my head.

I wear gloves for spirals, and even then I get burnt occasionally (less than I would without them, but still), the gloves I use are made of some synthetic fabric blend, which melts, which means if I get tangled up, I'm screwed.

A kevlar sheath and good technique should keep you safe, it's a good way of getting rid of any arm hair

Hi everyone)
we do spirals (kevlar moonblaze + cerosine) without any glowes.
Yes, after it hands are black, but nothing seriuos happend.
Also Tomas shows in one vid his gear. There was long gloves with cut fingers, but it was made from syntetics, and he advised to pull these gloves on hands into hot water (as now do i =) ).

I never use gloves or a sheath. Just my hands and normal hardware. My hands do get blackened up, and i get very small minor burns on my hands sometimes, but other then that its all good. I'd just make sure you are 100% confortable with spiral wraps and you'll be ok.

I just realized after my first burn, there is no way I could do that anytime soon... way to scary

just to clear this up - it will never be 'safe' tp do a spiral wrap with poi (unless you're wearing welding gloves) but there is a lot you can do to minimise risks
1) practise
2) ensure you are familiar with the poi you are using
3) practise
4) don't hold the poi still for long periods of time (the chain heats up) this has got me a couple of times
5) make sure the person before you wasn't holding the poi still for long periods of time
6)practise
7) use protection - sheaths, gloves, whatever
8)practise

Of course when I mean not dangerous, I mean relative to everything else I am doing, which is quite dangerous XD

Those long gloves he uses are actually toe socks with the ends cut off.

Man, Am i just to careless, or is everyone just a little over protective about spinning fire.... Welding gloves with spiral wraps? I mean I've caught each poi head in my bare hands and threw them into a spin the other way with out getting a serious burn. Like i said before...just be 100% confortable with what you are doing before you try it with fire.

you are right!
Derek_Faughn, look at http://www.firemecca.com/p-556-kevlar-r-sleeves.aspx

??? Fingerless gloves I do believe they are called.

You can never be over cautious with fire. EVER.

Enjoy your inevitable burns.

Kerosene is a highly flammable, nearly explosive substance. I definitely prefer paraffin because it has a super low temp ignition point, burns predictably and doesn't ruin your kevlar. Wouldn't you prefer this safer fuel to kerosene? I've done wraps oogles of times with paraffin with no burns

Kerosene and paraffin are generally the same fuel, though in some countries the names may be used for different things.
The last lot I bought had both names written on it..

Sorry

I do 'em bare handed all the time. hot metal burns are inevitable though, they're usually not serious but they may limit your desire to do more of them on that same evening.

I usually burn myself on the tops of my index fingers but I have had a few SWs go wrong and ended up with the hot metal bits between my fingers. The key is not to panic, minor burns are all part of the game really.

Another vote for gloveless spirals with no kevlar sheath on the chain. The moment of contact with anything hot is so short that getting burnt is unlikely, though tiny little burns are inevitable, I guess. I always do them fairly early in a burn as the metal parts won't have heated up too badly, and I use monkey fists, so there aren't any screws or anything on the wick itself. I'm often tempted to wear gloves just to stop my hands getting quite so sooty, but I'd say with adequate technique anything but the most minor of minor burns is unlikely.

Same. I tend not to wrap much any more because of the soot rather than a safety aspect.

You will get hot metal burns at some point, but they should be minimal and not serious.

This assumes that you know what you are doing.

Those are nice. And i might invest in some so i can grab my poi head for a longer time, but i still dont think they are a must for spiral wraps.

Wow, today I was taking pictures for Facebook, and I hit myself i n the arm, everyone gasped, but to my amazement, noting happened, other than a little soot, nothing... I have now went up like 20 steps in my trust of fire. I think next time I might just go ahead and do a spiral wrap

Well, the heads are actually much less likely to burn you than the hardware they hang from. The common wick for fire toys is also commonly used to insulate blast furnaces, so it doesn't get all that hot, relatively speaking. I'd be fine catching my poi by their heads, but I would not want to grab the swivels after a minute of burning...

Which is odd because right after I'm done It is fine for me to touch them and they're just a little warm. But I'll just assume it's because it's freezing outside.

Metals typically have a pretty low specific heat, which means with a heat source nearby it gets real hot fast, and when the heat source goes, it cools off pretty quick.

