US Gun laws are "License to murder"

Yakumo, only in America

That would be a funny incident, if it wasn’t so true.




Hopefully, "these types" of people will get all the help they need when Obama nationalises health care in the United States.






News Flash: Trailer park murders: 7 dead, 2 wounded

Seven people have been found dead and two critically injured after a homicide in a trailer park in the south-eastern US state of Georgia, local police said. The coroner declined to specify whether the victims had been shot, adding the two wounded people were transported to a local hospital.

The killing at the New Hope trailer park, which is described on its website as a 250-acre site of pine trees and pecan groves, is the latest in a spate of mass killings in the United States.

In August, a Pennsylvania man embittered by what he described as constant rejection by women, walked into a gym and opened fire on a dance class, killing three women before turning the gun on himself. In a blog uncovered after the murders, he documented in chilling detail his plans to carry out the shooting, and even described him carrying out a trial run of the killings.

Earlier, in April, a spate of mass shootings horrified Americans.

On April 3, Jiverly Voong barricaded a civic centre in upstate New York, killing 13 people, most of them recent immigrants, before shooting himself.

Days later, a Washington state man shot and killed his five children, between the ages of seven and 16, then turned the gun on himself after his wife told him she was leaving him.

Then on April 7, a gunman shot dead his wife, daughter and two other people before killing himself in Greenhill, Alabama.

stone, a sydney man recently killed his wife daughter and three grand children, all without a gun.

i agree with you that tighter gun control would probably be a good idea, but simply mentioning mass killings that involved firearms doesnt make the argument.

Majestik, I just wondering if there is a cover up. Perhaps, even some admission that putting semi-automatic assault weapons in the hands of civilians might not have been the brightest thing to do seeing how often they are used in massacres.

In the early reports Heinze made a call to the emergency 911 line that led police to the New Hope mobile park Saturday morning where they found bodies of seven people and two others injured, reportedly the victims of a shooting. So whats happening?

Most of the media stories, including the ABC, ended their reports with links to previous gun massacres like the following: “The killing at the New Hope trailer park, is the latest in a spate of mass killings in the United States. In August, a Pennsylvania man embittered by what he described as constant rejection by women, walked into a gym and opened fire on a dance class, killing three women before turning the gun on himself. In an online blog uncovered after the murders, he documented in chilling detail his plans to carry out the shooting, and even described how he carried out a trial run of the killings. Earlier, in April, a spate of mass shootings horrified Americans. On April 3, Jiverly Voong barricaded a civic center in upstate New York, killing 13 people, most of them recent immigrants, before shooting himself. Days later, a Washington state a man shot and killed his five children, between the ages of seven and 16, then turned the gun on himself after his wife told him she was leaving him. Then on April 7, a gunman shot dead his wife, daughter and two other people before killing himself in Greenhill, Alabama.”

So the question remains, when is America going to take a stand and introduce legislation to reduce gun violence. As opposed to legislation that puts semi-automatic assault weapons into the hands of civilians?

tomorrow?

I'm not suspecting a cover up in this story, Stone. Time will tell the truth in this one.

Mr. M!!!! you, here!! The point in posting the massacres committed with firearms is to show people how many there are in such a short period of time. Obviously many are not aware of how much violent abuse of firearms there is.

People do kill (a number of) other people without guns - absolutely true statement. Only not remotely that frequently and in those large numbers as they do with firearms.

Personally I'm not saying that the devil lives in a gun, waiting to be unleashed. I'm saying that the US applies double standards when it comes to the protection of its citizens.

They require to write "objects are closer than they appear" in every rear mirror, but no warning about the misuse of a handgun to be found on them. They seem to consider most consumers as fools, but they fully trust them operating deadly weapons - it seems.

I understand when Lurch says:



My answer: because you take the job and receive (tax payers) money for it! Every single hour on duty YOU get paid!

You have a problem with people raising expectations for that reason, consider changing your profession FIRST! Because - IMHO - you accept this. Taking the $ and not doing your duty... well... could be considered "fraud".



I'm not fighting a fight, Lurch. I'm part of a (silent) majority that raises their voices - like it or not.

You do "have the right for safety"... how so? Who or what gives you this right? I don't understand. Because you're paying your government? Do you yourself not trust your life and health on firefighters and medics?