We all love spirals but they do come with a cost to pay if you don´t do it with presence and care. Take a look in the gallery and there is a new photo uploaded of a beautiful slug/blister from a spiralwarap I did the other day

EWWW! I saw that! I've gotten blisters like that before, but not that big. That was massive!

i've only done over the head spiral-wraps with fire. My chains are a bit longer than i'd like, so getting into a wallplane spiral-wrap is sorta sketchy as of now.

Anyways, definitely prepare to lose some arm hair to your fire poi once you start playing with the spiral wraps. I'm probably gonna make a set of denim arm sheaths pretty soon though.

Yikes! I've never gotten one like that before and I do a lot of handwraps.

The time will come for each and everyone of us
Uploaded another photo which is more dirty and simply more nasty but it´s a nice reminder for all of us to not getting to carried away with the fire when spinning, we are not immortal even though we are able to do spirals wraps blindfolded while walking on a slack line over Grand Canyon, accidents happens
Live & learn....

One more thing - dipping gloves in water and then using them as protection has 2 results:

good - the gloves won't catch fire so easily
bad - you run the risk of steam burns by heating up the water in the material

i read the thread title as "spinal wrap with kerosene"

Spinal tap with kerosene?

Oh god I don't want to picture that as I am terrified by the sight of needles.

The fire's in your blood dude....

Awww, how'd ya know?

Well, if you have kerosene coming out of a spinal tap, it must be.

That just makes me think, what would the doctors say if they really did pull kerosene out of your spine?

which language do the hypothetical doctors speak?

Either English or German

english: !!!

german: FICKEN!!!

Haha, it might be a bit more vulgar than that

yea well my german is sketchy right now. been away far too long.

Excuses excuses excuses

ITS TRUE!
ive been out of german class for a week and i havent visited in god knows how long.

I've been out for a while because we are in trimesters and german is split to 1st and 3rd.

weird. lame. well ich liebe deutschland!

Ich vermisse Deutschland!

bist du aus deutschland?

Nein, aber ich habe jeweils aus Deutchland gewohnt.

Ich muss werklich meine Deutsch meer ueben. Nicht genug mensche hier was es reden kann.

Hmm, apparently (I'll do this word for word for you, because it's more funny that way), "You must *gibberish* your(wrong gender) German ocean practice. Not enough men here what is speak can." Actually the second part was pretty close, but the first sentence made me laugh

Meh. Probably Afrikaans interfering again.

And translating word for word is pointless anyway.

It's so you can see which words you got wrong

meh oh well. lol. hes not dogging on you just pointing out.

but back to topic on hand. Im just gonna go for spirals with out sleeves

Yeah, as for me, I'm going to use some of my Christmas money to get those Kevlar sleeves. One, I'd feel safer and two, I think they look cool

lol. i just used my christmas money on the pro series chains with the cathedral heads. also got some head covers. im excited.

That's the same set I got! Except I don't have head covers. I'm not made of money you know Maybe some other time I'll get them. What size do the cathedrals use? Also, invest in a Zippo, you'll thank yourself later if you're using Kerosene.

i have a fire pit instead xD and i use the cathedrals that come with it. its the like $72 set. regular cathedral. And i got the head covers because it adds the realistic weight and drag of fire (mwahahahahahaha)

one problem. WHERE AND WHAT DEPARTMENT OF A STORE DO I GET KEROSENE!!! WALMART (THAT I KNOW OF) DOESN'T HAVE IT!!!

I get it at a meijer gas station, you can buy a blue gas can. Where I am, they are 5 gallons, not sure if that's standard. But legally, you have to buy it in the blue gas can and when I got it it was $2.6666 per gallon. Idk why all the 6's but yes there was 4 or 6 6's. And you don't get it inside of the store, it will have a separate pump outside somewhere around the gas pumps.

YOU HAVE A KEROSENE PUMP?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

wtf.

Is a liquid fuel.

Over here it is referred to as illuminating paraffin.

Would it be better:
"Hier kann nicht genug mensche reden"?

Aber, ja, ich kann auch ein bisschen Deutsche sprachen, aber mein Lesen besser ist. Ich habe dich versteht.


I once got loads of paraffin, on tap from a barrel, from a hardware store.
Was awesome.

What is? Kerosene?
Foot: By paraffin, do you mean Kerosene or white gas? I get confused with the word paraffin, don't really know what it is.
Forrest: Yes I do have a kerosene pump, never noticed it before, but as far as I know it's the only one close to me. It's at a Meijer gas station. And you should be able to get it anywhere that sells kerosene heaters.

SoD

Paraffin and kerosene are the same thing.

Paraffin is what they call kerosene in those countries where they drive on the wrong side of the road.

Neither kerosene nor paraffin should be confused with white gas, they're two separate amimals. White gas requires more attention to detail than kerosene/paraffin and has been known to go BOOM! if the vapours end up in the wrong place.

Lamp oil is just a very expensive way of buying kerosene.

Then there's all that weird stuff the Australians use. AFIK Shellite is similar to white gas ans D60 is some sort of solvent that resembles kerosene. Don't discuss fuels with Australians, it only leads to madness.

OK, I really know the difference between white gas and kerosene, I just had no clue what paraffin was.
But still, what in hell is illuminating paraffin?

white gas burns hotter yet has no smoke. its better for indoors.

kerosene is better for spinning... period. everyone told me to use white gas but im like no [censored] that i dont want a higher chance of getting burnt (btw one of the pains i hate burns is top 2 along with electrocuted idky i love fire poi though ill trained with burns) get

Lol, I know the difference, I want to know what "Illuminating Paraffin" is. I'd say some of my top pains would be electrocution, anything that pierces my skin (needles, stabby things, and burns aren't too bad I guess. I've never broken a bone so I can't say on that.

how do you do your fuel? soak? or what?

madness!!! calling a liquid a gas is whats mad!

Its lamp oil.
It's bascially the same stuff as paraffin, but with a few extra additives for a brighter light, less smell and so on.

I'd still prefer standard paraffin though.

I soak my cathedrals in just enought kerosene to submerge the wick completely and let it sit for a few minutes and I get nice really long burns. My last one was about 6:30 I think And by a few minutes, usually 3-5 minutes (however long it takes to get everything else set up and stuff) I always make sure it's a long soak because I like my burns to be long.

Yeah. Although illuminating is quite common in some of the more outlying parts of SA. Is not that different though.

do you dab or spin off.

I let it drip until it stops pouring it out like it normally does for first like 10 seconds at most and then I give it 1 or 2 hard spins
Btw I got my Kevlar sleeves in the mail

niccceeee. i ordered my new set yesterday (i messed up on the ordering process i did a week ago)

but apparently it will come in on the 21st. i kinda doubt that. HoP is REALLY fast with shipping.

My stuff usually gets her about a week faster than they say it will, actually every order I've made has taken 2 weeks. What set are you getting?

pro series SINGLE loop. i hate double loop.
cathedral heads

Lol, I actually haver the same thing but with double loops, I'm kinda thinkin next pair I get I want single loops, but next pair I want is Isis Poi, not sure if that somes in single

i would like the isis poi EXCEPT for the chains. it looks... flimsy.

Out of curiosity, why the preference for single? Most of the folks I spin with can't stand 'em, and it's a gear option I haven't used much before.

Yea i am not a big fan of my single loops at all. They feel sort of awkward, and doing any spiral wraps with them can get messy real easy.

I was thinking of making some ball-handles but since i've got the pro-series chain, i'd have to cut the loops off the swivels and quicklink the ball handles onto them. Does anyone think that is a bad idea?

Hmm, you could possibly bend the loop on the ball a little and squeeze the swivel in ther and clamp it back shut. Not sure if it would work, but it could be worth a try. As for the quicklink, I'm not quite sure how well or "unwell" it would work, but it could always be your little experiment, if it doesn't work, you could just cut the sewing on the loop and if you really don't like the ball handle with the link, you could sew the handle back on.

the single loop has such versatility... you can use a single loop as a double... or in 5 other ways. it also makes it easier for me to shorten my poi like as seen in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6JaAhyhqfY&feature=player_embedded#

my type of grip isn't shown but its liek a modefied key-grip lock.

It's preference. I just really like single loop.

Hey, anyone have tips to actually push myself into doing a wrap with fire. I can do them every time, I have kevlar sleeves, I just can't seem to push myself.

I'll probably do some daytime burns today to try and overcome it, but as usual for now, I'll think about it and be sure I will do it, but when the fire is lit, it's just near impossible to do it.

It's like diving offa a high board, just have to get past that hesitation once or twice and it becomes easy, at least that's how I believe it will go as most things do.

I also think it will help me do other things if I can get past it. So any tips on pushing yourself into doing things with fire please let me know.

Because I'm sure that the actual most difficult thing about fire is getting past that mental block telling you NO DON'T DO IT!

first off im a diver so a high dive is fun for me...

its simple to put it...

whats the worst thats gonna happen?

wait until your wicks are burnt down towards the end of your spin: there's less fire so it's not quite as scary

also, you could try doing individual wraps to get accustomed to the idea before going for the full spiral wrap

That's a good idea with the waiting till near the end.