I only see a whole bunch of inconsistency in your argumentation guys... Maybe the same you see on ours, but

you really believe that you could make a stand against your own or the Russian military? *humms: dream on...*

dG and Lurch: Do you support that countries like North Korea or Iran should not have WoMD? Or would you rather accept that the same standards you request for yourself should apply for nations?

This video made me think of this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuuw8pT5ny0

not sure what was more scary.... the vid or the comment "...good to see that nothing has changed..."

thanks for posting, Groovy

ye ye the odd shootout update:

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Should be sufficient evidence to flatten the CCW argument...

Oh I knew this was going to pop up..

How does that possibly squash CCW? If anything it reinforces it. US Military bases that are stateside are pretty gun free. The only generally armed on base are the MP's (military police). That's not to say there aren't weapons, they just aren't supposed to pack them. Particularly because some people go nuts when they find out they're getting deployed.

It was a female cop that stopped this guy by shooting him. And you had a room full of trained soldiers who were all unarmed. The whole thing was over in 3 minutes.

I don't get why you prefer a cop arriving on scene minutes after the fact and dropping a suspect, to a civilian being able to at least have the chance to end it faster. Granted that doesn't apply much to a military base cause they're under orders not to carry. But the concept of this tragedy should carry over.

hmm - last time I checked the guards were carrying ... and then you get a looney who somehow (in an "arms free - military base" ) gets hold of a few handguns and starts shooting people... and they have to call the cops... (kind of ironic innit?) let's wait for that looney officer who goes on a spree in a police station and they (got to) wait for the army to move in...

You can see it from two sides - I guess - I for my part didn't expect you to change your opinion either...

for all the other questions you raised: we have been over this so many times that they got to be rhetorical

Another day in America, another gun massacre

US bases stateside aren't much different from a small town. Most people don't carry on base, and sometimes it's under orders. MP (guards) carry obviously, and in this case Fort Hoods policing was contracted out to Department of Defense civilian police, not military personnel.

Like I said up there, the whole thing was done and over with in 3 minutes, that's a fast response time for anywhere.

It's not like the UK doesn't have enough problems with its legal system.. they gave out 40,000 'cautions' last year instead of actually doing any policework

Lurch... would you do us a favor please?

Take a piece of wick and aim a bullet at it... would like to know whether that stuff is any good for it....

wrong kinda kevlar my friend I have a vest anyways..

Maybe I *will* shoot an old wick, you kinda have me curious anyways.. phone books work remarkably well

I would say the yellow pages also burn quite well - only they are too heavy to spin and it's a one time gig only

pls kep us posted - there'sa "Kevlar and the war" threat on SC

Whoever said the guards carry guns is semi-correct. A lot of weapons carried on base are not loaded. In fact most of them I am pretty sure have no rounds in them at all.

You're a little off doppel. Guards most definitely carry, and are definitely loaded. Anyone in a police position who carries an empty weapon is an idiot, and asking for trouble.

General troops, when they're loading up to go overseas are usually unloaded though yes. But there isn't a reason for them to be locked and loaded stateside, and it would add another 20+ pounds per man which adds up quickly when you're flying guys by the hundreds

Criminals will get guns whether you outlaw them or not. If you don't believe me look at the crime rates in Washington DC, where even off duty cops can't have guns yet gun crimes are through the roof.

Sometimes regulation is more effective than prohibition.

which is why I've always supported enforcing more completely the laws that are already in place but perhaps loosely enforced

In my experience, people who want to get rid of guns are that way because they fear guns. And there's the problem of gun bans vs. the constitution as well.

My brother has four rifles and a hand gun. He open carries the hand gun around town. We live in Michigan so open carrying a firearm is completely legal. And you know what? Basically no one gives a damn. The only people who freak out are the people who don't understand the local laws, and once they do they mellow the hell out.

Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work on alcohol, it isn't working on weed, it will never work on guns. The more you ban firearms the harder you're making it for law-abiding citizens, not criminals. If your logic worked Washington DC would be totally free of gun crimes but it's completely off the scale high.

The reality is, about 15K people a year die in gun related deaths in the United States. Know how many people die a year in auto accidents? Over 40K. Clearly, we must BAN ALL PRIVATELY OWNED CARS!

And while we're at it nearly a quarter million die a year from medical errors! BAN ALL DOCTORS!

Seriously. We can ramp this up real quick. You're more likely to be killed in a car accident or by your own doctor than a gun, two things which are a hell of a lot more regulated than guns if you think about it.