High dive is fun for me too, I just remembered that first time, it took me like half an hour to get off and like 20 people were cheering me on to jump, they saw I was just standing there looking out and they all stopped and got me to finally do it.

But I unfortunately do not have that sort of time with fire lol.

For some reason too, I can do the silly walk after learning it 2 days ago and I still can't do a spiral with fire

I figured it would be easier to do a spiral than having a flaming ball pass next to my crotch repeatedly, but nope.

kerosene- i get t at home depot, errr kerosene alternative called klean heat. I would use thin gloves though if you don't want to burn your hands up

I have Kevlar sleeves as you may or may not have read above.

Definately helps me do a lot of things close to my arms while keeping my hair.

QUICK I NEED HELP!
i have a bottle of " tiki torch fuel with 'citroMAX' Citronella"

is this safe or what?

Crap, I've hears something about that but I can't remember what it was.

Sorry

i read a couple threads on here that dont say anything bad about it. it actually has a longer life than kero...

it also has a lot higher flashpoint...

just smells funky.

I bet it's more expensive too

If it has a longer life, it would be good for special shows where you plan a long performance

I also learned burn time is highly affected by moved that quickly change the momentum of the poi heads (orbitals, wraps, but mostly orbitals) because it sprays fuel off I saw it for the first time yesterday when someone saw my pants were getting wet, so I thought a little did another orbital and saw fuel coming off. I personally thought it was awesome and saw that I should never do one with lighter fluid

At a guess, I'd say this was some kind of fuel that gives of a lemony smelling smoke?

Thats a guess mind you. But let me google that for you.

I found a PDF on the MSDS on a Gardening store website (direct link to the PDF is here. I haven't read the PDF 'cos Adobe PDF Reader and I hate each other. (You'll need that program in order to read the MSDS details [MSDS information can be found here. You can use information there to determine whether your lemony fresh fuel is safe to spin with], although there is a faster, better alternative that can be found here).

Why don't you try creating a new post in the help section, so you can attract more attention and get more answers? Loads of people will probably be willing to help, its just posting in a random thread won't get much attention. Be Bold

-edit-

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Just read you already found your answer. All that googling for nothing.

i'm just going to add on here, I LOOOVE that picture

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/




I hate Acrobat too.

I made the switch and prefer it's grip versatility and easy release

Whoever suggested Citronella make sure you have no chance of an asthma attack if you try it, that stuff is know to trigger them! I found something really great to try next though have a look see...

http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(jcmnebvhz2p21t55ksonl345)/productDetails.aspx?SKU=998005823

surprisingly its EXTREMELY CHEEP!

it was $3.50 for a gallon. The only problem (like EoN said) is that if anyone is allergic to perfumes or is asmatic they are . it was a great first burn all in all. I did not do a spiral wrap with it this time but i did do wall flowers (which for me to do i had to shorten my poi a drastic amount. And another problem is that it takes FOREVER to light. like i had the single lit poi touching the other one for a decent amount of time and it did not light. At all. I had to hold it there for a while as shown.

here's the video if you wanna see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp1ndaq_5Jw

Yeah, thats the link I meant to use, rather than a second link to the MSDS info..

That was awesome. And btw that had same burn time as kerosene, and it's a little more expensive. Kerosene is about $2.70 per gallon. As for me I am asthmatic so it probably wouldn't be too good anyways.

ok. but it also gives it a brighter flame. lol. We all have preferences. lol.

You have a ton of hair man, looks like mine before I cut it.

Except mine was black, man I started to hate that hair

yea. its longer than my moms.

My mom has short hair, and I need a haircut, it's been a couple months

Also:
CONGRADULATIONS! YOU ARE THE 100TH REPLY

it has been a couple years for me. about one and a half maybe.

It really depends on the situation that you want to do wraps with your fire poi. Kerosene burns at a fairly low temperature, especially in comparison to alot of the different fuels that people use. Just last night at a photo shoot I did a few hand wraps and the chains weren't really even warm, though i was also in some pretty cold weather. It boils down to using good judgement when playing with fire, and knowing your equipment.

Finally did it Also did a continuous spiral, that got some good reactions

One of those reactions was from my sweetie in the form of a "WTF??" I can chain together spiral wraps, but not at that kind of speed. Good job!

Oh did you see my video already? I haven't even gotten to do annotations yet

Yup, I decided to see if it was on YouTube yet when you mentioned it over in Social Chat.

Yeah, I finally got it on Facebook after many failed attempts.